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May 14, 2022, 07:04:27 AM
The Ring magazine is rating Inoue as the number 3 pound for pound best. If my memory serves right, Donaire's highest ranking pound for pound was at number 4. 
You only missed a bit, Donaire's highest rank P4P was at number 3 on 2011.
Yep the problem is that was a record on 2011, while Inoue ranked at number 3 in this year. I see this fight like Canelo vs GGG where GGG can't won against Canelo (even there's will be a trilogy), so I expect Inoue will win because of his prime, the location and also the judges. Donaire need really dominating in the ring, with his current agility now... there's a gap and wouldn't compete against Inoue.

That's the problem with Donaire now he is fighting a prime Inoue so for sure he will struggle for this and  also Inoue is full of confidence as he already defeated him on his last match up. Most provably many bettor will bet on Inoue on this fight since they know that Donaire is at the peak or maybe over on his prime years.

So lets just see if we can see a good match between them here.
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May 14, 2022, 05:45:42 AM
The Ring magazine is rating Inoue as the number 3 pound for pound best. If my memory serves right, Donaire's highest ranking pound for pound was at number 4. 
You only missed a bit, Donaire's highest rank P4P was at number 3 on 2011.
Yep the problem is that was a record on 2011, while Inoue ranked at number 3 in this year. I see this fight like Canelo vs GGG where GGG can't won against Canelo (even there's will be a trilogy), so I expect Inoue will win because of his prime, the location and also the judges. Donaire need really dominating in the ring, with his current agility now... there's a gap and wouldn't compete against Inoue.
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May 14, 2022, 04:57:06 AM
Just less than a month and we will see this anticipated fight, hopefully Donaire is 100% fit and he can surprise the world of boxing again.
No doubt Inoue is very powerful, but experience and a big Heart, Donaire has that.

Well, Donaire really should be at 100%, or else this rematch will go to waste for him.

He waited for this event for a long and needs to fight twice before getting the opportunity to fight Inoue that's why it's necessary to put all his best into the fight.

Inoue will give his 100% that's why Donaire should counter that.

Hope I will be wrong but I am seeing an easier Inoue win this time. Donaire is like fighting a younger version of himself. Young, quick and heavy handed. There level of experience is nearly at par already since Inoue is already a 3 division champion while Donaire got 4. After Canelo's defeat last weekend, The Ring magazine is rating Inoue as the number 3 pound for pound best. If my memory serves right, Donaire's highest ranking pound for pound was at number 4. 
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May 13, 2022, 07:43:56 PM
Just less than a month and we will see this anticipated fight, hopefully Donaire is 100% fit and he can surprise the world of boxing again.
No doubt Inoue is very powerful, but experience and a big Heart, Donaire has that.

Well, Donaire really should be at 100%, or else this rematch will go to waste for him.

He waited for this event for a long and needs to fight twice before getting the opportunity to fight Inoue that's why it's necessary to put all his best into the fight.

Inoue will give his 100% that's why Donaire should counter that.
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May 13, 2022, 04:58:46 PM

Boxing nowadays is just for money. They are now allowing exhibition match fight with pro boxer and non boxer inside the ring with officials and televise. Boxing nowadays is not the same glory compared when Pacquiao prime era below. New boxing champs are dodging each other just to maintain perfect record and also more good fighter is now entering MMA rather than boxing.

That's the sad reality, even exhibition fights can generate a lot of money, so some boxers would just choose a scripted fight as it's not too dangerous compared to the real fight. But these two, they will have a real fight and Donaire as we all know will never back down, he is always up for a challenge and will try to avenge his loss.

