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Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 11:54:25 AM

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Quote from: meowmeowbrowncow on April 23, 2013, 08:02:17 AM

Yeah, zhoutong isn't a bad guy. Maybe a few holes in the original code, then followed up by new ownership that were more careless and - boom - shit storm.

Still, zhoutong made a valuable contribution to the bitcoin community with good intentions.

welcome back.

Once evidence started pointing towards zhou, zhou himself said that an associate of zhou's stole the password and the bitcoins. He provided this "friend's" name. And claimed the friend was involved in organized crime and also a hunter of ancient antiquities and relics. Then after outing the mysterious relic hunter, he can't or won't provide any more details about the 'real' thief's identity that would allow authorities to track him down.

I don't know about you, but I don't think it's wise to rat out a multi-millionaire organized criminal. Such a person would be likely to do something to shut you up. Not like bitcoiners who get scammed and complain and do nothing.

If you actually believe this ridiculous story, zhou knows the identity of the bitcoinia thief, inadvreallyertently provided him with enough info to steal the passwords, and isn't doing anything to assist in catching the thief.

And if you don't, then zhou is like OJ Simpson, talking about the 'real' thief to deflect blame away from himself.

Either way, I wouldn't trust him.

WOW! Classic con-man.

So you've verified all that information before making your conclusion or have you just accepted as fact, information posted on a public forum by a stranger?

You use these same analytical skills for your 20yr career?

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Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 11:36:17 AM

This person (Zhou Tong) isn't 18. Without going into details, in my profession (for the past 20 years) I have interviewed hundreds of individuals. One of the things that we look for is a slight inconsistency in their story which we then go after it. Sometimes the inconsistency is due to something innocent (hiding an affair, minor theft) relative to what we're looking into. But more often than not, it's a slip-up on their part because they're trying to hide something else (what we're actually interested in). Once we get to that "something else", then we widen the hole in their story. Further inconsistencies are developed by them to explain away the initial lie which leads to the hole in their story becoming wider and wider, with the final outcome either being them admitting to what occurred or requesting an attorney since their back is now against the wall with a mountain of lies on top of them.

My understanding is that someone's met him before and he's also posted pictures of ID as proof.

That being the case, you might have painted your credibility into a bit of a corner here.

For your sake, Zhou Tong had better not turn out to be 18, eh? I mean, it's going to be very hard for him to pretend to be 18 when he attends other Bitcoin meetings...

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First of all, welcome back.

I still don't know if you're guilty or not because I haven't seen hard evidence either way.

My feeling is that you're genuine but maybe I'm a sucker.

There's certainly no hard evidence against you and your actions seem like the actions of an honest person.

As there's no real way to clear up your past, I guess we'll only be able to tell from your future actions. Let's hope you proceed with caution and in time show yourself to be an upstanding member of the community.

Good luck!

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Glad to see you back.

If you are looking for a project, could you build Mt. Gox a matching engine that that works with some modicum of performance? It may or may not be your thing, but someone of the 7 billion people on earth should be able to do something for Christsake!

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Quote from: zhoutong on April 23, 2013, 05:59:13 PM

Very few people have met me so far

Name one. Just one on this forum who has any level of trust, and is known face-to-face by other users.

One.

Wondering...

Waiting patiently...

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Quote from: zhoutong on April 23, 2013, 07:10:39 PM

Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 07:08:40 PM

Quote from: repentance on April 23, 2013, 06:44:32 PM

Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 10:08:35 AM

I know very little about you, but I have read all of your responses in the thread and I can say with the utmost certainty that you are NOT 18 years of age. With that said, if you're lying about that simple fact, then I have significant doubts about everything else you're saying.

Unless he has excellent counterfeit ID, he's 18. He was able to incorporate NameTerrific as a company on his 18th birthday and that requires producing valid ID here.

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Saw that you posted a plane ticket from when you were 16? or 17? Are minors allowed to fly internationally by themselves and go through singapore and aussie customs?

Yes.

More interesting is that fact that the stamps are on PAGE 20 of his alleged passport. That's a heck of a lot of traveling for someone under 18.

It's amazing that some of you folks actually believe this perps story.

Chinese ports stamp near the visa page. Other ports stamp near other stamps. There are a few empty pages before Page 20.

prove that you're 18.

post a nice long youtube video of you speaking about everything that you've spoken about here. You can even hold up your alleged passport and show us that the person on the youtube video is the same person on the passport with the picture.

Then you can answer some of the questions that have been posted here on the youtube video.

That's easy to do isn't it. You can actually do that right now.

