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May 09, 2022, 04:57:36 PM
There is a high chance that there will be a trilogy if Donaire will win on their rematch next month as their standings would be tied to 1-1 but if Inoue will still be the last man standing then I think he will go for Butler and go up to another division after he defeats Donaire and Butler respectively. In the past, Casimero is included to his plan but now that Casimero has been stripped of his WBO belt, I don't certainly think that Inoue will be interested to him anymore.

Honestly, there's no other fight that should be arranged but a trilogy if ever Nonito Donaire wins this rematch against Naoya Inoue. It's like the chapter of them should now be close for good. For sure, once the winner of this rematch is announced, and let's say it's Donaire the winner, Inoue will immediately ask for a rematch on the post-interview and Donaire will gladly accept it right away.

The boxing association won't miss the opportunity to make another round of money so if ever Nonito wins this fight, we can possibly see another rematch between the two.  Trilogy often happens when the fight record between two boxers is 1-1.

I stumbled upon an article recently that Paul Butler might take a shot at challenging the winner of Inoue and Donaire. However, WBO might assign him to defend his title first but it's still unknown who will be his next opponent.

This would be an interesting fight since this match will unify the whole division.

Back to Inoue and Donaire, both have an experience dealing with Casimero thru heated exchanges but they didn't release a statement or opinion yet regarding Casimero's strip title. Maybe for them, it's better to be silent for good.

Probably, they don't care at all unless some reporter asks their opinion about it.
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May 09, 2022, 03:58:10 PM
About casimero I don't think if he get the 100% sure support by the crowd  after these issues.  And yes he still have a  chance to fight and being a champion again.
Whether there is or there is no support on him, he'll just to keep going on. He's still a boxer after being stripped on his title. Going on with Inoue and Donaire, now there's a turn around.
It is now Paul Butler that aims to have a match whoever wins this match. Before, it should be Casimero but now, it's Butler who's targeting the winner of this match.
There would really be adjustments specially if there's stipping or belts which is sad for Casimero which he should might able to have a match vs on the winner of this fight.So Butler would really
be having that chance.Sorry to hear out but lets just face up on whats the current reality as of this moment. This fight is really something interesting and the further events that might happen.
If ever Donaire would win then Trilogy is really likely to happen but of course there are lots of people who do say that Inoue would still win on this one.
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May 09, 2022, 03:07:35 PM
Anyways, Donaire needs to decide after this fight no matter if he win or lose and if he will still pursue his career even though he is not getting any younger. He is already vulnerable unlike these young boxers who's recover and healing process is somehow shorter.

In fairness to Nonito Donaire, he's not like any boxer that is currently in the retirement period but still showing explosiveness. The fact that Donaire established 2 wins at between 38 and 39 years of age, and take note, it was both 4th round knockout wins, how can we even think that it's time now to hang his gloves.

Actually, from what I see, he just moves forward by having a rematch with Inoue because he won his previous fights and become a champion. For let's say he loses in his last fights, I doubt Donaire will still push on a rematch with Inoue. It means, he knows that he has the power to defeat Inoue regardless of the chance.

The main objective now is how to execute it properly on the day of the fight.
The Filipino Flash just gets better in time. He can't wait to get in the ring and fight his opponent. As Donaire is not getting any younger, i think his stamina for boxing gets even higher unlike for most of the retirees that they gets weaker and lose in the ring. But not in the case of Donaire, he becomes more skilled and passionate in boxing that he even wins his fights despite of his age. Well, i agree on you, he would not long for this rematch if he thinks he's not capable to win against Inoue. He knows he can still do it in the ring.
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May 09, 2022, 12:47:39 AM
There is a high chance that there will be a trilogy if Donaire will win on their rematch next month as their standings would be tied to 1-1 but if Inoue will still be the last man standing then I think he will go for Butler and go up to another division after he defeats Donaire and Butler respectively. In the past, Casimero is included to his plan but now that Casimero has been stripped of his WBO belt, I don't certainly think that Inoue will be interested to him anymore.

Honestly, there's no other fight that should be arranged but a trilogy if ever Nonito Donaire wins this rematch against Naoya Inoue. It's like the chapter of them should now be close for good. For sure, once the winner of this rematch is announced, and let's say it's Donaire the winner, Inoue will immediately ask for a rematch on the post-interview and Donaire will gladly accept it right away.
Exactly, Inoue gave Donaire an opportunity for a rematch, then most likely Donaire would also give that favor to Inoue if he wins the rematch.
And besides, there's no other boxer in their division that could generate money fighting with him, they are the champions, so people would pay and watch them.