Yup, some people can't really deny that huge amount of money offered if they decided to partake on such exhibition fights and aside from that, they can also gain more from the revenues afterwards so it's really tempting for them. But anyways, I believe Donaire is still part of those few boxers who chooses pride over money and this time if he will win, a trilogy is needed to materialize fast before he decides to retire.
For boxers who do really make out some exhibition matches then these are the ones who are already that famous or part of hall of famer considering that they could generate out lots or high interest
in terms of people or its fans which could really generate high revenue or profits for both boxers and its promoter.For Donaire then if he would able to beat up Inoue on this rematch
then it would really be likely to have a Trilogy and this is something thats more exciting rather than on seeing any exhibition joke matches.
For sure, nobody would indeed want to watch the said exhibition fights if the fighters aren't that known or famous in the industry. In the past, only those retired boxers who are also famous are making these fights but now, we can see a mix of boxing and MMA wether they want to fight in the ring or octagon (not yet happened) but it is quite clear that they only wanted to make some money instead of entertaining the people and fans.
That's why we should support a real fight. Fans are the ones who would dictate if the fight is going to be profitable or not, and exhibition fights are profitable because people are supporting it, without our support exhibition fights will be gone.


Anyway back to the topic, we will see this coming June 5 if how would Donaire and Inoue adjust for the 2nd time.
Just less than a month and we will see this anticipated fight, hopefully Donaire is 100% fit and he can surprise the world of boxing again.
No doubt Inoue is very powerful, but experience and a big Heart, Donaire has that.
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May 13, 2022, 06:14:45 AM

Boxing nowadays is just for money. They are now allowing exhibition match fight with pro boxer and non boxer inside the ring with officials and televise. Boxing nowadays is not the same glory compared when Pacquiao prime era below. New boxing champs are dodging each other just to maintain perfect record and also more good fighter is now entering MMA rather than boxing.

That's the sad reality, even exhibition fights can generate a lot of money, so some boxers would just choose a scripted fight as it's not too dangerous compared to the real fight. But these two, they will have a real fight and Donaire as we all know will never back down, he is always up for a challenge and will try to avenge his loss.

Yup, some people can't really deny that huge amount of money offered if they decided to partake on such exhibition fights and aside from that, they can also gain more from the revenues afterwards so it's really tempting for them. But anyways, I believe Donaire is still part of those few boxers who chooses pride over money and this time if he will win, a trilogy is needed to materialize fast before he decides to retire.
For boxers who do really make out some exhibition matches then these are the ones who are already that famous or part of hall of famer considering that they could generate out lots or high interest
in terms of people or its fans which could really generate high revenue or profits for both boxers and its promoter.For Donaire then if he would able to beat up Inoue on this rematch
then it would really be likely to have a Trilogy and this is something thats more exciting rather than on seeing any exhibition joke matches.
For sure, nobody would indeed want to watch the said exhibition fights if the fighters aren't that known or famous in the industry. In the past, only those retired boxers who are also famous are making these fights but now, we can see a mix of boxing and MMA wether they want to fight in the ring or octagon (not yet happened) but it is quite clear that they only wanted to make some money instead of entertaining the people and fans. Anyway back to the topic, we will see this coming June 5 if how would Donaire and Inoue adjust for the 2nd time.
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May 12, 2022, 01:40:09 PM

Boxing nowadays is just for money. They are now allowing exhibition match fight with pro boxer and non boxer inside the ring with officials and televise. Boxing nowadays is not the same glory compared when Pacquiao prime era below. New boxing champs are dodging each other just to maintain perfect record and also more good fighter is now entering MMA rather than boxing.

That's the sad reality, even exhibition fights can generate a lot of money, so some boxers would just choose a scripted fight as it's not too dangerous compared to the real fight. But these two, they will have a real fight and Donaire as we all know will never back down, he is always up for a challenge and will try to avenge his loss.

