Topic: Is taxation theft? - page 29. (Read 75960 times)

Taxation in the USA can be worked around like this - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20200388.

For all of those people that are ok with someone taking your money as long as the money is used for "good" with only a little bit of corruption, please list your bank account login information along with your bank wire codes. I promise I will do some good with your money. You are now bound by this social contract I just created.

Also please PM me your bitcoin private keys. I promise not to steal your bitcoins. I will only tax them.

Please let me know what sort of costume I should wear and maybe a picture with some symbols behind me to set your mind at ease to ensure you that I am official. Maybe a shiny star on my chest, an awkwardly shaped hat that shows you that I am not just some regular guy stealing from you but someone who is there to help the community.

I also promise to make all of your dreams come true. If that helps.

Reminds me of all of these socialists that go around whining about capitalism as they go to the grocery store to buy their choice of a wide variety of food with their iPhone in their pocket.

That does not matter, what I mean is the concept that people have about taxes varies from how their government handles the collected money.
What changes is just the tolerance, not the fact of being robbed

Remember to consider what it takes to be a citizen of a country. If you have to be born in a country to be a citizen, you first have to find out the definition of what that coutry is to find out if you are a citizen of it or not.

What I am getting at is that many people have assumed that they were a citizen of a particular country. They looked at a map, and found that their living location (city) was listed in that country. So, they assuned that they were a citizen. Then, when they attempted to revoketheir citizenship, they told government that they were a citizen, and government simply accepted what they said, and pointed out the law that says that citizens have no to right to revoke their citizenship. Revocation denied... or if it was accepted, there were strings attached for taxation purposes.


When you look at the details of why you might be a citizen of a certain country, you might be happy to find that you are not a citizen. If you own land in that country, you don't own it if you are a citizen, unless the government owns all the land, and only gives you permission to live there. But then you don't own it in the first place.

Think about it. You might only THINK you are a citizen. But if Government can get you to SAY you are a citizen, then you are if they accept you. And you don't even realize that you were not a citizen, but that you made yourself one by saying it in your attempt to revoke citizenship that doesn't really exist in the first place.

They can move to a new country. The chances are the system there won't be any different or better than where they already are unless it's a full on tax haven. I've been to quite a few. They're utterly ghastly and soulless in the main.

If we raise the issue that people are born in the society in which they do not want to, since to leave this closed Circle? It seems to me that there is only one way out, it is getting rid of any citizenship. If a person is not a citizen of any country, then he lagged and can not.

Nah. The people who are moaning about them are born, educated and kept safe by taxes. I'd say that was a pretty reasonable return. It would be nice to have a say in where it's diverted to or have a sliding scale of services vs payments but they're a necessary evil. The alternative is even more evil.

It reminds me of Lauryn Hill whining about her tax problems saying she was born into a society she didn't give consent for. Join the fuckin' club, darlin'.

Right. The Declaration of Independence says a natural truth. It says that all people are created equal... in their capacity as individuals, and regarding the ability to own property. If you own some form of property, and someone takes it from you without your willingness to give, it is a form of theft = taxes.

So...if someone takes something from you without your consent, it only matters if the person is corrupt to determine if someone took something from you without your consent (ie. theft).

These disagreements about the tax, may be related to each country.
Everyone who lives in a corrupt country, with high taxes, and poor infrastructure, feels stolen

Taxation for me was never a theft. It helps the government by building infrastructure that we people benefit from it. Taxation becomes a theft when the government abuse in collecting tax with the people. And i can't really see the meaning in collecting Value Added Tax (VAT). Yes, we collect taxes from the people through how much there salary is, but VAT? Hhmm

Taxation makes sense, but taxing over 10% is something I would consider theft.

Corruption is a symptom of people believing that extortion is morally acceptable.

Source?

A large part of the tax inflows are nowadays used to cover the "administrative costs", i.e to pay salaries for the government employees. And even worse, they are sometimes used for unwanted military interventions and to sponsor terrorist activities.

Then we should talk about how to eliminate corruption.

Every country should have taxes, but in some countries is more than clear that taxes are the consecuence of corruption and bad admin.

Who and how is defined the common good?

It depends on how taxes are used. Taxes are good if they are used for the common good. But if it will end up inside the politicians wallet then you can call it stealing.