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Very few people have met me so far

Name one. Just one on this forum who has any level of trust, and is known face-to-face by other users.

One.

Wondering...

Waiting patiently...

Oh zhoutong... hello? Over here...

I'm pretty sure there was someone that met him. He runs a Bitcoin business of some sort. Might be a coffee seller? I don't recall. Can anyone remember him from the previous Bitcoinica thread?

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Quote from: Inedible on April 23, 2013, 08:25:20 PM

I believe a credible member of Bitcointalk once vouched for his age and his word was good enough for the masses the last time this came up but I don't remember the username. Maybe someone else does?

Perhaps you're thinking of this post by Tihan.

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Zhou Tong is exactly who he says he is.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1073435

Tihan met Zhou in person.

Whether or not Zhou's lying about his age to this community and to Australian authorities is far less interesting to me than whether he's lying about things directly related to the downfall of Bitcoinica.

Telling the truth about his age doesn't prove he had no involvement in the destruction of Bitcoinica and lying about his age wouldn't prove that he had active involvement in the events which destroyed Bitcoinica.

A pretty irrefutable connection was made between the stolen Bitcoinica funds and Zhou. The big question is whether or not you believe Zhou's explanation for that connection. A secondary question is whether law enforcement was ever asked to investigate that connection.

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No one has met Satoshi face-2-face, still millions of people trust his creation.

Very true! But is Satoshi alleged to have fleeced people out of thousands of Bitcoins???

No, but he got 1,5 million coins. you never know when he is going to dump them into the market.

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Quote from: gollum on April 23, 2013, 08:30:59 PM

No one has met Satoshi face-2-face, still millions of people trust his creation.

Very true! But is Satoshi alleged to have fleeced people out of thousands of Bitcoins???

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Quote from: gollum on April 23, 2013, 08:30:59 PM

No one has met Satoshi face-2-face, still millions of people trust his creation.

That analogy doesn't work.

Satoshi has no credibility issue, nor does Bitcoin because it's Open Source and can be independently verified.

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Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 08:18:43 PM

You are most welcomed to casts doubts on my hunch because I'm not here trying to sell a "new project".

In regards to impugning Zhou Tong's reputation, did I really impugn it? I think that he's done a wonderful job all on his own with that.

What I have put forward is an ideal opportunity to shut everyone up.

Put up a long youtube video to explain everything and hold up his alleged passport to prove that it's actually his.

If you or I were in his position (attempting to establish our credibility), how difficult would that be?

It's not a hunch when you've stated you KNOW FOR A FACT that he's lying about his age, his travelling, his passport, etc. That's a claim, not a hunch.

What you then put forward is an intrusive way for someone to prove their age. It just makes me think of the times when Obama was accused of not being born in America and all he had to do was show his birth certificate. When he did that, they all claimed it was faked.

Personally, if it were me, I would Skype a reliable and established forum member (one of the moderators or the forum owner).

Honestly, you'd get a better response if you didn't come from this from a "he's guilty" angle.

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Quote from: zhoutong on April 23, 2013, 05:59:13 PM

Very few people have met me so far

Name one. Just one on this forum who has any level of trust, and is known face-to-face by other users.

One.

Wondering...

Waiting patiently...

Oh zhoutong... hello? Over here...

No one has met Satoshi face-2-face, still millions of people trust his creation.

At the beginning there was no reason not to trust it. Bitcoin was worth nothing and it didn't matter.

Now, we trust all the developers and exchange owners who are known to us - face-to-face.

That was a silly conflation, gollum.

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Quote from: zhoutong on April 23, 2013, 05:59:13 PM

Very few people have met me so far

Name one. Just one on this forum who has any level of trust, and is known face-to-face by other users.

One.

Wondering...

Waiting patiently...

Oh zhoutong... hello? Over here...

No one has met Satoshi face-2-face, still millions of people trust his creation.

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Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 08:16:39 PM

Somehow, I doubt that he would ever post a nice long video of him explaining everything whilst holding up his passport for all to see.

I'm pretty certain you won't get a long explanation on video - it was 12 months ago, it was complex and it would be easy to remember something incorrectly. It would also be too easy for him to make a simple mistake for everyone to hang him with.

He ought to be able to talk for a minute or two and show his passport though.

The unfortunate thing is that all this does is prove his age. As someone said, it's the least interesting thing about this case but I agree with you that if he's lying about this, it's a good reason to doubt everything else he's saying, however, you do seem to be coming from a position of "guilty".

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Quote from: zhoutong on April 23, 2013, 05:59:13 PM

Very few people have met me so far

Name one. Just one on this forum who has any level of trust, and is known face-to-face by other users.

One.

Wondering...

Waiting patiently...

Oh zhoutong... hello? Over here...

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Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 08:08:30 PM

Hi Inedible,

What can easily remedy some of the questions being posed here about the credibility of Zhou Tong, is a nice long youtube video where he explains everything in detail (including the organized crime figure/relic hunter).

