Topic: I'd like to ask for some help. - page 3. (Read 8464 times)

Lol.

Has anyone involved in this bet actually been paid anything?  So far I've yet to see someone actually say so.

Lol! In other words, "that's exactly what I said...but different." He he

Not only did you steal my quote, you reworded it.


You're in deep shit now, buddy!

The internet is the real world, no?

The acronym is back! Let's celebrate his second coming!

Can we make him do silly things for Bitcoin until his slate is clean? I miss the stapler guy...

I just want to remind everyone that this is an internet forum, one with very little relevance to the real world.

I don't believe Matthew had malicious intent to defraud anybody when he started his "bet". Probably he just became is a victim of himself. It was stupid to do what he did, and probably it caused unintended (and unprovable) harm to some forum users.

I'd like to ask people (who identify themselves as victims of fraud) to take away their greed and offence and to recognize the fact that probably he just won't be able to pay in full. You wouldn't want him to sell his organs, would you?

I propose the following solution for this situation:

1. Victims claim a fraction of real losses, that their consciousness consider proportional to his guilt (he shouldn't pay for others' greed and stupidity). Matthew creates a list of payment recipients (weighted by their claimed amounts) and publishes it.

2. Time to time Matthew sends any amount to some trusted Treasurer's address thus proving his intents to pay off. Treasurer redistributes money among victims with respect to their weights in the list.

3. Community monitors Treasurer's address and sees if Matthew makes regular payments and how large those payments are.

Who knows, maybe sooner or later Matthew will pay for his sins. I think he deserves a chance to prove public his intents and to rehabilitate himself.

Well, for a start no-one's been able to prove that BFL actually lied when they said they were going to ship on that date, whereas Matthew very helpfully demonstrated in theatrical fashion that he never actually intended to do what he promised, having carefully built up anticipation for his announcement to make sure as many people as possible were watching. Also, Matthew actually advertised his bet as a way for people to "hedge their Pirate exposure". Finally, Matthew made a point of insisting that anyone who didn't pay up would get a scammer tag. Basically, he did everything he possibly could to make sure he got tagged as a scammer.

You don't know me, and I was never involved in any of this, but for what it's worth, here's some (blunt, but not malicious) advice:

1) After getting in touch with those you owe, take another vacation from the forums. Not that I expected you to grovel, but some of your statements, and the tone behind them, suggest you're still not fully realizing the gravity of all this (and no, I'm not talking about others incurring other financial losses based on your welshing of the bet.)

2) Please stop linking to anything with a donation address, regardless of the reason. Coming back into this situation claiming to have learned your lesson, only to then do something so inappropriate further reinforces #1.

3) Attempt to settle, but if anyone you owe insists you pay the full amount, then you need to accept that that is what you owe that person. Whether you choose to dismiss them or to spend years paying them back is entirely your choice, but to not accept that you owe what you owe would put a lie to your claim: "I want to personally take care of my situation with that person and do my best to make things right, no matter how long it takes."

4) I'd recommend you never, not once, request your scammer tag be removed, and that you do your best to not get involved with debating the merits of having it be removed.

5) Borrow what you can and start buying some bitcoins NOW. I'm sure you've seen the price movements, and can see the general trend. You already know there will be some (whether you owe them 1 BTC or 1000 BTC) who will insist you pay them in full. If you really are intending to make it right to any significant degree, such action would be real evidence of that, and will allow you to make payments more easily further down the road.

6) Finally, if you really are in this for the long haul, you might find you'll be more successful if you make whatever regular payments you agree to make on your debts, but aim to fully pay them off in order from smallest debt to largest. I didn't come up with the methodology, but it's incredibly sound financial advice.

However you choose to handle this, I sincerely hope it all works out in the end.

Good luck.

MNW,

You owe me 1500 BTC under the username bitbotbut on your list.

I posted a screenshot of your google docs spreadsheet from back in August.

Make me an offer on how to settle this debt.

And no, I'm not going to take a tiny portion of the debt as payment.

Be reasonable given that you would have held everyone else who made bets against you to their bet had you won.

I posted in the other thread and PMed you.

Awaiting your response.

Money is imaginary. Debt is imaginary. Start living in reality.

let the betting begin
http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1167

So hes in "dept" to you now for what exactly?

Ohhhh there i spotted another "becoin"...

Deep breaths Matthew.  You seem to be losing your humility and becoming pedantic and argumentative already, which kind of undermines your stated purpose for starting the thread.

Yea, it's unactionable debt (i.e. debt that can't be claimed in a court of law), so it's basically a gentleman's agreement, but I wasn't acting like a gentleman. That's the best way to describe it.

That's different, as it's not a voluntary choice. Borrowing money to gamble is a choice and requires someone willing to take the risk that you will pay back the loan. But as I said in PM, maybe loan is not the right word to use. Would it be correct to call it just "debt" maybe?

So if you get a parking ticket and don't pay it, does the court say that they gave you a loan for the ticket amount?

When you gamble with money you don't have you are borrowing money. It's called gambling debt, and it can grow despite you never actually being handed over money, it's an obligation to pay, debt, or as I thought was an appropriate word "loan".  Isn't borrowing money and loaning money basically the same thing?

I do not remember ever borrowing any money from you. If you are considering the bet as being a loan, you'd be mistaken. That does not however change my mind about what the right thing to do in this situation is and I will continue to work towards it.