Yup, some people can't really deny that huge amount of money offered if they decided to partake on such exhibition fights and aside from that, they can also gain more from the revenues afterwards so it's really tempting for them. But anyways, I believe Donaire is still part of those few boxers who chooses pride over money and this time if he will win, a trilogy is needed to materialize fast before he decides to retire.
For boxers who do really make out some exhibition matches then these are the ones who are already that famous or part of hall of famer considering that they could generate out lots or high interest
in terms of people or its fans which could really generate high revenue or profits for both boxers and its promoter.For Donaire then if he would able to beat up Inoue on this rematch
then it would really be likely to have a Trilogy and this is something thats more exciting rather than on seeing any exhibition joke matches.
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May 12, 2022, 01:35:07 PM

Boxing nowadays is just for money. They are now allowing exhibition match fight with pro boxer and non boxer inside the ring with officials and televise. Boxing nowadays is not the same glory compared when Pacquiao prime era below. New boxing champs are dodging each other just to maintain perfect record and also more good fighter is now entering MMA rather than boxing.

That's the sad reality, even exhibition fights can generate a lot of money, so some boxers would just choose a scripted fight as it's not too dangerous compared to the real fight. But these two, they will have a real fight and Donaire as we all know will never back down, he is always up for a challenge and will try to avenge his loss.

Yup, some people can't really deny that huge amount of money offered if they decided to partake on such exhibition fights and aside from that, they can also gain more from the revenues afterwards so it's really tempting for them. But anyways, I believe Donaire is still part of those few boxers who chooses pride over money and this time if he will win, a trilogy is needed to materialize fast before he decides to retire.
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May 12, 2022, 10:51:20 AM

Boxing nowadays is just for money. They are now allowing exhibition match fight with pro boxer and non boxer inside the ring with officials and televise. Boxing nowadays is not the same glory compared when Pacquiao prime era below. New boxing champs are dodging each other just to maintain perfect record and also more good fighter is now entering MMA rather than boxing.

That's the sad reality, even exhibition fights can generate a lot of money, so some boxers would just choose a scripted fight as it's not too dangerous compared to the real fight. But these two, they will have a real fight and Donaire as we all know will never back down, he is always up for a challenge and will try to avenge his loss.

He will do that for sure. Donaire is a known warrior, though the fight now is more on the money side, but he will try to avenge his

lost and try to make more money if fate allows him to win and still have that good physical condition. Trilogy will be expected for these

two fighters, Arum, will see that as good promotions for his money making champ, a rematch can be called for a deciding trilogy between

them, it will bring a huge amount of interest that can be converted into millions of money.
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May 12, 2022, 06:08:41 AM

Boxing nowadays is just for money. They are now allowing exhibition match fight with pro boxer and non boxer inside the ring with officials and televise. Boxing nowadays is not the same glory compared when Pacquiao prime era below. New boxing champs are dodging each other just to maintain perfect record and also more good fighter is now entering MMA rather than boxing.

That's the sad reality, even exhibition fights can generate a lot of money, so some boxers would just choose a scripted fight as it's not too dangerous compared to the real fight. But these two, they will have a real fight and Donaire as we all know will never back down, he is always up for a challenge and will try to avenge his loss.
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May 12, 2022, 05:52:38 AM
If Nonito Donaire won this fight and the team Inoue wants a rematch, they would need to do it quickly. Donaire is getting old, as much as I love the guy as a boxer, his age will be his biggest opponent. also, if he declines (which I think he won't) a rematch from Inoue if he ever won, I'm not gonna blame him.
We will have to see what the contract between the two says, since Inoue won the previous fight if he won again I do not think there is going got be a lot of interest from the fans in watching a third edition, however if the one that wins is Donaire then I think a rematch will be possible as everyone will want to watch a third fight, and since Donaire’s age is getting to the point in which his skills could decrease then I think he would be interested in fighting immediately as well, due to the money purse a third fight could bring to both fighters.

If Donaire wins the rematch may happen ASAP, likewise, age will really affects him much. Or his team can retire his gloves

with pride as a champion though I'm not buying the pride side since fighters nowadays are more into money, practically speaking

they will look for better paychecks instead of gaining that pride. But we never know, still depends from how this fight will end

and how both fighters will agree to whatever decision they might after.