I stumbled upon an article recently that Paul Butler might take a shot at challenging the winner of Inoue and Donaire. However, WBO might assign him to defend his title first but it's still unknown who will be his next opponent.
That's a good requirement as he did not work for that Title, so at least for once, he has to defend it, and I hope it's against a Filipino boxer.

Back to Inoue and Donaire, both have an experience dealing with Casimero thru heated exchanges but they didn't release a statement or opinion yet regarding Casimero's strip title. Maybe for them, it's better to be silent for good.
Good for them, they stay professional and focus on their upcoming big fight.
Trash talking has no room here since Casimero is not anymore a champion, he is just now an ordinary boxer trying to climb the ladder again.
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May 08, 2022, 04:58:07 PM
There is a high chance that there will be a trilogy if Donaire will win on their rematch next month as their standings would be tied to 1-1 but if Inoue will still be the last man standing then I think he will go for Butler and go up to another division after he defeats Donaire and Butler respectively. In the past, Casimero is included to his plan but now that Casimero has been stripped of his WBO belt, I don't certainly think that Inoue will be interested to him anymore.

Honestly, there's no other fight that should be arranged but a trilogy if ever Nonito Donaire wins this rematch against Naoya Inoue. It's like the chapter of them should now be close for good. For sure, once the winner of this rematch is announced, and let's say it's Donaire the winner, Inoue will immediately ask for a rematch on the post-interview and Donaire will gladly accept it right away.

I stumbled upon an article recently that Paul Butler might take a shot at challenging the winner of Inoue and Donaire. However, WBO might assign him to defend his title first but it's still unknown who will be his next opponent.

Back to Inoue and Donaire, both have an experience dealing with Casimero thru heated exchanges but they didn't release a statement or opinion yet regarding Casimero's strip title. Maybe for them, it's better to be silent for good.
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May 08, 2022, 12:37:36 PM
I might be wrong but do you mean, Inoue vs Donaire is not a good fight for you as you want Casimero?

Better playback what happens in their first meetup that it needs a rematch. Maybe you just don't know much Donaire that's why you want Casimero for him. Casimero is even overrated. The way he is struggling to maintain his weight, how can he even match with a much more fit Naoya Inoue.


I have to agree that the fight between Donaire and Inoue deserves a rematch. Then, what If Donaire wins the rematch, then a trilogy would be much interesting.
I guess Casimero still have a chance for the Inoue fight later after Donaire.
I want to believe he's overrated, but not until he fights Inoue.
We can't deny that guy is also a good boxer and carrying much hype with his character.

Don't know what the terms of this second fight, maybe they sign a possible trilogy if Donaire will win, otherwise Inoue will be the best bantamweight and then maybe goes after the belt of Butler. For sure Donaire doesn't want the WBO stripping Casimero because he is instrumental in getting him to Probellum promotions. But yeah, he is out of the picture already and it was Butler name in the discussion now.
There is a high chance that there will be a trilogy if Donaire will win on their rematch next month as their standings would be tied to 1-1 but if Inoue will still be the last man standing then I think he will go for Butler and go up to another division after he defeats Donaire and Butler respectively. In the past, Casimero is included to his plan but now that Casimero has been stripped of his WBO belt, I don't certainly think that Inoue will be interested to him anymore.
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May 07, 2022, 05:31:21 PM
About casimero I don't think if he get the 100% sure support by the crowd  after these issues.  And yes he still have a  chance to fight and being a champion again.
Whether there is or there is no support on him, he'll just to keep going on. He's still a boxer after being stripped on his title. Going on with Inoue and Donaire, now there's a turn around.
It is now Paul Butler that aims to have a match whoever wins this match. Before, it should be Casimero but now, it's Butler who's targeting the winner of this match.
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May 07, 2022, 05:06:45 PM

About casimero I don't think if he get the 100% sure support by the crowd  after these issues.  And yes he still have a  chance to fight and being a champion again.

He already got the support when he was still a champion, people accepted his style in boxing, he is trash-talker, so what? as long as he wins and make his countrymen proud, that's important, now it's time for him to correct his mistake and that is by bouncing back with a win, probably in a new division.

People need to understand that its part of branding, you are in boxing industry so you need to create noise for people to talk about you. He maybe sounds bad due to his loud mouth but actually we also need to give him a credit that he's really a good fighter. His actions is tolerable since we know he need hype and hopefully he can really bounce back after many idiot people trying to destroy his career.
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About casimero I don't think if he get the 100% sure support by the crowd  after these issues.  And yes he still have a  chance to fight and being a champion again.