If he posts a nice long youtube video and holds up his alleged passport to proved that he's the same person that traveled on the dates of those stamps then I'll shut up and stop "jumping to conclusions" about a guy that was 17 that ran off with other people's money.

Waiting for that youtube video Zhou Tong!!!!!

I'm going to create a new thread just to ask for that video.

Hi Pangia,

That would definitely prove his age. (He'd probably want to mask out his passport number though.) Not sure he'd want to have a video of him talking about this incident though - certainly any lawyer would tell him not to but if proof of age is one of the issues, this would definitely sort it out.

I believe a credible member of Bitcointalk once vouched for his age and his word was good enough for the masses the last time this came up but I don't remember the username. Maybe someone else does?

As far as jumping to conclusions is concerned, you've stated as fact that you know he's older than 18 and through various other beliefs you claimed he was a con artist (it's part of your job to know these things after all). Personally, I don't know if he's 18 or 38 but I remember the last time this came up, I was concerned that he might be a minor and it was a bit too much like a mob after one kid. Everyone was all "well he might be an old man" and I was all like "what if he's not?". Things calmed down after a while but there were threats of physical violence at the time.

Anyway, I hope your request for the video works out. Might work better if you don't come from a neutral position rather than that of "I know you're guilty!".

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Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 08:02:57 PM

My 20 year career has taught me that there are con-men and there are victims. Victims are often reluctant to accept the fact that they are victims or will be victims.

On this forum, I'm not the one who has to establish credibility. Instead I'm the one that can question the stories put forward by an individual who has not proven anything that he has espoused thus far.

I'm not here to attempt to convince anyone to once again "believe" in me because I'm here with a new project and need the buy-in of forum members.

This person re-surfaced after 11 months? WHY?

New Project? That must be con-man talk for "New Scam".

You're making an argument from authority with your claim of 20yrs of experience in detecting lies. You kinda need to back it up with some evidence seeing as you're impugning someone else's reputation.

I don't know why he's resurfaced and you're right to be sceptical as I'm sure anyone should would be.

With your 20yrs of experience you might well be correct (that he's definitely over 18 and that he's the criminal mastermind of the stolen Bitcoinica funds) but I'm just saying that you've come to a definite conclusion based on opinions (not facts) that don't support your position which, to me, casts your other opinions/conclusions in doubt.

You are most welcomed to casts doubts on my hunch because I'm not here trying to sell a "new project".

In regards to impugning Zhou Tong's reputation, did I really impugn it? I think that he's done a wonderful job all on his own with that.

What I have put forward is an ideal opportunity to shut everyone up.

Put up a long youtube video to explain everything and hold up his alleged passport to prove that it's actually his.

If you or I were in his position (attempting to establish our credibility), how difficult would that be?

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Waiting for that youtube video Zhou Tong!!!!!

I'm going to create a new thread just to ask for that video.

Somehow I doubt that would answer *any* of the questions posed in this thread.

The defensive answer of course is to say that the video wouldn't help.

Somehow, I doubt that he would ever post a nice long video of him explaining everything whilst holding up his passport for all to see.

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Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 08:02:57 PM

My 20 year career has taught me that there are con-men and there are victims. Victims are often reluctant to accept the fact that they are victims or will be victims.

On this forum, I'm not the one who has to establish credibility. Instead I'm the one that can question the stories put forward by an individual who has not proven anything that he has espoused thus far.

I'm not here to attempt to convince anyone to once again "believe" in me because I'm here with a new project and need the buy-in of forum members.

This person re-surfaced after 11 months? WHY?

New Project? That must be con-man talk for "New Scam".

You're making an argument from authority with your claim of 20yrs of experience in detecting lies. You kinda need to back it up with some evidence seeing as you're impugning someone else's reputation.

I don't know why he's resurfaced and you're right to be sceptical as I'm sure anyone should would be.

With your 20yrs of experience you might well be correct (that he's definitely over 18 and that he's the criminal mastermind of the stolen Bitcoinica funds) but I'm just saying that you've come to a definite conclusion based on opinions (not facts) that don't support your position which, to me, casts your other opinions/conclusions in doubt.

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More interesting is that fact that the stamps are on PAGE 20 of his alleged passport. That's a heck of a lot of traveling for someone under 18.

And at 17, he's also a bronz level frequent flyer. find 1 tiny lie and everything else can be unraveled.

It's amazing that some of you folks actually believe this perps story.

Not sure if you travel much but where a passport is stamped is not a guarantee of how much a person has travelled. In some instances (a very low rate), passports are stamped chronologically but more often than not, it's random.

I had friends at school (16yrs old) who travelled over 50,000 miles a year so being in a frequent flyer band is barely a basis for anything.

Looks like your conclusions are all based on your own beliefs rather than hard fact.

Edited: Clarifying flying miles statement.

