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Quote from: Lethn on January 20, 2013, 01:19:08 PM

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Greed .... AGAIN (as we see in the religious ASIC WAR today).

The hilarious thing is if you look at the numbers they're spouting for the ASIC it isn't actually that impressive, like with anything Bitcoin mining, I think the objective is entirely to acquire Bitcoins, it isn't to profit from them like with real life mining, in fact, a pick axe and some Geology lessons would probably serve all these guys better in the long run than paying for ASIC's.

true so true but no one will listen :/
As if a "add a certain ASIC here" will ever pay for itself or make you rich!

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Quote from: BR0KK on January 20, 2013, 01:11:34 PM

As i recall, i saw your bet and the first thing that came to mind was "not to take it serious"! How and why should someone bet that much? Especially with all that BS about pirate :/ How the hell could someone (your bet partners) take something like that serious?
Greed .... AGAIN (as we see in the religious ASIC WAR today).

Alas, this has been mentioned before and I lean in favor of the opposing argument, that it is impossible to tell with a bet in the amount I originally set limits for. Some people did believe I had 10,000 BTC, and I made no effort to discourage them from that. Looking back it's like watching a completely different person; I have no idea what the hell was wrong with me and it still embarrasses me how inappropriately I behaved. It has caused a lot of reflection and I have found that an adjustment in my attitude and personality is the only logical next step to functioning in society.

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Greed .... AGAIN (as we see in the religious ASIC WAR today).

The hilarious thing is if you look at the numbers they're spouting for the ASIC it isn't actually that impressive, like with anything Bitcoin mining, I think the objective is entirely to acquire Bitcoins, it isn't to profit from them like with real life mining, in fact, a pick axe and some Geology lessons would probably serve all these guys better in the long run than paying for ASIC's.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on January 20, 2013, 12:43:51 PM

Quote from: BR0KK on January 20, 2013, 12:36:03 PM

So the only thing he did wrong, was running a silly bet?

HOW STUPID TO TAKE THIS BET SERIOUS IN THE FIRST PLACE.... Did someone get hurt (besides mentally?); Did someone loose Money or BTC?
No?

If thats the only thing he did.... then remove the tag because he's not a scammer....

The argument I have received numerous times is that since people trusted the bet, they were inclined to make other financial decisions based on said trust. This is something I hadn't really thought about beforehand to much extend and I was surprised, scared and saddened when the first wave of claims of lost funds do to hedging etc occurred. Some people actually went one step further and purchased debt, losing out even moreso. This unfortunately for all parties is unverifiable and admittedly something I will never be able to resolve completely. I am here first and foremost to simply resolve the bet itself. If I were to pay the bet out, it would be for the bet only, not amounts people come up with aside from that. That said, I do acknowledge that I have made many people uncomfortable as a result of the bet and I am truly grief stricken.

You are not responsible for other peoples decisions..... If i invest in something i'll think about that FIRST.... If i do the ammount i "bet" is onsidered gone for good.
The pirate thing seemed good to be true so at first i fell for it. I did have a share or two in PPT's (TYGRR.. something; a ppt from GOAT) but i got out early.

As i recall, i saw your bet and the first thing that came to mind was "not to take it serious"! How and why should someone bet that much? Especially with all that BS about pirate :/ How the hell could someone (your bet partners) take something like that serious?
Greed .... AGAIN (as we see in the religious ASIC WAR today).

On the other hand you could and should have made it clear that this bet wasn't serious! Somewhere between the lines .... Or if you (or others) noticed that it git outa hand!

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Taking a $1,000,000 bet on the internet seriously is a bit like taking Mitt Romney's $10,000 bet seriously, either way you're all going to end up looking like pillocks, it's a bit like taking a troll seriously, you can't go back and say "WE THOUGHT YOU WERE SERIOUS BURN IT! BURN IT!" and come out of that looking intelligent when you were just as stupid as the person who said it, I've seen it happen though lol. I don't know what happened precisely but if he did owe people money, then he should pay it back, that's a given and completely unrelated to such a stupid sounding bet, but if he didn't owe any money at all, then you guys are screaming drama and I'd be wary about even selling Manga to you for 0.5 BTC like I plan to let alone anything pricey like hand made Jewellery because this is actually looking a bit like the same situation that johnniewalker had with people trying to profit from internet drama and blackmail him into paying up without any proof.