He already got the support when he was still a champion, people accepted his style in boxing, he is trash-talker, so what? as long as he wins and make his countrymen proud, that's important, now it's time for him to correct his mistake and that is by bouncing back with a win, probably in a new division.
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May 07, 2022, 04:04:16 PM
I might be wrong but do you mean, Inoue vs Donaire is not a good fight for you as you want Casimero?

Better playback what happens in their first meetup that it needs a rematch. Maybe you just don't know much Donaire that's why you want Casimero for him. Casimero is even overrated. The way he is struggling to maintain his weight, how can he even match with a much more fit Naoya Inoue.


I have to agree that the fight between Donaire and Inoue deserves a rematch. Then, what If Donaire wins the rematch, then a trilogy would be much interesting.
I guess Casimero still have a chance for the Inoue fight later after Donaire.
I want to believe he's overrated, but not until he fights Inoue.
We can't deny that guy is also a good boxer and carrying much hype with his character.

Definitely a rematch between Donaire and Inoue will be asked if indeed Donaire will be the one who will announced as the victorious one in their said rematch, there's no doubt about that as their standing would be 1-1.
But in terms of Casimero, I think he's quite far in the picture now. He have to decide whether he wants to remain in bantamweight or move up and wait if Inoue will also move up. He needs to settle his own fight and problems first.
Maybe the 1-1 standing is coming donaire and Inoue 2 is a good match to watch cause both team /fighter need to prove their best again in the ring. And  this time we can seee if donaire have a chance to win the fight  because of the training and a new strategy. If could donaire win in this match its possible that the match 3 will come.

About casimero I don't think if he get the 100% sure support by the crowd  after these issues.  And yes he still have a  chance to fight and being a champion again.
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May 07, 2022, 04:03:03 PM
I might be wrong but do you mean, Inoue vs Donaire is not a good fight for you as you want Casimero?

Better playback what happens in their first meetup that it needs a rematch. Maybe you just don't know much Donaire that's why you want Casimero for him. Casimero is even overrated. The way he is struggling to maintain his weight, how can he even match with a much more fit Naoya Inoue.


I have to agree that the fight between Donaire and Inoue deserves a rematch. Then, what If Donaire wins the rematch, then a trilogy would be much interesting.
I guess Casimero still have a chance for the Inoue fight later after Donaire.
I want to believe he's overrated, but not until he fights Inoue.
We can't deny that guy is also a good boxer and carrying much hype with his character.
Casimero fighting Inoue is something that couldnt happen specially now that his belt was stripped therefore he would need to climb up on the ladder once again and its just
a shame that you would really be asking out for a fight on Inoue. On what reason will Inoue to consider on fighting Casimero? He would rather
be fighting Donaire which it would be more sensible rather than on focusing with Casimero.  Cheesy
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May 07, 2022, 03:36:02 PM
I might be wrong but do you mean, Inoue vs Donaire is not a good fight for you as you want Casimero?

Better playback what happens in their first meetup that it needs a rematch. Maybe you just don't know much Donaire that's why you want Casimero for him. Casimero is even overrated. The way he is struggling to maintain his weight, how can he even match with a much more fit Naoya Inoue.


I have to agree that the fight between Donaire and Inoue deserves a rematch. Then, what If Donaire wins the rematch, then a trilogy would be much interesting.
I guess Casimero still have a chance for the Inoue fight later after Donaire.
I want to believe he's overrated, but not until he fights Inoue.
We can't deny that guy is also a good boxer and carrying much hype with his character.

Don't know what the terms of this second fight, maybe they sign a possible trilogy if Donaire will win, otherwise Inoue will be the best bantamweight and then maybe goes after the belt of Butler. For sure Donaire doesn't want the WBO stripping Casimero because he is instrumental in getting him to Probellum promotions. But yeah, he is out of the picture already and it was Butler name in the discussion now.
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May 07, 2022, 03:27:43 PM
I might be wrong but do you mean, Inoue vs Donaire is not a good fight for you as you want Casimero?

Better playback what happens in their first meetup that it needs a rematch. Maybe you just don't know much Donaire that's why you want Casimero for him. Casimero is even overrated. The way he is struggling to maintain his weight, how can he even match with a much more fit Naoya Inoue.