Hi Inedible,

What can easily remedy some of the questions being posed here about the credibility of Zhou Tong, is a nice long youtube video where he explains everything in detail (including the organized crime figure/relic hunter).

If he posts a nice long youtube video and holds up his alleged passport to proved that he's the same person that traveled on the dates of those stamps then I'll shut up and stop "jumping to conclusions" about a guy that was 17 that ran off with other people's money.

Waiting for that youtube video Zhou Tong!!!!!

I'm going to create a new thread just to ask for that video.

Somehow I doubt that would answer *any* of the questions posed in this thread.

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Quote from: Inedible on April 23, 2013, 07:54:16 PM

Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 07:08:40 PM

More interesting is that fact that the stamps are on PAGE 20 of his alleged passport. That's a heck of a lot of traveling for someone under 18.

And at 17, he's also a bronz level frequent flyer. find 1 tiny lie and everything else can be unraveled.

It's amazing that some of you folks actually believe this perps story.

Not sure if you travel much but where a passport is stamped is not a guarantee of how much a person has travelled. In some instances (a very low rate), passports are stamped chronologically but more often than not, it's random.

I had friends at school (16yrs old) who travelled over 50,000 miles a year so being in a frequent flyer band is barely a basis for anything.

Looks like your conclusions are all based on your own beliefs rather than hard fact.

Edited: Clarifying flying miles statement.

Hi Inedible,

What can easily remedy some of the questions being posed here about the credibility of Zhou Tong, is a nice long youtube video where he explains everything in detail (including the organized crime figure/relic hunter).

If he posts a nice long youtube video and holds up his alleged passport to proved that he's the same person that traveled on the dates of those stamps then I'll shut up and stop "jumping to conclusions" about a guy that was 17 that ran off with other people's money.

Waiting for that youtube video Zhou Tong!!!!!

I'm going to create a new thread just to ask for that video.

Pangia

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Yeah, zhoutong isn't a bad guy. Maybe a few holes in the original code, then followed up by new ownership that were more careless and - boom - shit storm.

Still, zhoutong made a valuable contribution to the bitcoin community with good intentions.

welcome back.

Once evidence started pointing towards zhou, zhou himself said that an associate of zhou's stole the password and the bitcoins. He provided this "friend's" name. And claimed the friend was involved in organized crime and also a hunter of ancient antiquities and relics. Then after outing the mysterious relic hunter, he can't or won't provide any more details about the 'real' thief's identity that would allow authorities to track him down.

I don't know about you, but I don't think it's wise to rat out a multi-millionaire organized criminal. Such a person would be likely to do something to shut you up. Not like bitcoiners who get scammed and complain and do nothing.

If you actually believe this ridiculous story, zhou knows the identity of the bitcoinia thief, inadvreallyertently provided him with enough info to steal the passwords, and isn't doing anything to assist in catching the thief.

And if you don't, then zhou is like OJ Simpson, talking about the 'real' thief to deflect blame away from himself.

Either way, I wouldn't trust him.

WOW! Classic con-man.

So you've verified all that information before making your conclusion or have you just accepted as fact, information posted on a public forum by a stranger?

You use these same analytical skills for your 20yr career?

My 20 year career has taught me that there are con-men and there are victims. Victims are sometimes reluctant to accept the fact that they are victims or will be victims.

On this forum, I'm not the one who has to establish credibility. Instead I'm the one that can question the stories put forward by an individual who has not proven anything that he has espoused thus far.

I'm not here to attempt to convince anyone to once again "believe" in me because I'm here with a new project and need the buy-in of forum members.

This person re-surfaced after 11 months? WHY?

New Project? That must be con-man talk for "New Scam".

Wonder if it's a new trading site scam.

P.S. -- you're willing to defend this perp without factual evidence to disprove the allegations against him?

Guess, Zhou Tong has multiple user names.

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Link to the thread in which Zhou introduces the Chinese relic collector as the culprit in the last Bitcoinica hack.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/statement-about-the-suspect-of-recent-bitcoinica-hack-95795

Link to thread in which AurumXchange makes public a connection between the MtGox intrusion and activity on Zhou's account.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/public-statement-regarding-bitcoinica-account-hack-at-mtgox-95738

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Quote from: Pangia on April 23, 2013, 07:08:40 PM

More interesting is that fact that the stamps are on PAGE 20 of his alleged passport. That's a heck of a lot of traveling for someone under 18.

And at 17, he's also a bronz level frequent flyer. find 1 tiny lie and everything else can be unraveled.

It's amazing that some of you folks actually believe this perps story.

Not sure if you travel much but where a passport is stamped is not a guarantee of how much a person has travelled. In some instances (a very low rate), passports are stamped chronologically but more often than not, it's random.

I had friends at school (16yrs old) who travelled over 50,000 miles a year so being in a frequent flyer band is barely a basis for anything.

Looks like your conclusions are all based on your own beliefs rather than hard fact.

Edited: Clarifying flying miles statement.

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