I'm hoping this is just one or two scam artists I have to be worried about that have snuck into the community and won't be back, not what Bitcoin will be made up of in the entire future.

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Quote from: BR0KK on January 20, 2013, 12:36:03 PM

So the only thing he did wrong, was running a silly bet?

HOW STUPID TO TAKE THIS BET SERIOUS IN THE FIRST PLACE.... Did someone get hurt (besides mentally?); Did someone loose Money or BTC?
No?

If thats the only thing he did.... then remove the tag because he's not a scammer....

The argument I have received numerous times is that since people trusted the bet, they were inclined to make other financial decisions based on said trust. This is something I hadn't really thought about beforehand to much extend and I was surprised, scared and saddened when the first wave of claims of lost funds do to hedging etc occurred. Some people actually went one step further and purchased debt, losing out even moreso. This unfortunately for all parties is unverifiable and admittedly something I will never be able to resolve completely. I am here first and foremost to simply resolve the bet itself. If I were to pay the bet out, it would be for the bet only, not amounts people come up with aside from that. That said, I do acknowledge that I have made many people uncomfortable as a result of the bet and I am truly grief stricken.

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So the only thing he did wrong, was running a silly bet?

HOW STUPID TO TAKE THIS BET SERIOUS IN THE FIRST PLACE.... Did someone get hurt (besides mentally?); Did someone loose Money or BTC?
No?

If thats the only thing he did.... then remove the tag because he's not a scammer....

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Quote from: memvola on January 20, 2013, 12:10:36 PM

So in essence, if I make it too easy for you to scam me, it's my fault

Exactly what you said. If you make it too easy for me to scam you, it's my fault, which exactly what I've been apologizing for and exactly what I want to change. Thank you for helping me make that clearer, I hope to adjust my personality and attitude accordingly and on a completely different topic, if you'd like to discuss what makes someone honest and get to the bottom of what I meant by my previous comment, I would be happy to engage you. Please start a thread.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on January 20, 2013, 11:45:46 AM

What exactly is an "honest person"? I don't believe I've ever met one.

This kind of cynicism is stereotypical. Honest people are hard to come by and if you don't have the highest respect for them and feel attracted to them, you won't see them around you.

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on January 20, 2013, 11:45:46 AM

I did in fact fall for the temptation that I shouldn't have because it was made very easy

So in essence, if I make it too easy for you to scam me, it's my fault (or at least reduces yours). And you are surprised that you don't see honest people surrounding you? Most peculiar indeed.

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Quote from: darkmule on January 20, 2013, 11:41:31 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on January 16, 2013, 01:50:43 PM

As the bets grew though, I was tempted with greed and I fell into a trap. I flipped back and forth between playing a prank (as it was intended) and actually trying to solve my financial situation (which was becoming dire).

Pretty easy trap for you to get out of, wasn't it?

If you won, "pay up sucker."

If you lost, "ha ha it was just a joke."

Funny how honest people never end up in such a "trap."

What exactly is an "honest person"? I don't believe I've ever met one. I do believe I had a moment where my responsibilities, amount of trust in me from others, and influence were inproportionate to my experience, professionalism, and maturity, and I did in fact fall for the temptation that I shouldn't have because it was made very easy (see first part of this sentence for reasoning). What I would like to do is no longer put myself in a position where something like that can happen so easily, and just work in areas that don't surround me with money and people throwing it at me hand over fist. What I'd also like to do is not focus on money in my own life as well, and work for the benefit of creating and not just for profits. That was my biggest regret in 2013 and I don't want to let that happen again. I've considered working for free but bills do need to be paid so I think the best thing for me to do is continue working on adjusting my attitude, growing up and reading more than talking. Thank you for contributing your opinions to the topic though, that's why it's here.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on January 16, 2013, 01:50:43 PM

As the bets grew though, I was tempted with greed and I fell into a trap. I flipped back and forth between playing a prank (as it was intended) and actually trying to solve my financial situation (which was becoming dire).

Pretty easy trap for you to get out of, wasn't it?

If you won, "pay up sucker."

If you lost, "ha ha it was just a joke."

Funny how honest people never end up in such a "trap."