Boxing nowadays is just for money. They are now allowing exhibition match fight with pro boxer and non boxer inside the ring with officials and televise. Boxing nowadays is not the same glory compared when Pacquiao prime era below. New boxing champs are dodging each other just to maintain perfect record and also more good fighter is now entering MMA rather than boxing.
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May 12, 2022, 05:48:22 AM
If Nonito Donaire won this fight and the team Inoue wants a rematch, they would need to do it quickly. Donaire is getting old, as much as I love the guy as a boxer, his age will be his biggest opponent. also, if he declines (which I think he won't) a rematch from Inoue if he ever won, I'm not gonna blame him.
We will have to see what the contract between the two says, since Inoue won the previous fight if he won again I do not think there is going got be a lot of interest from the fans in watching a third edition, however if the one that wins is Donaire then I think a rematch will be possible as everyone will want to watch a third fight, and since Donaire’s age is getting to the point in which his skills could decrease then I think he would be interested in fighting immediately as well, due to the money purse a third fight could bring to both fighters.

If Donaire wins the rematch may happen ASAP, likewise, age will really affects him much. Or his team can retire his gloves

with pride as a champion though I'm not buying the pride side since fighters nowadays are more into money, practically speaking

they will look for better paychecks instead of gaining that pride. But we never know, still depends from how this fight will end

and how both fighters will agree to whatever decision they might after.
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May 11, 2022, 09:48:11 PM
He can go up in weight, win the belt and hopefully Inoue too will go up, so the clash might happen in the future.
That will happen if Casimero and Inoue will become champions in the same weight class.
As soon as Inoue is done collecting all the belts, he will be like Canelo Alvarez that will go up in weight.

But for now, Casimero will have to work his way to be the challenger to the belt. If he chooses to stay in bantam, then maybe he will be rank as number 1 so who knows, he might get crack at Butler and get back his belt. But that is base on WBO, if they still want Casimero and allow him to fight and force the hands of Butler and his management.
So much job that has to be done for Casimero, but letting go and accepting what happen is a good start.
There are many possibilities that both of them have, but I think more about a fight in the future where they have more weight, I know that Casimero's case is totally unrelated, but we have to bring them here to see the relevance of the facts that we can see if these scenarios they happen, for me it's a good thing, I always want to see good boxing, and what better than to see these sports artists, not only for me but for many fans who want to see the best, and I think that Inoue appears among the best For me he is a very complete boxer and he has a lot to give, this is really getting good.

I will just make it short though, Casimero is good but I wouldn't say that he is a complete fighter.

As for whoever wins between Donaire and Inoue, we all know that Inoue will be the favorite, but Donaire is the only fighter we've seen the comes close to beating him. So he still has a fighting chance it ever he plays a perfect game plan against Inoue in their fight. And if by chance Donaire wins, I think there will be a final match, a trilogy.
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May 11, 2022, 09:26:18 PM
If Nonito Donaire won this fight and the team Inoue wants a rematch, they would need to do it quickly. Donaire is getting old, as much as I love the guy as a boxer, his age will be his biggest opponent. also, if he declines (which I think he won't) a rematch from Inoue if he ever won, I'm not gonna blame him.
We will have to see what the contract between the two says, since Inoue won the previous fight if he won again I do not think there is going got be a lot of interest from the fans in watching a third edition, however if the one that wins is Donaire then I think a rematch will be possible as everyone will want to watch a third fight, and since Donaire’s age is getting to the point in which his skills could decrease then I think he would be interested in fighting immediately as well, due to the money purse a third fight could bring to both fighters.
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May 11, 2022, 01:15:08 PM
He can go up in weight, win the belt and hopefully Inoue too will go up, so the clash might happen in the future.
That will happen if Casimero and Inoue will become champions in the same weight class.
As soon as Inoue is done collecting all the belts, he will be like Canelo Alvarez that will go up in weight.

