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March 19, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
It depends. If government uses it for common interest/health etc its ok. But when they use the taxes for a groups interests its theft. For example if government use the taxes for building churches or mosques its theft, if they hire more officers than needed and pay with taxes its theft. It should be optimum.
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March 19, 2017, 07:57:26 AM
yes I think so. At the beginning there's no taxation and now, as time passes governments invent more and more taxes, most of them are pretty baseless  Sad
Corruption increases every year and therefore, the government need more taxes. In addition, in many countries of the world begin to crumble the pyramids of solidary pension system.

Before we speak of corruption in the government it is better if we check and understand how a country makes its budget. People who are not working in the government does not see how it is hard to finance and fund any projects and all they do is complain but never verify how the funds of the government is allocated. Though we cannot deny that there are some corruptions in the government but let us not all blame to the government since even the citizens do not pay the proper taxes and other does not work and just rely on the governments welfare and services.
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March 19, 2017, 05:56:34 AM
I wouldn't say so. Sure, I live in a country with very high taxes, but on the other hand it feels like the majority of my tax money goes to good stuff.

I have access to free healthcare, free education (heck, I even get monetary support from the state while studying) and I feel safe walking around any part of my town at any time of the day. Also, I do not have to worry about becoming homeless as we have a social security net.

Sure, there are both cons with taxes and problems with my country, but in the end I actually think I benefit from the high taxes.
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March 19, 2017, 05:14:21 AM
In general, in a good way, of course you need to pay taxes and sleep peacefully. But now there is no assurance and guarantee that this money will go to improve the country.
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March 19, 2017, 03:08:19 AM
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs



For me, taxation is not theft. It just a process of giving back to our society and government. We know that the taxes that were paid are allotted for government projects and etc. It should be called theft when taxation is done with corruption.


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February 05, 2017, 06:16:27 AM
yes I think so. At the beginning there's no taxation and now, as time passes governments invent more and more taxes, most of them are pretty baseless  Sad
Corruption increases every year and therefore, the government need more taxes. In addition, in many countries of the world begin to crumble the pyramids of solidary pension system.
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February 05, 2017, 04:09:58 AM
yes I think so. At the beginning there's no taxation and now, as time passes governments invent more and more taxes, most of them are pretty baseless  Sad
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February 05, 2017, 02:18:35 AM
It's actually more common for a student to attack his teacher than the other way round.

That is why the educational standards are falling now in many of the Western nations, especially in the inner city areas. The students have no respect for their teachers, and qualified people don't want to enter the teaching profession.

Yeah, the student must respect the teacher because they are someone who teach us and pass knowledge, and teacher wont hit the student without reason though. But idont like teacher give punishment too mean when warn the student though
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February 05, 2017, 02:06:55 AM
Theft would be a strong word to use. Well, taxation does do us good too. A lot of things get fixed like roads and stuff. The question is, are we being taxed appropriately?
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February 04, 2017, 07:44:02 AM
In our country you can feel 101% that taxation is a theft. Because they deducted the tax in your salary, and sometimes the full about of our Overtime pay will go all in the tax, its really really bad. Yes, we are obliged to pay tax but where is it going? In the pockets of the corrupt politicians. Its too bad. You put your effort and everything to earn it and in just a snap of their fingers they can get how much they want easily. Sad
I don't like politicians of all countries. They plunder the natural resources of their countries and paid taxes. Why do governments of different countries do not prohibit the work with offshore? It's a scheme to hide stolen.
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February 04, 2017, 07:38:08 AM
In our country you can feel 101% that taxation is a theft. Because they deducted the tax in your salary, and sometimes the full about of our Overtime pay will go all in the tax, its really really bad. Yes, we are obliged to pay tax but where is it going? In the pockets of the corrupt politicians. Its too bad. You put your effort and everything to earn it and in just a snap of their fingers they can get how much they want easily. Sad
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February 04, 2017, 03:28:21 AM
It's actually more common for a student to attack his teacher than the other way round.

That is why the educational standards are falling now in many of the Western nations, especially in the inner city areas. The students have no respect for their teachers, and qualified people don't want to enter the teaching profession.
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February 03, 2017, 09:24:49 PM
Governments need taxes to be able to run the government, so without the taxes you wouldn't have half of the things that protect you (from your government of course)
Government can be made to sell the things you want to you, and not force you to buy the things you don't want.

Who is more right? You or Government people, when they tell you what you want?



Next time when someone is robbing your house and the police come, tell them taxation is theft and they'll just walk away. Guess what pays their salaries? TAXES
It is often the police who rob people. Taxes are a way that Government robs people.


When you've "fallen and you can't get up" tell the paramedics that come to save you that taxation is theft so they'll AGAIN just walk away and leave you to die.
Buy insurance. Government and taxation requires you to use the paramedics when you would rather do it a different way.




