Topic: Is taxation theft? - page 57. (Read 76002 times)

Get rid of politicians. Then you won't have to pay them. Buy the governmental service you need from those willing to offer them.

Politics must be a paid profession, with good wages (up to a certain limit). Else the elected officials will ask for bribes and commissions, and qualified people will not attempt to enter politics. It is a necessity.

You are mixing all taxes together. I can understand the need for police, army and other services, but I see no reason to tax people to cover wages of politicians.

Taxes are wasted on their pensions, parties, travels. Taxes are also wasted on political campaigns and bureaucracy.

Funny enough that the criminals are againt communism. This doesnt mean that communism is good just because criminals are against it, nor it is an endorsement of criminals just because they are anti communists.

However most criminals are against communism, because communism prohibits them to own private property and do their crimes. Of course communism is 10000x times worse than any criminal you can imagine.

However it's an interesting political balance, because whenever you end a tyrannical government, it gets replaced by an utterly corrupt one, and the country is run over by gangs and mafias.

So it looks like the choice is between criminals (gangs, corrupt politicians, mafias)  or tyrants (very very evil).

And strangely enough, I have observed this pattern to be always true at least in the past 2 centuries it was.

Very sad state of affairs.

You have a nice start to your thought. But, isn't no taxes the way that it should be? No taxes, no protection, and no progress.

What will happen next if there are no taxes, no protection, and no progress? Either the people will be destroyed, or...

They will VOLUNTARILY get together and BUY the means necessary to save themselves.

In the great nations, let the people buy what they need from government, rather than being taxed. Let the receipt show that such and such is what they have purchased. Let them keep the receipts to show whenever there is a dispute. Buy military protection, just like you buy anything else. That way there will be a proper accounting for the money, and less will be stolen by corrupt government people.

Taxation for me is necessary, without it any country will have no funds to make progress. The bad thing is that some government officials wastes our money because of corruption. We always buy or pay taxes but where does it go? It's only a crime when it is used for personal pleasures of any government official.

One more addition there that about 50% of the money goes to politicians, either for state funded elections or in their big fat pensions and bonuses that they get when they leave.

Not to mention that most politicians go on holidays on taxpayer money. And a lot more wasteful activities.

The tax money chest is like a honeypot for thieves, because everyone wants some of it: socialists, politicians, bankers ,etc...

Yeah.. Same here >.< now i have learned something about how taxation works >.< i am really grateful to watch this video and thank you i have learned a lot and it's well explained and it even have a demonstration this is one great video but i pay tax and ever had an thought about i just don't care until this video i watched >.< really learn something

Unfortunately people do not understand. The Communist leaders always gather around him a band of criminals and misfits. They bring to power tyrants, and for that, with them paying the opportunity to Rob dissidents.

Ah damnit stop playing around here, you know that I havent said such things, It was a satire making fun of leftist beliefs. It wasnt even referring to you, but rather your beliefs.

You are a leftist who doesnt have a problem with wealth redistribution, but I do. That is the point that I am trying to make.

I wont even address the other posts, because you are making stuff up



So you are in favor of direct democracy too? Is that the point you are trying to make.

Because believe me it wont work out. Most people will vote left, and that would mean no private property and everyone will live on welfare, and nobody will produce, until it all collapses, and endless misery will come.

Communism has been tried many times, hundreds of millions of people died, it's a very evil system. You should know this.

Sigh
Please refer to the answer you quoted...
You don't even read me I don't know why I answer you...
What is the taboo topic? Where did I blame the "dirty burgeoise employer"?

You don't even know what leftist means you just throw that as an insult while it's just an economical an sociological vision...
You put words in my mouth without even reading what I write...
That is just so...
Do you even want to discuss or are you here for trolling? If you want to discuss please start doing so. That's not even the begining of an argument. I'll rest with my previous answer which is still perfectly valid...
Oh great. I guess that's not my duty as a human being to help other human beings glad to know that 

And even from a very selfish perspective you should help them, if not for you for your children and grand children:
Inequality leads to poverty
Poverty leads to inequality of powers
Inequality of powers leads to internal trouble
Internal trouble leads to war. Civil or not.

Just a friendly reminder that YOU are taking advantage of the situation at the expense of your children.

Ah so we finally something interesting here! First argument you give in the whole post but that's an itneresting one!

