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Quote from: signature200 on April 27, 2017, 03:59:40 PM

Taxes is not theft, it is robbery. When we pay our money we should know what they will be spent. Unfortunately in front of us no one is accountable and the government spends the money at its discretion. This is a robbery.

The tax money we are paying are used for buying BMWs for the politicians and to wage wars. For example, the United States is invading third world nations such as Syria and Libya using the tax payer money, although a majority of the citizens remain opposed to these invasions.

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Quote from: miki77miki on December 28, 2016, 07:24:52 PM

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Taxation is not a theft, it is legally by laws of the government of each nation except in middle east country. Which I don't see any wrong with it. because it is also written in the Bible that we need to pay tax, like what Jesus said give to ceasar to ceasar and to god is to God.

The Bible says about tithing. Do you know what percentage? If for you it will be easier to be perceived, then anything more than 10% it is theft.

I think it's better to think that there are no percentages to give, you just have to give what you can and wholeheartedly give it not just half, it should be whole. It will depend on what the other people would do with it.

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Quote from: blackhawkeye1912 on April 27, 2017, 05:42:38 PM

Quote from: miki77miki on December 28, 2016, 07:24:52 PM

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Taxation is not a theft, it is legally by laws of the government of each nation except in middle east country. Which I don't see any wrong with it. because it is also written in the Bible that we need to pay tax, like what Jesus said give to ceasar to ceasar and to god is to God.

The Bible says about tithing. Do you know what percentage? If for you it will be easier to be perceived, then anything more than 10% it is theft.

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Quote from: miki77miki on December 28, 2016, 07:24:52 PM

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Taxation is not a theft, it is legally by laws of the government of each nation except in middle east country. Which I don't see any wrong with it. because it is also written in the Bible that we need to pay tax, like what Jesus said give to ceasar to ceasar and to god is to God.

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Taxes is not theft, it is robbery. When we pay our money we should know what they will be spent. Unfortunately in front of us no one is accountable and the government spends the money at its discretion. This is a robbery.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 26, 2017, 10:27:17 PM

Quote from: muffinbiller on April 26, 2017, 09:47:23 PM

Taxation is not theft, because citizens have agreed to pay taxes. This is part of the “social contract,” which is a kind of agreement between citizens and the government, whereby the citizens agree to pay taxes and obey the laws, in return for the government’s protection. By using government services (such as roads, schools, and police), and remaining present in the government’s territory, you indicate that you accept the social contract

No one has "agreed" to pay the taxes. On the other hand, they are being forced to do so. If you are living in Western nations such as the US and UK, it is still OK. The government is at least using your tax money in a meaningful way. But the same can't be said about third world nations such as India and Nigeria.

Well the thing is that no one agreed to be part of their society...
Your parents did it for you.
If thay accepted to have a child in a society then you have to follow the rules already in place in that society...
Not so fair but what can you do? :/

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I don't think taxation is theft except if it's really has a high percentage of the amount you are being taxed on. It's okay for me because the tax should go to the right place, the government. What I think of theft now on that part is where the people who handle the tax payers money, would get from that money, and that's the theft part.

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Quote from: GreenBits on April 26, 2017, 06:37:05 PM

If you don't provide for those that need assistance when you have enough, not only are you a shit, but you open yourself up to having desperate folks come take your cookie.

Donating to charity should be an independent decision.

I wouldn't want to live in a society where citizens only pay taxes because they fear punishment.

Exactly, its not charity anymore, if you do XY out of fear of state. It is form of slavery then.

I have to assume to poster above is the snowflake, that need assistance all the time in his life. To the point he considers it his "human right" and feels entitled to it on basis, that he has a pulse. Question is, does that make him a piece of shit?

Yes, I'm a giant melting snowflake, ROFL. And hell yes I'm a shit piece. I wouldn't trust me as far as you could throw me.

See above response Wink

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Quote from: GreenBits on April 26, 2017, 06:37:05 PM

If you don't provide for those that need assistance when you have enough, not only are you a shit, but you open yourself up to having desperate folks come take your cookie.

Donating to charity should be an independent decision.

I wouldn't want to live in a society where citizens only pay taxes because they fear punishment.

Yes, it should. But this isn't charity. Taxes are subsidy for participating in society, and using infrastructure. Since failure to promote the general welfare could mean civil unrest, it is in the public interest, and hence, civic duty.

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Quote from: GreenBits on April 26, 2017, 06:37:05 PM

If you don't provide for those that need assistance when you have enough, not only are you a shit, but you open yourself up to having desperate folks come take your cookie.

Donating to charity should be an independent decision.

I wouldn't want to live in a society where citizens only pay taxes because they fear punishment.

Exactly, its not charity anymore, if you do XY out of fear of state. It is form of slavery then.

I have to assume to poster above is the snowflake, that need assistance all the time in his life. To the point he considers it his "human right" and feels entitled to it on basis, that he has a pulse. Question is, does that make him a piece of shit?

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Quote from: muffinbiller on April 26, 2017, 09:47:23 PM

Taxation is not theft, because citizens have agreed to pay taxes. This is part of the “social contract,” which is a kind of agreement between citizens and the government, whereby the citizens agree to pay taxes and obey the laws, in return for the government’s protection. By using government services (such as roads, schools, and police), and remaining present in the government’s territory, you indicate that you accept the social contract

No one has "agreed" to pay the taxes. On the other hand, they are being forced to do so. If you are living in Western nations such as the US and UK, it is still OK. The government is at least using your tax money in a meaningful way. But the same can't be said about third world nations such as India and Nigeria.

