Topic: I'd like to ask for some help. (Read 8464 times)

I'm all for the decision made, but allow me play devil's advocate for a sec in case a similar thing happens in the future.

If I was scammed by Matthew, but was about to be paid due to being moved up in the queue, are you saying that I would be put at the end of the queue if I received a scammer tag?

Exactly where would I be placed if labeled a scammer, and where would I be placed once the scammer tag is removed? If my original queue position was passed with all others after me paid, would I then be the very first one to receive payment, or would I be place at the end of the queue, getting double punished for an act of which was never related to the first one?

Not dissing you or theymos, John. Just seeking clarification now that this position is in the open. Sorry for opening up a can of worms, but now seems important.

Later, bud.

~Bruno K~

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i dont give a fuck what you or theymos think. im not asking for any coins. im only asking he negotiate with me. if he wont then fuck everybody and ban me. i will not take responsibility for my actions if your BS scamming staff member doesnt.

i probably would not have paid you the coins if i lost. but i am bipolar so if i was in the mood to man up i would have. what i would have done or would not have done does not excuse you or give you a free pass to man up with everybody but me. if you want to man up and accept responsibility for your actions you will have to deal with me.

matthew, i have enough coins right now to pay back every person i burned and pay you twice over.

That's the second class response I've read from your today. Two damn excellent posts!

Later, bud.

~Bruno K~

Theymos and I agree that BTC guy's bet with Matthew N. Wright should be postponed until BTC guy refunds his creditors. It's only fair that he removes his tag and repays his dues to other users before requesting for his own debt to be repaid.

is there a difference? 

I guess it's better than inbreeding.

now we have scammers infighting......

Where is the 250 BTC you would have given me if I won? You can't repay anyone you scammed without me giving you money, then you couldn't pay me if I had won.

matthew gets to accept responsibility for his actions and clear his name. its a learning experience for him. it will give him good character. his actions will also insure the people i burned are repaid.

matthew, you never responded to my PM or sent me any PM at all. the first time you responded to me was when i posted in this thread.

i dont care about you matthew. i dont care what your thought process is or what your reasons for doing it was. we both made the bet. you confirmed and accepted my bet. if you want to man up and accept responsibility for your actions you will have to deal with me. im not asking you to give me any coins at this point. im only asking you to begin the negotiation process.

That's equivalent to evading a ban imo. Besides, I'm not proud of my own behavior in the past, but it's who I am and I own it. It's like watching someone working out as a skinny weakling and meeting them later in life when they're buff, and them denying that they were ever skinny and weak. They simply wouldn't. They'd be beaming and proud of their change. I'd be robbing myself of that I guess.

For an extreme example, Sonny, the CEO of BFL, is a convicted criminal who was arrested for a fraud basically doing exactly what BFL is doing now, and people still send them money. Do you really think a scammer tag is going to keep me from doing business, having friends, getting married, investing, learning, collaborating, and supporting projects? It's more likely that the bad habit of creating sock puppets (like some others here) will leak into their real lives and make them cowards. No thanks!

I'm not talking about your reputation, I'm talking about Matthew's. In effect, by repaying, Matthew is buying back his reputation/"integrity" from others whom he screwed. So my question is, what sort of reputation or integrity can you offer him with your scammer-labled account? I.e. what does Matthew gain from paying you back, if others around here may not give a crap one way or the other whether you were repaid?

In simple terms, Matthew repaying someone like Theymos or Gavin (had he owed them) would be a very good value for the money spent. Him repaying you? Not so much.

Since BTC guy's other accounts are not scammer tagged, maybe Matthew should registered Matthew N Wright (sans the period) so that he could have a clean account to conduct viable business. If ever it's brought to the attention of the newly named account referencing the scammed account, Matthew would simply address those concerns politely, then refer those to the other account where they will be addressed accordingly.

That's not true, and I already told you the reason in PM. It's not a matter of reputation. Everyone here knows I think many bitcoiners are retarded, delusional and irrational thinkers who have no place in the real world. This is about integrity. Just because I think someone is an idiot, doesn't mean I have the right to screw with their finances and get their hopes up. I deserve this punishment for crossing a very serious line, there is no doubt about it. It's kind of like going out drifting with your friends because "fuck the police" (done it), and ending up getting in a wreck and someone gets hurt. How can any sane person feel good about that afterwards? As the driver, I feel awful. I just want to make sure everyone in that car and outside is taken care of. It's not an issue of if I'm allowed to drive again, no one can stop me from driving again, not here, not anywhere. I don't need permission from people on an internet forum to drive. This is about being on my death bed and knowing I didn't do the right thing when I screwed up.

Having said that, I am positive there were numerous people who had no intention of paying me if they lost (because I have received numerous messages admitting to that). For an admitted scammer/welcher to come here demanding I pay him without realizing he's like #118 on the list of people before him who are also demanding to be paid, he's delusional. Doing the right thing would be ignoring him completely to be honest. The only reason I would ever begin to settle with him is because without settling with him, it leaves this issue open forever. I'm not going to settle with a scammer though, there's no debating that.

im not selling or buying back my reputation. i dont care about my reputation. i only care about fixing my bad decisions and collecting from matthew.

As I understand it, Matthew is buying back his reputation. What reputation do you have to sell to him, if any?

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