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Quote from: zhoutong on April 23, 2013, 08:06:22 AM

The code may be bad (a lot better now), but that's not the direct cause of the hacks. The infrastructure is a bigger problem. As I was the only guy building infrastructure, I will take the responsibility.

Objectives for my next project:
- Test code ratio: 1.5 : 1
- LOC/M: 5-6
- Leave infrastructure to a more experienced sysadmin/security professional that I personally know

I don't think you've figured it out yet zhoutong. The problem you have is figuring out who to trust and who to work with.

1.) You chose to work with Bitcoin Consultancy (genjix). FAIL.
2.) One of your partners stole stole your password. You trusted his computer. FAIL.
3.) You prefer the one-man-team where you code and do everything, trusting little to no one. FAIL.
4.) You hosted Bitcoinica in the cloud and trusted them, and put the wallet in the cloud losing tens of thousands of BTCs. FAIL.

So in your objectives you need, "Learn who to trust".

I didn't choose my partners. I sold Bitcoinica in 2011. I can take only advisory responsibility for anything happened in 2012.

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Welcome back, Zhou.

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Quote from: zhoutong on April 23, 2013, 08:06:22 AM

The code may be bad (a lot better now), but that's not the direct cause of the hacks. The infrastructure is a bigger problem. As I was the only guy building infrastructure, I will take the responsibility.

Objectives for my next project:
- Test code ratio: 1.5 : 1
- LOC/M: 5-6
- Leave infrastructure to a more experienced sysadmin/security professional that I personally know

I don't think you've figured it out yet zhoutong. The problem you have is figuring out who to trust and who to work with.

1.) You chose to work with Bitcoin Consultancy (genjix). FAIL.
2.) One of your partners stole stole your password. You trusted his computer. FAIL.
3.) You prefer the one-man-team where you code and do everything, trusting little to no one. FAIL.
4.) You hosted Bitcoinica in the cloud and trusted them, and put the wallet in the cloud losing tens of thousands of BTCs. FAIL.

So in your objectives you need, "Learn who to trust".

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Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 07:08:40 PM

More interesting is that fact that the stamps are on PAGE 20 of his alleged passport. That's a heck of a lot of traveling for someone under 18.

Besides admitting to constantly travelling, even my passport stamps are randomly placed by Korean and Japanese immigration when I leave and come back. They usually put my VISA stickers right smack dab in the middle of a few empty pages too.

zhoutong

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Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 07:08:40 PM

Quote from: repentance on April 23, 2013, 06:44:32 PM

Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 10:08:35 AM

I know very little about you, but I have read all of your responses in the thread and I can say with the utmost certainty that you are NOT 18 years of age. With that said, if you're lying about that simple fact, then I have significant doubts about everything else you're saying.

Unless he has excellent counterfeit ID, he's 18. He was able to incorporate NameTerrific as a company on his 18th birthday and that requires producing valid ID here.

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Saw that you posted a plane ticket from when you were 16? or 17? Are minors allowed to fly internationally by themselves and go through singapore and aussie customs?

Yes.

More interesting is that fact that the stamps are on PAGE 20 of his alleged passport. That's a heck of a lot of traveling for someone under 18.

It's amazing that some of you folks actually believe this perps story.

Chinese ports stamp near the visa page. Other ports stamp near other stamps. There are a few empty pages before Page 20.

Pangia

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Quote from: repentance on April 23, 2013, 06:44:32 PM

Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 10:08:35 AM

I know very little about you, but I have read all of your responses in the thread and I can say with the utmost certainty that you are NOT 18 years of age. With that said, if you're lying about that simple fact, then I have significant doubts about everything else you're saying.

Unless he has excellent counterfeit ID, he's 18. He was able to incorporate NameTerrific as a company on his 18th birthday and that requires producing valid ID here.

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Saw that you posted a plane ticket from when you were 16? or 17? Are minors allowed to fly internationally by themselves and go through singapore and aussie customs?

Yes.

More interesting is that fact that the stamps are on PAGE 20 of his alleged passport. That's a heck of a lot of traveling for someone under 18.

And at 17, he's also a bronz level frequent flyer. find 1 tiny lie and everything else can be unraveled.

It's amazing that some of you folks actually believe this perps story.

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Quote from: BTC Books on April 23, 2013, 06:37:13 PM

Quote from: zhoutong on April 23, 2013, 05:59:13 PM

Very few people have met me so far

Name one. Just one on this forum who has any level of trust, and is known face-to-face by other users.

One.