You're perfectly right in saying I blame the system and not individuals, showing that you're just trolling at the begining of the post. Then why would it be different indeed? Well the fact is that giving power to one individual will change the system, but the change will be very small and hence the system will be able to bend the individual to its necessities. But now imagine you give the power to MILIONS OF INDIVIDUALS. Could the sytem bend the will of all of them? I don't think so.

That's what is called "changing the system". It's when you outweight the current system power by providing a more important power on another side. You can do that either by giving ABSOLUTE power to one individual (that's the main idea of a dictatorship, which wasn't seen as a bad thing for Greeks and Romans for example) or to give a small power to all individuals.

You are wrong about the first part. Saddam Hussein was anti-Iran, but the new Iraqi regime (mostly Shiite Arab) is heavily pro-Iran. Politically, the US is not going to exert any pressure on Iran or Syria through the Iraqi government.

And now coming to the gas supplies. Iran is a major gas supplier, not Iraq. If a pipeline is constructed through Iraq-Turkey to Europe, then Iran will be the one benefiting out of it. Qatar is too far away to benefit directly from this project. 

I knew you were a leftist from the first reply you had made to my posts.

Leftists get very triggered from certain taboo topics 

And since you are a leftist, you are probably blaming the employer, ah that dirty burgeoise employer, how dare he pays his employee a fair wage. He should instead be paid a high minimum wage at the expense of firing the other people to gather the money for it (because the money doesnt grow out of nothing), so that the fired employees can live on the street.



Communism/Socialism had killed 100 million people. What do you want?


It's not your job to save them. You should just promote Bitcoin, Bitcoin will save poor people from inflation.





Then you would do the same evil things as they are doing now.

As you said, you dont blame individuals but the system. So if you are part of the system, you wont be "you" anymore, but you will work for the system, and do exactly what those that are now in the system are doing.

Why do you think that America is wrong? Through Iraq you can act on Iran, Syria, Libya and many more countries of the region. This is an opportunity to influence oil prices, perhaps in the future to weaken Russia's positions in the gas market.

Most of the oil and gas fields in Iraq are now owned by the American corporations. Actually, this was one of the main reasons why the US invaded Iraq in the first place. But the US government miscalculated the (financial / human) cost of such an invasion.

Loans based on the fact that people acquire property which is not earned. As a result, they fall into slavery and condemn themselves to poverty. I think what you first need to balance their income and needs.

Is it possible to put the security of the country? Besides, the world is ruled by oil tycoons, and Iraq allows you to control this market. We can assume that money is not consumption, but investment. Do you agree?

Who said that? I never said that! You're just putting words in my mouth because you don't even read me!
I'm a politically and sociologically left person, that means I believe in the incredible power of SYSTEMS over INDIVIDUALS. That's the basic difference between left and right.

I can't blame the shareholders alone, that would be dumb, that would be exactly the opposite of my ideologies.
I say they have a share of responsibility that's all...
Important point.
That's how things ARE. I agree.
Does that mean that's how things should be? No.
Does that mean that's the only way things can be? No.
No. The vast majority of companies don't move for survival but for more profits that's all.
Amazon, Apple, car factories etc... They all moved for more profits, not because they were threatened in any way.
Wrong conception of society and economy.
What you're saying is "be happy to at least have the luck of serving the economy".
What I want the world to become is "be happy to have an economy serving society".
Doesn't seem dumb to me.
I got no problem. I was from a rather wealthy family, they paid me great studies and I'll never know unemployment or job problems.
But that doesn't mean I can't see how difficult it can be for someone born in a poor family.
That's at least an interesting point.
Government should care about you, in fact they should care only about the people, not about the business (though both are linked, difficult to make people happy without business xD)
Why don't they do that?

Maybe because we have no power on them. We have no control on our government, we can't do shit even if they rape us.

Imagine we have control on government. Then it's the people serving the people... That would mean government WOULD care about us because WE are the government.

That's not what the current world is.
Does that mean it can't change? No.

Same as above. They steal you because they're corrupted asshole. A real government could pay you too. In a better and more efficient way than a private company. If you don't believe me just look at health industry (industry, not talking about welfare here) in France compared to the one in USA.

Listen to how Trump wants to cut taxes, big time. Listen to the video in the bottom article at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17607966.

They also stole a lot from iraq. Saddam's vault is now being put to use to make new weapons for the United States. Freedom and democracy!