I have to agree that the fight between Donaire and Inoue deserves a rematch. Then, what If Donaire wins the rematch, then a trilogy would be much interesting.
I guess Casimero still have a chance for the Inoue fight later after Donaire.
I want to believe he's overrated, but not until he fights Inoue.
We can't deny that guy is also a good boxer and carrying much hype with his character.

Definitely a rematch between Donaire and Inoue will be asked if indeed Donaire will be the one who will announced as the victorious one in their said rematch, there's no doubt about that as their standing would be 1-1.

But in terms of Casimero, I think he's quite far in the picture now. He have to decide whether he wants to remain in bantamweight or move up and wait if Inoue will also move up. He needs to settle his own fight and problems first.

There's no reason for him to stay, he cannot keep the right weight anymore, so better moving up than continue failing the fans. If he still has the skills and he continues to train, he can still have the opportunity to fight in a heavier weight and be a champion again, who knows, so I'm not closing my eyes on the possibility that Casimero will be able to correct his failure and make the world proud of him again.
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May 07, 2022, 02:54:25 PM
I might be wrong but do you mean, Inoue vs Donaire is not a good fight for you as you want Casimero?

Better playback what happens in their first meetup that it needs a rematch. Maybe you just don't know much Donaire that's why you want Casimero for him. Casimero is even overrated. The way he is struggling to maintain his weight, how can he even match with a much more fit Naoya Inoue.


I have to agree that the fight between Donaire and Inoue deserves a rematch. Then, what If Donaire wins the rematch, then a trilogy would be much interesting.
I guess Casimero still have a chance for the Inoue fight later after Donaire.
I want to believe he's overrated, but not until he fights Inoue.
We can't deny that guy is also a good boxer and carrying much hype with his character.

Definitely a rematch between Donaire and Inoue will be asked if indeed Donaire will be the one who will announced as the victorious one in their said rematch, there's no doubt about that as their standing would be 1-1.

But in terms of Casimero, I think he's quite far in the picture now. He have to decide whether he wants to remain in bantamweight or move up and wait if Inoue will also move up. He needs to settle his own fight and problems first.
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May 07, 2022, 10:26:57 AM
I might be wrong but do you mean, Inoue vs Donaire is not a good fight for you as you want Casimero?

Better playback what happens in their first meetup that it needs a rematch. Maybe you just don't know much Donaire that's why you want Casimero for him. Casimero is even overrated. The way he is struggling to maintain his weight, how can he even match with a much more fit Naoya Inoue.


I have to agree that the fight between Donaire and Inoue deserves a rematch. Then, what If Donaire wins the rematch, then a trilogy would be much interesting.
I guess Casimero still have a chance for the Inoue fight later after Donaire.
I want to believe he's overrated, but not until he fights Inoue.
We can't deny that guy is also a good boxer and carrying much hype with his character.

But the fact that Casimero is having difficulty maintaining the required weight, that he needs to undergo a sauna, he won't stand a chance against Naoya Inoue that is fully well balanced, comfortable and disciplined at 117 pounds. It's hard to do what they do in practice if they can't maintain the required weight.

Now let's focus on Donaire and Inoue and don't mention Casimero. He is now totally excluded from this. As per recent reports I stumbled on the net, he now becomes the no. 1 challenger for his former title. He might fight Butler later on but not this year.

Butler also gives a hint that he might challenge next the winner of Inoue vs Donaire.
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May 07, 2022, 03:49:43 AM
I might be wrong but do you mean, Inoue vs Donaire is not a good fight for you as you want Casimero?

Better playback what happens in their first meetup that it needs a rematch. Maybe you just don't know much Donaire that's why you want Casimero for him. Casimero is even overrated. The way he is struggling to maintain his weight, how can he even match with a much more fit Naoya Inoue.


I have to agree that the fight between Donaire and Inoue deserves a rematch. Then, what If Donaire wins the rematch, then a trilogy would be much interesting.
I guess Casimero still have a chance for the Inoue fight later after Donaire.
I want to believe he's overrated, but not until he fights Inoue.
We can't deny that guy is also a good boxer and carrying much hype with his character.
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May 07, 2022, 03:37:37 AM
You are right, Casimero is something special, I think there is a possibility of settling things, because his lawyer alleged very convincing things and arguments, I think this could help clarify, at least they are waiting for the answers in this case,

Do you mean the Casimero case of sauna? What things have to clarify there?

The event was Livestream by Casimero's camp and even the best lawyer in the world can't save Casimero's ass from that violating the British boxing terms.

