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Quote from: Alex Zee on April 24, 2013, 03:04:57 AM

People in 18 don't talk like that, no matter how smart they are, because even if you are a genius, you can't compress time.

He just seems well educated to me. He hasn't said anything that isn't capable of coming from a 16 yr old.

His naivety is what gives away his age. His behaviour is that of someone who wants to earn your trust and will do things that put him in the firing line by doing so.

Since his return I've noticed he's being a little more assertive and much less of a walkover which is good.

Call it projection but he reminds me of my younger self - always thinking the best of people and always hoping for the best of a bad situation and always expecting the other person to reciprocate in kind if you submit first. This attitude works only if the people you're dealing with have the same behavioural pattern but in reality, most people are out for themselves and will paint you into a corner quicker than you can turn your back.

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How do you feel about your name being often(I think? I don't watch every episode) mentioned in a negative light on a widely viewed international television network?

For others who may not be aware: Max Keiser uses the phrase "Zhoutonged" in a derogatory manner on the news network Russia Today(RT).

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This is the dumbest thing ever, what is a ustream Q&A going to do, that a thread like this will not do?

It would definitely prove his passport is the one used in the travelling claim as there's no opportunity to doctor it as it's live.

I assume the questioning session is to attempt to 'catch him out' in his 'web of lies'.

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He isn't a con man, just a teenager with too much coin power, and be quite frank he is smarter than a lot of teenagers, two businesses by the time he is 18. Come on some credit and respect is due to him, but to call him a con-man is a bit overboard.

I'm not sure that proving his age will do anything. It'll quieten down some who believe if you lie about your age, all other claims against you must therefore be true but that's not really valid.

The best thing to do is to just let him prove himself in his future conduct and be wary, as you should be with all things Bitcoin.

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This is the dumbest thing ever, what is a ustream Q&A going to do, that a thread like this will not do?

It's a start. If somebody would really want to improve their reputation they would looking for ways to do it, not dodging them.

Some of us have very big doubts that he is 18 years old. People in 18 don't talk like that, no matter how smart they are, because even if you are a genius, you can't compress time. Certain way of thinking (which is exposed through the way one's structuring their sentences) comes with raw years of experience, you can't "shortcut" that. You can't just load a life, "matrix-style", into the head of a kid.

So he can easily start with proving his age. While even his age remains suspicious, why would I have any shred of trust with his new ventures?

It was pointed out here, that we are not the ones who have to prove anything. He is.

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Quote from: Maged on April 24, 2013, 12:43:28 AM

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Quote from: Maged on April 24, 2013, 12:36:07 AM

You have a lot more potential than you imagine.

That's exactly what their worried about.

You're one to talk...

What Zhou needs are some good partners who know what they're doing.

Like the Mafia? Huh

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From what I know about con-men psychology, their biggest enjoyment is not in taking things, but in the feeling of being smarter than their victims because they could trick and fool them. They see it as "outsmarting" everybody else.

So I guess Zhou now gets a nice dose of endorphins reading all these heart-warming "welcome-backs" in this topic...

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Quote from: nrd525 on April 23, 2013, 10:25:52 PM

Silly drama.

Q: Why would Zhoutong lie about being 17 when he started bitcoinica? It isn't the kind of lie you tell that will encourage people to entrust hundreds of thousands of dollars with you.
A: it wasn't a lie.

Pangia - registration date March 31. Nice trolling.

I'm not sure that's conclusive evidence he didn't lie about his age and registration date isn't a reliable indicator of trollality. There are trolls here that have been registered for years lol

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Quote from: zhoutong on April 24, 2013, 12:24:39 AM

It's perhaps better for me to silently focus on my work and deliver something good for Bitcoin that doesn't require much trust. My reputation is pretty much ruined in this community regardless of how much evidence I bring to the table. (It's easy to blame people.)

You can help your reputation by doing a Q&A session on Ustream or even simply posting a long YouTube video.

What will be your excuse for that? Don't know how to use YouTube? Don't have webcamera? Don't have mobile phone? Or that it "won't prove anything"? Maybe it won't, but it's a good start if you really want to improve your reputation.

Instead, what I see is that you cherry pick posts to answer and ignore posts that are not so easy to answer.

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Whatever happened to the Fund managed by Patrick Murk? Did he ever distribute any of those funds to the creditors?

Do people still trust those guys that ran Bitcoinica during this saga? I see they're running new businesses but I for one won't touch them with a bargepole.

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Quote from: zhoutong on April 24, 2013, 01:26:23 AM

EDIT: Trace the coins all you can. Aside from the 100 BTC donated by hacker I'm pretty sure the rest are legitimate coins once stored in either Mt. Gox or Bitcoinica.

The fact that Zhou accepted 100 BTC of the stolen coins as a donation to his personal fund distribution represented a clear conflict of interest. He should have sent that directly back to Bitcoinica. I did receive some compensation from Zhou's donation fund and decided to send 100 BTC from that back to the Bitcoinica Recovery Fund managed by Patrick Murk to compensate for the hacker donation. So that should be covered now.

Transaction ID: http://blockchain.info/tx-index/14361561/bb91cd10d615ffa39a092100708168567a440e3f2adb171a550de91ad990e1e9

Also note that the recovery fund only received ~15.000 BTC back from Chen Jianhai through Zhou. Although Zhou claimed that he could recover 20.000 BTC from Chen. I wonder if he is counting his 5000 BTC compensation as part of the recovery funds... And if not, why is there 5000 BTC is missing from the reclaimed funds? (It might be explained somewhere, in which case I missed it)

Recovery address: http://blockchain.info/address/1N99P8Z5AQXWEYZiS6ddov9Fyc4kuGPpwJ (15,006 BTC)

Quote from: zhoutong on July 26, 2012, 06:55:51 AM

I have gathered some data to estimate the amount that can be recovered from Chen Jianhai:

USD: about $140,000 + $5000 frozen at AurumXchange (under SJ account)
BTC: about 20,000 BTC

There's an unknown amount of funds left in Chris Heaslip's account and I have no way of knowing the exact balance.