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Quote from: Rassah on January 20, 2013, 11:01:00 AM

Quote from: jl2012 on January 20, 2013, 08:18:31 AM

Just disappear if you do not have the ability to pay you debt (even if you have the intention to do so). Some Private-victims did incur extra loss due to your bet, and some may be still struggling to pay their debt in real life. You are bringing force hope to these people and going to hurt them once again. (Just imagine if private comes back and ask for "help" like you.....)

Did you type that out on an iPhone? Grin

Typo? fixed

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Quote from: jl2012 on January 20, 2013, 08:18:31 AM

Just disappear if you do not have the ability to pay you debt (even if you have the intention to do so). Some Private-victims did incur extra loss due to your bet, and some may be still struggling to pay their debt in real life. You are bringing force hope to these people and going to hurt them once again. (Just imagine if private comes back and ask for "help" like you.....)

Did you type that out on an iPhone? Grin

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on January 17, 2013, 05:02:49 PM

Quote from: Rassah on January 17, 2013, 04:56:47 PM

I just want to state that ANYONE who receives money from Matthew from this, I will consider as either an idiot, or a scumbag. An idiot, because you put your money into something as stupid as Pirate or this bet without taking responsibility for your own stupid financial decisions
Or a scumbag because you could easily claim that you made such a bet without proof, and are just trying to steal money from this naive fool

I hear your sentiments, but one of the lessons I learned in all of this is that this community is one obsessed with money (no kidding!) and that when you make a mistake financially, you have to rectify it financially. Some people might take a few bitcoins from me just to give them right back as a test of my intentions. Some might use the opportunity to make a quick buck, whom would otherwise not have paid at all. That's not for me to discern at the moment though, my task at hand is just making sure that I make amends so that I can continue living in a world where actions have consequences. It's an issue of mental health if nothing else. I have to stand up for myself when I am being abused, but also against myself when I have abused others.

Don't you have a google doc of the original bets?

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Just disappear if you do not have the ability to pay you debt (even if you have the intention to do so). Some Private-victims did incur extra loss due to your bet, and some may be still struggling to pay their debt in real life. You are bringing false hope to these people and going to hurt them once again. (Just imagine if private comes back and ask for "help" like you.....)

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And how can you continue saying, "I initially intended to teach the community a lesson about trust"?

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on January 16, 2013, 01:50:43 PM

I initially intended to teach the community a lesson about trust, I did not expect anyone to really take the bets and thus I did not expect to keep any profits. As the bets grew though, I was tempted with greed and I fell into a trap. I flipped back and forth between playing a prank (as it was intended) and actually trying to solve my financial situation (which was becoming dire). I did truly believe that Pirate was going to pay back and I fell for it. I also believe that I intended to pay anyone I lost when it was around 1000 BTC, but as I flip-flopped on my own reasoning and was enjoying the entertainment/trolling so much, I lost control and couldn't stop myself. The attention was just too entertaining and now I will go down in history as the retard who went full retard on the forums-- but I will not go down in history as the guy who ran away from his responsibilities. During the betting process, I hadn't considered people would actually lose money (I seldom plan ahead) and it hadn't occurred to me until shortly after the bet was over that I had actually cost people money/opportunity in large amounts.

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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

Why do you even care if anyone trusts you? I would prefer to not have to be trusted. Admiration and gratitude is enough for me. Wink

Seriously, Bitcoin offers trustless and transparent fiancial transactions. Use this to model your next venture, and set an example that even Jesus H Christ could not beat.

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You still believe that you did not intentionally hurt other people in order to save yourself. You will do it again.

This.

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Reminds me of Jimmy Swaggart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1OXAi7rNMg

Lucky, he gets to blame his mistakes on a boogieman. I have to own up to mine.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on January 19, 2013, 10:34:59 PM

In talking with some of the people I bet with, I learned of his unfortunate circumstances (which I hope were not due to mining rigs). We all think of this community like a small town, but unlike a small town, we can't directly see what is going on with our neighbor unless that neighbor tells us. I would like to help share the story of one of those neighbors.

http://bitcoinbasics.wordpress.com/tag/crosby/
http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/7-people-homeless-after-vanier-blaze-1.1108019

wont his home insurance cover it?

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