People really just have to wrap their heads around what taxes do and how helpful they really are to a government.

Why do you want people to forget about the many ways Government uses their tax money for things they don't want Government to do, and for things they never use or need?

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February 03, 2017, 04:59:05 PM
Governments need taxes to be able to run the government, so without the taxes you wouldn't have half of the things that protect you (from your government of course)

Next time when someone is robbing your house and the police come, tell them taxation is theft and they'll just walk away. Guess what pays their salaries? TAXES
When you've "fallen and you can't get up" tell the paramedics that come to save you that taxation is theft so they'll AGAIN just walk away and leave you to die.


People really just have to wrap their heads around what taxes do and how helpful they really are to a government.
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February 03, 2017, 02:24:21 PM

Teachers hitting students? It must have been a different generation. I know teachers in real life and if any of them hit a kid he'd lose his job, and it's not that easy to get a job as a teacher. Most schools are full and people are employed for 20-30 years straight. It's actually more common for a student to attack his teacher than the other way round.

Yes.

For me it was 20 years ago since I experienced violent teachers, it may have changed, it may have not. Probably it didnt, as I was talking with a guy who has kids who heard that there is still violence in schools and sever child abuse.

But I guess nobody cares, neither the police nor the parents. What can I do, it's not my job to save the world.

But I am telling you that not all countries are civilized, in many countries there are still barbaric shit going on.

It's actually more common for a student to attack his teacher than the other way round.

I doubt it. But it could be self defence.

Because if a teacher hits a kid, then everyone keeps quiet, and the school covers it up for the teacher.

But if the kid defends himself and hits back, then the teacher will call the cops on him.

Where is the justice there? It is a very abusive medieval level dungeon system. The kids are very abused in public schools.
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February 03, 2017, 01:57:23 PM

Not so in all countries. Just one thing when the students are lazy but learn, and another thing is when the students don't want to learn and openly mock the teachers, to humiliate them and to show their superiority.

Are you stupid?

It's the teacher that is mocking the kids, and shows superiority.

1 guy got failed because he corrected the teacher on 1 subject that he was actually right about. The teacher was so egomaniac that he could not tolerate anyone being smarter than him.

You must be living in a bubble, or you must have gone to a good school, but from where I came from. The teachers were the bad guys.

There was absolutely no violence in my school between students (no bullies, no kids fighting with eachother). The only violence I saw was when a teacher was hitting a kid.

Teachers hitting students? It must have been a different generation. I know teachers in real life and if any of them hit a kid he'd lose his job, and it's not that easy to get a job as a teacher. Most schools are full and people are employed for 20-30 years straight. It's actually more common for a student to attack his teacher than the other way round.
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February 03, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
You do know who create the notion of charge taxes. Back before the birth of Christ.
It has been charged for goods and services rendered for centuries.
So they can not say it is theft now because it is written in laws of the Christian societies like the U.S of A.
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February 03, 2017, 01:43:40 PM

You talk as if I was never a student. All students believe teachers lost their minds. Students try to solve the question of what they need to know and what is not. Students provoke conflicts.

I am sorry if you can't realize the difference between child abuse and friendly debate, then you are a part of the problem too.

Parents are negligent, nobody cares what happens to the kids in the classroom. The other kids keep their mouths shup up, and the principal usually covers up for the teachers.

So if a teacher does any kind of abuse, they will never be brought to justice.
What you tell the tale. The teacher very rarely does the abuse. Many children behave provocatively, provoking conflict. Parents can use physical force and what the teacher should do?
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February 03, 2017, 01:38:49 PM

You talk as if I was never a student. All students believe teachers lost their minds. Students try to solve the question of what they need to know and what is not. Students provoke conflicts.

I am sorry if you can't realize the difference between child abuse and friendly debate, then you are a part of the problem too.

Parents are negligent, nobody cares what happens to the kids in the classroom. The other kids keep their mouths shup up, and the principal usually covers up for the teachers.

So if a teacher does any kind of abuse, they will never be brought to justice.
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February 03, 2017, 01:25:24 PM
There can be a situation of getting too far away. Really knowledgeable people sometimes get lost in their reality or get used to situation when small percent of students do understand their material due to better background and others don't that they just slip into delusion that everyone is getting more stupid and there's no need to go with the time forward. And, though, their proficiency in discipline can be over the top, the proven overconfidence in it, and the less so about themselves, get their communication skills and ability to teach more and more dull, and nothing could be done due to authority gained.
I don't agree with you. Credibility is very important. It accumulates with age and is very important in communication. It is not possible to buy for money. Not believing in authorities is a typical manifestation of youth extremism.
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