Topic: I'd like to ask for some help. - page 4. (Read 8464 times)

That sounds like a separate issue from the bet that got him labeled as a scammer...

No it doesn't. He has a loan to me and I am waiting for him to pay back the loan. I am worse off if he doesn't pay me too, opportunity costs.

lol. I'm all for it. Theymos?

When you said "paid back," the "back" implies that you paid him something, and are waiting for him to return the money, aka pay you back. If you haven't paid him anything, and he hasn't honored his bet, neither of you are better or worse off than you were before.

When people make bets, unless they use escrow, no party actually pays the other part before the bet has ended.

Sure, I'll reply to the PM.

I've messaged you, not sure if you have me on ignore or didn't get my message. Many people who have posted in this thread have already been messaged and not responded yet. It has prompted the creation of this thread.

Did you pay him something? 

Well, since no one else seems to have posted up an address, I'll see how this goes.

1FQhNej4boCkMfDFZykBDf9YbiKWK4aVfK

My bet was 100BTC in the first day of the bet, later upped to 500BTC after you extended past the 10,000 limit.

I would settle for 1% of the total bet, or BTC5 to the address above. If that works, go ahead and I'll consider this all resolved.

I didn't get paid back.

You need a 'Rehab' title here. 

Someone had already put it quite eloquently; it is the equivalent to having broken someone's windows. I did not benefit from it, but neither did the person whose windows I may have broken. Just added to the chaos and now I am paying for the broken windows and trying to put them in myself. Some people are telling me that they already replaced them and they'd rather have me rake the leaves in their yard. Some people are telling me that they want the full price of the window. Still others are telling me that the house they were living in was in a fire and doesn't need the windows replaced any more. I can hold the label of "scammer" for a lack of a better title, but scammers don't pay people back and work to change their lives.

It's called a failed scam. Just because a scammer doesn't succeed doesn't make him less of a scammer.

Did he gain something out of his bet.... I mean did he take money from bet partners?
As I recall he didn't (or am I wrong here?)

If he didn't then he's just a liar.

Heck, even BLF doesn't have a tag .... May I ask the board leaders why?
They did everything what qualifies them, but they keep on dooing their Bullshit....

Matthew,

You made a silly bet out of ignorance and a horrible understanding of mathematics. Greater stupidity made you extend the bet beyond your means of payment. Even more stupidity made others take financial risks they could ill afford on the good faith and credit of some guy they don't know who sucks at math.

A sincere apology is a appropriate...but, there are plenty of people who took part in making your silly unbelievable bet go way overboard. Heck, half of us on here were part of the pirate scam...taking money from hopeful "investors" under the false pretenses of thinking this pirate guy found a way to make Ponzi level returns without running a ponzi. Even Theymos proudly took pirate money.

I'm not saying what you did was right. It wasn't. But don't forget many people didn't _want_ to believe they were scammed by a guy named pirate (that sounds so silly!) and others didn't _want_ your bet to be fake...At some point the grown ups need to step in and tell the children to grow up.

I wouldn't try too hard to make amends. I mean, heck, you could have outright stolen coins and faced no consequence (not that that would make it right).

Did Trendon ever go to prison? Get arrested? Get more than some phone calls? Someone please tell me the identified thief was prosecuted!

For the record, I vote to keep the scammer tag. Only because Matthew was bad enough at math to believe that he might actually have stood to gain and he had no intention of losing...it was a statistical scam.

That surely narrowed it down. Have you ever seen the following house in Plano, Illinois, just down the road from where I live?

A scammer is someone who uses deception/trickery/fraud in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

Sent both yourself and Bruno a PM - hopefully 2013 will be a fresh new start!

First, welcome back, friend. Sorry for not supplying input earlier, but I wasn't sure of what to write--until now.

At the risk of being alienated, I'm for having your scarlet X's removed, offering up the following as my argument.


If the above is true, for I believe that's why the tag was implemented in the first place, then how is that different than promising shipment on a certain date, but was pushed back a couple three times? Before I continue, please understand that this is no way a diss toward BFL, let alone suggesting they, too, deserve a scammer tag, which is nonsense. But the crux of the matter is that many a people pre-ordered product with the understanding that revenue will be generated by a certain date or, at the very least, a modest rescheduled one. If my calculations are correct, not one satoshi of the over a million dollars worth of bitcoins that were expected to be mined to date has yet to be produced.

That said, the above quote could be written the following way.


Bottom line, what's good for Team Monach is more than good enough for an ex-troll.

Q.E.D.

I'm not too into adding stipulations, but if I were inclined to do such, I would only suggest that trolling be kept to a bare minimum, and do everything in your power to add to the Bitcoin community utilizing the tremendous skills you possess, with somehow gleaning something to provide for your family.

The only other suggestion I have is that the tag will remain until the first anniversary of when it was implemented, during which time Matthew will be adding to the Bitcoin community then, upon seeing that such actions transpired, admin, namely theymos, would remove said tag.

Please accept my apologies to those who have a distaste for Matthew, as well as those who expect to be paid because of the bit. I have no qualms with yous, and hopefully this post doesn't change the way you feel about me unless, of course, I'm on your ignore list and you now have a desire to reverse that decision.  

~Bruno K~

Matthew, it's never too late to make things right until you're dead.

First and most important, you're never going to be able to repair the damage you have done and make the situation exactly as before. Take your time to accept this and keep that as a lesson.

Second, you're already doing it, but asking the people you've hurt what you can humanly do in your current situation to patch things up is a great start. As for the rest, well, you've destroyed value in this community. If you can find a way to bring new value in this community, you're welcome to do so.

Consider that some people have black-listed you, let them be. Some people in this world believe in death penalty, so for them, rehabilitation doesn't even exist in their mind. You can't do anything about that, learn to deal with it. Others (like me), believe in controlled rehabilitation. Keep that scammer tag and the info about your bet available. Hiding that information is not going to help you. As long as you're doing that and you're transparent, some (not all) people will still give you a chance.

You have a big hill of credibility to climb back, but I think you can do it. jcpham posted about the "steamship wanting to buy your bet debt couple of pages ago" and I was also there that night. You had the easy way out to ran away from this mess, but you went forward with your balls of steels. You also have the guts of coming back here and asking for help. Asking for help is pretty hard when the ego is in the way. I respect that, and I'm pretty sure you'll go through it.