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Taxation is not theft, because citizens have agreed to pay taxes. This is part of the “social contract,” which is a kind of agreement between citizens and the government, whereby the citizens agree to pay taxes and obey the laws, in return for the government’s protection. By using government services (such as roads, schools, and police), and remaining present in the government’s territory, you indicate that you accept the social contract

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Quote from: GreenBits on April 26, 2017, 06:37:05 PM

If you don't provide for those that need assistance when you have enough, not only are you a shit, but you open yourself up to having desperate folks come take your cookie.

Donating to charity should be an independent decision.

I wouldn't want to live in a society where citizens only pay taxes because they fear punishment.

Yes, it should. But this isn't charity. Taxes are subsidy for participating in society, and using infrastructure. Since failure to promote the general welfare could mean civil unrest, it is in the public interest, and hence, civic duty.

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Quote from: miki77miki on December 28, 2016, 07:24:52 PM

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

It is theft but there is no one to run, when someone steal money from you go to the police which is part of the government, when the government steals from you then who do you go to?

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Quote from: Winchester2211 on April 26, 2017, 02:04:45 PM

In itself, the taxation is not theft, but the officials dispose of the taxes it's definitely theft. If the money is not stolen it would be possible to reduce the percentage of taxation.

Here in my place, what the government officials are doing is stealing the taxes that the people pay and then, they use it to themselves or the people to make them look good or very kind who is in the position, they use taxes to make the people believe that they are really good and kind but they are not. Taxation is the most corrupted money in the government.

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Quote from: Lancusters on April 26, 2017, 05:16:02 PM

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Quote from: timerland on April 12, 2017, 03:54:48 AM

but why do countries use our money to giveaway them to people that dont want to work?

This is one of the drawbacks of taxation. Hardworking people are penalized in the form of taxes, and those who don't want to work are given freebies. The only sane method would be to terminate the unemployment benefits after a period of three or six months.

This is not the way. Those who do not want to work, they still need the money. If you remove the benefits they are going to Rob and steal. Do you want this?

It's not just people that don't want to work; it's alot of people that can't work as well. If you don't provide for those that need assistance when you have enough, not only are you a shit, but you open yourself up to having desperate folks come take your cookie.

One should provide for the common greater good, so that eventually, it can be relied on to provide for him. Pay it forward. Help your future self by helping your brother today.

LOL, and tell the IRS that taxation is theft. They see it quite the opposite

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 19, 2017, 08:07:58 PM

Quote from: timerland on April 12, 2017, 03:54:48 AM

but why do countries use our money to giveaway them to people that dont want to work?

This is one of the drawbacks of taxation. Hardworking people are penalized in the form of taxes, and those who don't want to work are given freebies. The only sane method would be to terminate the unemployment benefits after a period of three or six months.

This is not the way. Those who do not want to work, they still need the money. If you remove the benefits they are going to Rob and steal. Do you want this?

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Quote from: miki77miki on December 28, 2016, 07:24:52 PM

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

In my belief, I don't think that that taxation was a theft. Because it is legally rules in every countries, but only included for centralization system but not in decentralization aspects like in bitcoin which is unregulated industry. Wink

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In itself, the taxation is not theft, but the officials dispose of the taxes it's definitely theft. If the money is not stolen it would be possible to reduce the percentage of taxation.

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Quote from: RealBitcoin on April 21, 2017, 05:35:17 PM

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Don't forget to include the forced insurance schemes i.e. health insurance, auto insurance, financial insurance. Pretty soon the state will force you to pay insurance insurance, just in case the first insurance schemes collapse. As long as you keep your money in the bank, it's not your money. They only give it back to you because they've been profiting and expanding for 80 years. Wait until the economy takes a dive, lets see if they pay you your winnings once they begin losing.

No insurance does make sense, auto insurance is definitely not a stupid thing considering that drivers are so dumb that they cause accidents all the time.

And humans arent living a healthy life either,so health insurance is good as well.

I am not sure what financial insurance means.

The problem is that there is no competition between insurers, they are in monopoly, so the premiums are high. And the health insurance is socialized, meaning that the rich subsidize the poor, and the poor therefore wont have a healthy lifestyle because the knows that his ass is covered.

So it's wrong incentives. These things should be affordable, and private, not socialized and therefore high priced.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

OMG at least you made me laugh!!!
Yeah, the poor don't take care of their health because "they got their ass covered"
Oh man, how dumb can a human being be? xD
Are you saying that someone poor will not take care of himself because he won't have to pay for medical treatment?

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Don't forget to include the forced insurance schemes i.e. health insurance, auto insurance, financial insurance. Pretty soon the state will force you to pay insurance insurance, just in case the first insurance schemes collapse. As long as you keep your money in the bank, it's not your money. They only give it back to you because they've been profiting and expanding for 80 years. Wait until the economy takes a dive, lets see if they pay you your winnings once they begin losing.

No insurance does make sense, auto insurance is definitely not a stupid thing considering that drivers are so dumb that they cause accidents all the time.

And humans arent living a healthy life either,so health insurance is good as well.

I am not sure what financial insurance means.

The problem is that there is no competition between insurers, they are in monopoly, so the premiums are high. And the health insurance is socialized, meaning that the rich subsidize the poor, and the poor therefore wont have a healthy lifestyle because the knows that his ass is covered.

So it's wrong incentives. These things should be affordable, and private, not socialized and therefore high priced.

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