But for now, Casimero will have to work his way to be the challenger to the belt. If he chooses to stay in bantam, then maybe he will be rank as number 1 so who knows, he might get crack at Butler and get back his belt. But that is base on WBO, if they still want Casimero and allow him to fight and force the hands of Butler and his management.
So much job that has to be done for Casimero, but letting go and accepting what happen is a good start.
There are many possibilities that both of them have, but I think more about a fight in the future where they have more weight, I know that Casimero's case is totally unrelated, but we have to bring them here to see the relevance of the facts that we can see if these scenarios they happen, for me it's a good thing, I always want to see good boxing, and what better than to see these sports artists, not only for me but for many fans who want to see the best, and I think that Inoue appears among the best For me he is a very complete boxer and he has a lot to give, this is really getting good.
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May 11, 2022, 01:07:03 PM
There is a high chance that there will be a trilogy if Donaire will win on their rematch next month as their standings would be tied to 1-1 but if Inoue will still be the last man standing then I think he will go for Butler and go up to another division after he defeats Donaire and Butler respectively. In the past, Casimero is included to his plan but now that Casimero has been stripped of his WBO belt, I don't certainly think that Inoue will be interested to him anymore.

Honestly, there's no other fight that should be arranged but a trilogy if ever Nonito Donaire wins this rematch against Naoya Inoue. It's like the chapter of them should now be close for good. For sure, once the winner of this rematch is announced, and let's say it's Donaire the winner, Inoue will immediately ask for a rematch on the post-interview and Donaire will gladly accept it right away.

The boxing association won't miss the opportunity to make another round of money so if ever Nonito wins this fight, we can possibly see another rematch between the two.  Trilogy often happens when the fight record between two boxers is 1-1.
If Nonito Donaire won this fight and the team Inoue wants a rematch, they would need to do it quickly. Donaire is getting old, as much as I love the guy as a boxer, his age will be his biggest opponent. also, if he declines (which I think he won't) a rematch from Inoue if he ever won, I'm not gonna blame him.
I guess it wouldn't be called as a rematch anymore, a trilogy you mean if ever Donaire will win this said rematch just like you said.

If that will be the case, then Inoue and his camp should try and hurry up the arrangements so that this trilogy will happen sooner as Donaire's age won't stop increasing as time goes by. Might be best to set-up and pick trilogy schedule in December or somewhere in early January 2023. However if the result is in-favor of Inoue again, I think Donaire will start thinking to hang his gloves for good.
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May 11, 2022, 11:51:45 AM
There is a high chance that there will be a trilogy if Donaire will win on their rematch next month as their standings would be tied to 1-1 but if Inoue will still be the last man standing then I think he will go for Butler and go up to another division after he defeats Donaire and Butler respectively. In the past, Casimero is included to his plan but now that Casimero has been stripped of his WBO belt, I don't certainly think that Inoue will be interested to him anymore.

Honestly, there's no other fight that should be arranged but a trilogy if ever Nonito Donaire wins this rematch against Naoya Inoue. It's like the chapter of them should now be close for good. For sure, once the winner of this rematch is announced, and let's say it's Donaire the winner, Inoue will immediately ask for a rematch on the post-interview and Donaire will gladly accept it right away.

The boxing association won't miss the opportunity to make another round of money so if ever Nonito wins this fight, we can possibly see another rematch between the two.  Trilogy often happens when the fight record between two boxers is 1-1.
If Nonito Donaire won this fight and the team Inoue wants a rematch, they would need to do it quickly. Donaire is getting old, as much as I love the guy as a boxer, his age will be his biggest opponent. also, if he declines (which I think he won't) a rematch from Inoue if he ever won, I'm not gonna blame him.
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May 11, 2022, 10:26:03 AM

About casimero I don't think if he get the 100% sure support by the crowd  after these issues.  And yes he still have a  chance to fight and being a champion again.