All the evidence and proofs are clear as the sky.

in this case I cannot deny that I feel a little unmotivated for this fight, obviously one wants to see the best fights

I might be wrong but do you mean, Inoue vs Donaire is not a good fight for you as you want Casimero?

Better playback what happens in their first meetup that it needs a rematch. Maybe you just don't know much Donaire that's why you want Casimero for him. Casimero is even overrated. The way he is struggling to maintain his weight, how can he even match with a much more fit Naoya Inoue.
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May 06, 2022, 10:03:34 PM
Stripped Belt? He just deserved into that particular situation considering on how many times on which Casimero do bullshit things around.

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He can go up in weight, win the belt and hopefully Inoue too will go up, so the clash might happen in the future.

But for now, Casimero will have to work his way to be the challenger to the belt. If he chooses to stay in bantam, then maybe he will be rank as number 1 so who knows, he might get crack at Butler and get back his belt. But that is base on WBO, if they still want Casimero and allow him to fight and force the hands of Butler and his management.
His next few steps are so critical for him because if he decides to move up in a heavier division, his speed and power won't be the same when he was in the bantamweight as the boxers in the upper division is much more comfortable in their weights than him while if he decides to stay in bantamweight then he should be ready to face the problems of his weights again. Cracking Butler might be his plan for now but as I said, his next few steps will be critical.

I think he can carry his weight on the next division, maybe Butler will be his next target, but what if he didn't get that chance again.

Yes, it will be critical decision for him, and hopefully he can make the right move. He has a lot of missteps following his success and I think it really goes into his head. Severing ties with MP, calling Donaire names and what not, trash talking Inoue. Not he needs to be humble and start from scratch if he wanted to be a champion again.
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May 06, 2022, 04:11:48 PM

You are right, Casimero is something special, I think there is a possibility of settling things, because his lawyer alleged very convincing things and arguments, I think this could help clarify, at least they are waiting for the answers in this case, Since things are arranged in boxing, in this case I cannot deny that I feel a little unmotivated for this fight, obviously one wants to see the best fights, I still dream that this year it will be Canelo and GGG, but the world of boxing and their business model is very broad and we would have to wait, for now this meeting doesn't bother me much.

What would they need to clarify?

Its clear as day that they had violate boxing regulations or rules which i do see that you  cant make out excuses for that.So he would really be needing to
go to the start after his belt stripped.

Donaire does have that lucky or good choice since lots had been  anticipating the other way around but still he's the one who
would be facing Inoue.
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May 06, 2022, 12:53:44 PM
The only disadvantage of Donaire's age is his stamina not his speed nor power, no one can doubt that because his oxygen tank slowly depletes as he grow older and so does the other boxers. What he lacks is the stamina to go all the way until round 12 without getting so weary because Inoue can still dance in the late rounds and that's the time where Inoue will summon all his strengths to take down the aging Donaire, I agreee Donaire's only choice is to be more aggressive and more accurate in the punches in the early rounds.
It is such a shame that we do not get to see Donaire fighting at his prime otherwise this fight could have a great chance of becoming the fight of the year, but still it is nice that we get to see the fight happen at all, and without a doubt the biggest obstacle for Donaire to win this fight will be his stamina, Donaire needs to accumulate enough advantage over Inoue during the first 9 rounds of the fight and if he cannot do it then Inoue will most likely win the fight by taking advantage of his superior stamina.
We can't do about that already as it was already in the past, the important thing is that Donaire is still improving to be the best despite of his age. I'm not seeing Donaire's age as an disadvantage because he still capable to knockout someone who will get caught in his punches.

Both have already have the knowledge on what needed to be improved and I think we will see a different version of them. As for power and speed, they don't have that much gap but the difference is that Inoue can take the punches while faking that he didn't felt anything of it and ofcourse their stamina level.
There would really be one winner and its true that both does have already the experience in between their abilities on how they do fight lets see on what are the areas that they had improved or enhanced
because they have seen it on their previous fight which it is just common sense that they would really be making out some adjustments.
This fight is something that is really that exciting to see but it would be better if Casimero and Inoue would fight but well lets just accept this kind of arrangement.

You are right, Casimero is something special, I think there is a possibility of settling things, because his lawyer alleged very convincing things and arguments, I think this could help clarify, at least they are waiting for the answers in this case, Since things are arranged in boxing, in this case I cannot deny that I feel a little unmotivated for this fight, obviously one wants to see the best fights, I still dream that this year it will be Canelo and GGG, but the world of boxing and their business model is very broad and we would have to wait, for now this meeting doesn't bother me much.
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