Wondering...

zhoutong

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Quote from: repentance on April 23, 2013, 06:44:32 PM

Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 10:08:35 AM

I know very little about you, but I have read all of your responses in the thread and I can say with the utmost certainty that you are NOT 18 years of age. With that said, if you're lying about that simple fact, then I have significant doubts about everything else you're saying.

Unless he has excellent counterfeit ID, he's 18. He was able to incorporate NameTerrific as a company on his 18th birthday and that requires producing valid ID here.

I didn't produce ID when I incorporate the company. ASIC doesn't require that nowadays. But directorship is always linked to my credit file, so there's no benefit to lie.

zhoutong

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Quote from: repentance on April 23, 2013, 06:49:15 PM

Quote from: oakpacific on April 23, 2013, 10:26:33 AM

Let me say a few things, Zhou Tong. I don't know if Bitcoinica was properly registered and where, but if it was, then CJH should be a member of the company and we should be able to see his name on some documents, or otherwise he shouldn't get access to the password, which is the company's assets, right? If you are not careful with that, then you have to prepare for the consequences, which is what you're experiencing now:you are unable to prove your innocence. For another, providing that you told the truth about the hacking incident, you were still being irresponsible for not properly storing the company's funds in cold wallets.

Whatever maybe the case, try to stay low key, your return will not be something worth celebrating about as many people, especially victims of the hacking incident, will remain suspicious about you.

Read the old thread in which Zhou trots out the Chinese relic collector story and how that person just happened to have access to Zhou's password. It's pretty amusing.

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I explained it 11 months ago and no one read.

Plenty of people read it. It sounded like a crock of shit then and it still sounds like a crock of shit now.

No. It was a confusion. The "password" in the reply to Goat referred to the password of the sock puppet account. It had nothing to do with Bitcoinica.

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Quote from: oakpacific on April 23, 2013, 10:26:33 AM

Let me say a few things, Zhou Tong. I don't know if Bitcoinica was properly registered and where, but if it was, then CJH should be a member of the company and we should be able to see his name on some documents, or otherwise he shouldn't get access to the password, which is the company's assets, right? If you are not careful with that, then you have to prepare for the consequences, which is what you're experiencing now:you are unable to prove your innocence. For another, providing that you told the truth about the hacking incident, you were still being irresponsible for not properly storing the company's funds in cold wallets.

Whatever maybe the case, try to stay low key, your return will not be something worth celebrating about as many people, especially victims of the hacking incident, will remain suspicious about you.

Read the old thread in which Zhou trots out the Chinese relic collector story and how that person just happened to have access to Zhou's password. It's pretty amusing.

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I explained it 11 months ago and no one read.

Plenty of people read it. It sounded like a crock of shit then and it still sounds like a crock of shit now.

BTW, why was your name even on the proposed confidential settlement agreement if you were merely a Bitcoinica employee at the time that proposal was made. Why did Jesse Powell post here that you and Tihan had agreed to that proposal when your agreement should have been utterly irrelevant if you had no official role in Bitcoinica?

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Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 10:08:35 AM

I know very little about you, but I have read all of your responses in the thread and I can say with the utmost certainty that you are NOT 18 years of age. With that said, if you're lying about that simple fact, then I have significant doubts about everything else you're saying.

Unless he has excellent counterfeit ID, he's 18. He was able to incorporate NameTerrific as a company on his 18th birthday and that requires producing valid ID here.

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Saw that you posted a plane ticket from when you were 16? or 17? Are minors allowed to fly internationally by themselves and go through singapore and aussie customs?

Yes.

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Quote from: zhoutong on April 23, 2013, 05:59:13 PM

Very few people have met me so far

Name one. Just one on this forum who has any level of trust, and is known face-to-face by other users.

One.

Vod

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Quote from: zhoutong on April 23, 2013, 05:59:13 PM

Very few people have met me so far, but I'm going to be more open as part of the "comeback". I'll try to attend as many Bitcoiner events as possible.

Just don't believe for a second that one year has erased the memories of your theft. Once we have you in person we will be looking to collect the rest that you owe us.

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Quote from: Alex Zee on April 23, 2013, 05:33:53 PM

Quote from: Maged on April 23, 2013, 05:13:46 PM

Seems like it, right? But no, he's still 18 for a few more months.

Well, that's maybe what it says on his profile, but he sure sounds like an adult. If he worked for Microsoft, they probably wouldn't hire a 17-years old, would they? And for pictures he could use his son.

HA! If he had once worked for Microsoft, Bitcoinica would have still been around to this day. I may not know for sure what his age is, but I can tell how old of a programmer he is. He is young enough that he hasn't worked for a big enough company that has actual coding standards.

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