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+1000 , release it , set up a donation address and see what happens.

Can someone post the latest version of client or maybe update the OP with a link and directions on running.  I can't access Iota Chat right now. Thanks.

well you are free to maintain your tangle. noone stops you from doing that. and hell you can even persuade someone to work for you for free for that version of the foundation, travelling the work and talk to ibm and stuff. does not sound too hard ey.

I suggest the community cool down for a while.

The IOTA guys are doing a 'good cop, bad cop' routine to massage everyone into putting up their 5% donation. Expect CfB (aka good cop) to pop back in soon with some humor and soothing words. We get to 'hate' iotatoken, then we kiss and make up with CfB ... then we all pay our 5% and move on.

I really don't think anyone wants to take a shit on the ICO investors, they just want to scare the bollocks off of everyone, and it's probably working

No. Re-read the terms of the sale if you don't see that.

Yeap, add in official GUI button DONATE.
That's all 

I agree, and have said this previously, but when people talk as if they own us, as if we are threatening and blackmailing, they have to be addressed. Such insanity can't go unridiculed and exposed as trolling. Unfortunately online such bullshit often tend to grow roots.

PM me with a screenshot of what you see.

Whats kind of silly in this whole "discussion" is the fact that nothing has even happend yet. The 5% will most likely be easily reached, just let everyone know that we have a stable and final release and let all those IOTAs change hands that have been sold the last months and THEN have a look at where we stand.

Its just completely unnecessary to have such a hostile discussion at this moment.

 

What? What? What? The software will work, the network will emerge from the users of the software. We have ZERO obligation to work tirelessly to onboard users to the network. What are you even remotely talking about?


Ugh this bullshit again. How many times do you have to be told that the funds go to

1) IOTA development
2) Jinn development
3) Taxes (yes, we're a real company, we have to pay those)

Where in this purchase did we say we would also form a foundation and work for free for you?

I can't continue this conversation, I have to visit my oncologist to see if your posts gave me cancer.

If you don't deliver a ROAD, I would argue that you failed to deliver on the software you intended to deliver. This software with no tangle/network is not software - it would not be much of anything actually. I'm not sure how you would argue otherwise.

And again this "volunteer work" stuff. You raised +/-$500,000 dollars 5 months ago. That is a burn rate of 100k a month or so if the funds are gone - quite high. I'm not sure in which planet getting half a million dollars is = to volunteer work.

Btw, I agree 100% that the foundation and its members need salaries - I don't think you should work for free at all. Just, this needed to be planned out better. Further, and once more, there is also a glaring contradiction in saying IOTA is only software for IOT and then asking to be paid in it and ONLY it.

EDIT: Read your reply, please provide the BTC address for donations. I'm sure the community will step up. Thanks.

It's even worse. This guy talks about buying a car, we deliver the car and now he demands that we make a road for him for free too. Mindblowing.

just a friendly reminder that you were buying an open source software, issued under the standard open source T&C, should have read the T&C...iirc forking was clearly stated as one of the potential risks.

We never said strictly with IOTA. But of course IOTA makes the most sense as then the funding increase in value in conjunction with the work performance. We have had this discussion at least 5 times and we have never ever said "no bitcoin", just that we prefer the IOTA as all members of the foundation will want to be paid in IOTA anyway.

Implied threat? No. What is the 'threat' here? I feel like I am taking crazy pills.

What did we sell? Software. What have we created? Software.
The software will perform as advertised. What we want to do outside of that is 100% up to us as individuals and as a company. Do you actually think that you own us because you purchased a product from us?

What is being discussed here is a Foundation, it's a separate entity from our company altogether. It's a proposed entity that will work to ensure IOTA adoption. What is ambiguous about this? Where in your software purchase did you see that we promised to work for free to ensure your software adoption? What is this insanity?

We never sold exclusive rights to our usage of the tangle for all eternity. We made IOTA because we need it in the tech stack for our company, just like you bought it because you presumably need it for some IoT / ledger project. In that regard we are equals. *If* this community is unable to ensure what OUR vision is, then we will simply take another route for OUR vision. That's our right as human beings, we are not slaves that owe anyone anything beyond the software.

To put this into the perspective of your own metaphor: you purchased a car, yes, not a road. We have not built a road, the road is community effort, that's what open source communities is all about. What we are *proposing* to the community now is that we can create a group of focused and dedicated individuals to build the most crucial parts of said road, but of course it's not free. Why would you expect 10 people to work full time for free? I can't fathom this line of thinking.

Only in crypto can you do everything right, be 100% explicit, make people profit and people will still twist your words and make false accusations, even after they themselves have profited from your volunteer work. Astonishing.

Then why are you so hesitant to accept Bitcoins as donation? I can see that the foundation has its value but i cannot see the necessity to fund it strictly with IOTA. 

so despite all the controversy around my recent post, let's be blunt and clear, this is beta plan (aka back up plan when we as a community fail to establish a properly funded foundation).

1)iota 1.0 is launched. software prepurchased is delivered as promised. done deal to those who whine that they paid for this, certainly we all did.

2)those who wish (and have already done so by donating more than 5% or have not made a claim but wish to 5% of their claimable allocated to the foundation) to form a well funded foundation with the current vision for IOTA project that cfb and David are seeing, please stand up.

3)Regarding those who have purchases iotas on the secondary market, i believe that we can have them transferred over at no tax (or we would refuse their generosity). So the above mentioned filter will only be applicable to genesis iota claimers.

4)we will go to iota 1.1 (or better 2.0) together.

5)those who wish to go the other way of a directionless project, go ahead with their bags.

do not flame me for saying this, i am just being blunt trying to make it crystal clear and offering a way out for everyone.

tl,dr; I am not threatening any single one, everyone is free to voice their opinions and if a large enough number of people agree with an idea, we will have "the main chain" : )

so be generous and worry not of the freerider problem, but do what we think is right and best for IOTA project then people with the same goal can always sort it out together.

Stay cool,

but everyone paid different amounts for the same software. what was proportional to our payments was the IOTA token

if you take IOTA to corporations what happens with the IOTA token? will that become worthless as you intend to fork the code and issue a new token?

if you did that I'd say your reputation in crypto would end your career

In that case IOTA would start with a horrible PR disaster, comparable with the accidental Darkcoin instamine that still clings to Dash and its developer. Dont underestimate the turmoil that this would cause, even if 90% would agree.

On the other hand, if 90% agree it should be no problem at all to reach 5% and i am convinced it will be no problem as soon as we have a release and everybody is on the same page.

+1 each person here is doing his best for IOTA, in a way or another. it is unfair to judge without clear parameters. we do not need this.