Chen Jianhai was only able to offer the above-mentioned amount due to the cost of his laundering activities and also the significantly lower Bitcoin price when he cashed out. If Bitcoinica or the community wants him to cover the full amount at today's prices, I'm willing to co-operate with any police investigation. But either case, my previous donation should have pretty much covered the difference.

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Quote from: zhoutong on April 24, 2013, 01:26:23 AM

Quote from: Transisto on April 24, 2013, 01:21:09 AM

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I contributed 5,000 BTC and talked to the creditors regularly exactly because I wanted to avoid any lawsuits against me.

I'd like to remind you ; That 5000BTC !,,, You've thrown it out of the window, You haven't verified claims other than maybe glancing over them for a minute.

That is an irresponsible move only someone with too many illegitimately acquired BTCs would pull while seeking both repentance and praises from the public.

You're a wise ass, but time will get it back to you.

At least I sent the largest portion of the compensation to Roger Ver, whom I know and trust very much. I believe I have also verified all claims above 1000 BTC.

There may be some rough claims of 10 BTC or 50 BTC, but they represent a tiny proportion. Again, it's my money and you have no right over the allocation of the sum.

EDIT: Trace the coins all you can. Aside from the 100 BTC donated by hacker I'm pretty sure the rest are legitimate coins once stored in either Mt. Gox or Bitcoinica.

I wrote you a 2 page reply to tell you how much this lost had affected me.
I had written the details of my claim "open positions" in the note field.
Not giving a fuck was pretty much what your response conveyed.

My claim is of almost 3000BTC

Edit : I understood you did that only to gather praise from the public and then get the attention away from you ASAP.

Edit 2 : It's not because these 5000 coins were legit that the stolen coins didn't made those less valuable to you. (coin mixing is rather effective and you knew it)

Edit 3 : How can you claim the hacker returned everything ? He converted 20 000 btc into 100 000$ while the exchange rate was ~7$ ? He kept 50 000$ ?

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Quote from: Transisto on April 24, 2013, 01:21:09 AM

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I contributed 5,000 BTC and talked to the creditors regularly exactly because I wanted to avoid any lawsuits against me.

I'd like to remind you ; That 5000BTC !,,, You've thrown it out of the window, You haven't verified claims other than maybe glancing over them for a minute.

That is an irresponsible move only someone with too many illegitimately acquired BTCs would pull while seeking both repentance and praises from the public.

You're a wise ass, but time will get it back to you.

At least I sent the largest portion of the compensation to Roger Ver, whom I know and trust very much. I believe I have also verified all claims above 1000 BTC.

There may be some rough claims of 10 BTC or 50 BTC, but they represent a tiny proportion. Again, it's my money and you have no right over the allocation of the sum.

EDIT: Trace the coins all you can. Aside from the 100 BTC donated by hacker I'm pretty sure the rest are legitimate coins once stored in either Mt. Gox or Bitcoinica.

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I contributed 5,000 BTC and talked to the creditors regularly exactly because I wanted to avoid any lawsuits against me.

I'd like to remind you ; That 5000BTC !,,, You've thrown it out of the window, You haven't verified claims other than maybe glancing over them for a minute.

That is an irresponsible move only someone with too many illegitimately acquired BTCs would pull while seeking both repentance and praises from the public.

You're a wise ass, but time will get it back onto you.

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Quote from: Maged on April 24, 2013, 12:43:28 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 24, 2013, 12:36:43 AM

Quote from: Maged on April 24, 2013, 12:36:07 AM

You have a lot more potential than you imagine.

That's exactly what their worried about.

You're one to talk...

What Zhou needs are some good partners who know what their doing. Admittedly, the problem there is figuring out who that could be, as we've seen.

I didn't say *I* was worried, I said they were.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 24, 2013, 12:36:43 AM

Quote from: Maged on April 24, 2013, 12:36:07 AM

You have a lot more potential than you imagine.

That's exactly what their worried about.

You're one to talk...

What Zhou needs are some good partners who know what they're doing. Admittedly, the problem there is figuring out who that could be, as we've seen.

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Quote from: Maged on April 24, 2013, 12:36:07 AM

Zhou,

Don't be discouraged by all of the negative posts you see here. There are plenty of people watching this from the sidelines just to see how this plays out that are really on your side here. You have a lot more potential than you imagine.

Thanks Maged. I did receive a few PMs and many more emails. Some people are still happy to invite to join their startups despite all this drama.

I'm here much more prepared this time, with two fairly successful businesses and frequent contacts with my best friends on a daily basis. I have also spoken to a counsellor last year. So it's not really that easy to be discouraged, to be honest.

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Quote from: Maged on April 24, 2013, 12:36:07 AM

You have a lot more potential than you imagine.

That's exactly what their worried about.

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Zhou,

Don't be discouraged by all of the negative posts you see here. There are plenty of people watching this from the sidelines just to see how this plays out that are really on your side here. You have a lot more potential than you imagine.

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Quote from: zhoutong on April 24, 2013, 12:24:39 AM

(It's easy to blame people.)

Well it's not always easy to blame people, but in this case it was fairly easy, yeah. We'll see what comes of the Chen information, but forgive me if I won't be at all surprised if he's "mysteriously disappeared".

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