He already got the support when he was still a champion, people accepted his style in boxing, he is trash-talker, so what? as long as he wins and make his countrymen proud, that's important, now it's time for him to correct his mistake and that is by bouncing back with a win, probably in a new division.

People need to understand that its part of branding, you are in boxing industry so you need to create noise for people to talk about you. He maybe sounds bad due to his loud mouth but actually we also need to give him a credit that he's really a good fighter. His actions is tolerable since we know he need hype and hopefully he can really bounce back after many idiot people trying to destroy his career.

That's what makes him unique from the other boxers because he can back his words and do what he have talked inside the ring unlike from the other boxers who only know to trash-talk and when it comes to the fight, they are the one who will be defeated. There are still people who will support Casimero despite of what he have done and that includes me.

Now, the question is who will be interested to get some fights with him if he is now climbing back in ranks? And will there be some promoters that will get interested in him? He will be already inactive of a year in boxing this coming August.
Exactly you got the point here mate and yes what he talk outside the ring also what he does inside the ring. This fighter has his style he can leave a message That he will knock down his opponent and then when the time has come without further notice he claim the victory by knockout. In my own opinions for sure he can get a fight and also for sure he can get a promoter too because of we made on the performance he is one of the best fighter of his division.
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May 10, 2022, 01:56:42 PM

About casimero I don't think if he get the 100% sure support by the crowd  after these issues.  And yes he still have a  chance to fight and being a champion again.

He already got the support when he was still a champion, people accepted his style in boxing, he is trash-talker, so what? as long as he wins and make his countrymen proud, that's important, now it's time for him to correct his mistake and that is by bouncing back with a win, probably in a new division.

People need to understand that its part of branding, you are in boxing industry so you need to create noise for people to talk about you. He maybe sounds bad due to his loud mouth but actually we also need to give him a credit that he's really a good fighter. His actions is tolerable since we know he need hype and hopefully he can really bounce back after many idiot people trying to destroy his career.

That's what makes him unique from the other boxers because he can back his words and do what he have talked inside the ring unlike from the other boxers who only know to trash-talk and when it comes to the fight, they are the one who will be defeated. There are still people who will support Casimero despite of what he have done and that includes me.

Now, the question is who will be interested to get some fights with him if he is now climbing back in ranks? And will there be some promoters that will get interested in him? He will be already inactive of a year in boxing this coming August.
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May 10, 2022, 12:07:29 AM
Anyways, Donaire needs to decide after this fight no matter if he win or lose and if he will still pursue his career even though he is not getting any younger. He is already vulnerable unlike these young boxers who's recover and healing process is somehow shorter.

In fairness to Nonito Donaire, he's not like any boxer that is currently in the retirement period but still showing explosiveness. The fact that Donaire established 2 wins at between 38 and 39 years of age, and take note, it was both 4th round knockout wins, how can we even think that it's time now to hang his gloves.

Actually, from what I see, he just moves forward by having a rematch with Inoue because he won his previous fights and become a champion. For let's say he loses in his last fights, I doubt Donaire will still push on a rematch with Inoue. It means, he knows that he has the power to defeat Inoue regardless of the chance.

The main objective now is how to execute it properly on the day of the fight.
The Filipino Flash just gets better in time. He can't wait to get in the ring and fight his opponent. As Donaire is not getting any younger, i think his stamina for boxing gets even higher unlike for most of the retirees that they gets weaker and lose in the ring. But not in the case of Donaire, he becomes more skilled and passionate in boxing that he even wins his fights despite of his age. Well, i agree on you, he would not long for this rematch if he thinks he's not capable to win against Inoue. He knows he can still do it in the ring.

He needs to push this as even he has that stamina that still be the big difference in fighting a much younger and monstrous opponent.

Donaire needs to bring this fight as early as possible. He can still win. There's no doubt about that he still has that power combination

that if he converts to a good execution, he will be able to bring down Inoue.

Let us witness how he will try to win this rematch and maybe a trilogy to take place for more payout.
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