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legendary
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January 24, 2017, 02:41:46 AM
ofc it is. how do you think our governments otherwise could run all those wars without our support.

That is correct. The Iraq invasion alone cost around $2 trillion for the American treasury. And this is not the final bill. The US is still spending huge amounts in Iraq, to support its puppet regime. Another example is the F-35 program, which is expected to cost another $2 trillion.
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January 24, 2017, 12:38:26 AM

Seems like you didn't understand. Here are even simpler words:

you work for company
you have children
company know economic situation is not good
company knows even if you're good you can't find a new job before at least 1 month or 2 of search
company knows you can't allow that
company tells you "hey, you work 5 hours more this week without being paid"
you say yes because you have no choice

Simple enough for you?

And you think that is somehow your fault, or the employers fault. If you said that the economy is bad, and make you work more, that is just how things are.

A business usually doesnt want to move, so instead of bankruptcy, they try to save themselves, and your job. Most people dont get lucky and get fired when the economy is bad, so consider that as a privilege that you can still keep your job. Otherwise just find a better one if you dont like it.

But do you really believe that the gov gives a shit about you? When they increase the taxes and introduce regulations that will guaranteed make jobs go away. Do you think they are the angels here?

Because the job provider at least pays you. But the gov, only steals from you.
legendary
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January 23, 2017, 06:20:41 PM
ofc it is. how do you think our governments otherwise could run all those wars without our support.
Wars are paid for by the Jews. Same Jews that forged documents about Saddam and his nuclear weapons and destroyed WTC.

Jews who direct where our tax money goes.    Cool
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January 23, 2017, 11:10:23 AM
ofc it is. how do you think our governments otherwise could run all those wars without our support.
Wars are paid for by the Jews. Same Jews that forged documents about Saddam and his nuclear weapons and destroyed WTC.
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January 23, 2017, 11:06:27 AM
ofc it is. how do you think our governments otherwise could run all those wars without our support.
sr. member
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January 23, 2017, 10:52:59 AM
That's where you're wrong.
What's the difference between me holding a gun on the front of your child, and me telling you that if you don't accept my conditions your child will die of hunger?
Those are just different level of threat.

If you believe that companies respect the laws, you never worked a basic job ever before.

-bullshit-

Seems like you didn't understand. Here are even simpler words:

you work for company
you have children
company know economic situation is not good
company knows even if you're good you can't find a new job before at least 1 month or 2 of search
company knows you can't allow that
company tells you "hey, you work 5 hours more this week without being paid"
you say yes because you have no choice

Simple enough for you?
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January 23, 2017, 10:49:53 AM
That's where you're wrong.
What's the difference between me holding a gun on the front of your child, and me telling you that if you don't accept my conditions your child will die of hunger?
Those are just different level of threat.

If you believe that companies respect the laws, you never worked a basic job ever before.


I am sorry but you are too stupid to understand the difference between an active threat, and a consequence of other peoples actions.


1) If you are robbed on the street for 100$ that is theft.

2) If your salary is decreased by 100$, that is not theft.


In example 1 you dont have a choice, and the fault is on the attacker.

In example 2 you have a choice, you can quit and find another job. Improve skills, make money by other means. The fault is on you, because it's your employment contract, that you have voluntarly agreed to.


I wont even respond to your other posts. If you cant wrap your head around this simple concept of active and passive problems, then I cant talk with you anymore.
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January 23, 2017, 10:43:07 AM
Ahahahahah Grin

Factories don't close because they "have to". They close because the owners know they can pay even less elsewhere that's all.
Don't put the blame on unions and workers for not wanting to work for nothing!

You say you agree 100% with the fact that workers should be able to negociate. And WTF are unions if not workers who negociate? That's the fucking definition of a union! What you say doesn't make any sense!

No. They are not shifting their factories elsewhere. They are simply closing down their factories, and pulling out of business. I would blame the unions, because they even defend the employees who went AWOL for months, and those who misbehave with their coworkers.

What's the difference?
They just put business in somewhere even poorer to cut costs and pay even less wages.

The result of their greed is the destruction of our current world.
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January 23, 2017, 10:40:22 AM


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah here we are.

Do you even know what fair means?

If I want you to give me your computer for 50 cents, you won't do it because that's not fair right?
But if now I take out a gun, put it on your head and ask again, you'll accept it.

Is it fair?
Cause that's how things work...

I don't believe an employment agreement involves a gun.

That's where you're wrong.
What's the difference between me holding a gun on the front of your child, and me telling you that if you don't accept my conditions your child will die of hunger?
Those are just different level of threat.

If you believe that companies respect the laws, you never worked a basic job ever before.

Ahahahahah Grin

Factories don't close because they "have to". They close because the owners know they can pay even less elsewhere that's all.
Don't put the blame on unions and workers for not wanting to work for nothing!

You say you agree 100% with the fact that workers should be able to negociate. And WTF are unions if not workers who negociate? That's the fucking definition of a union! What you say doesn't make any sense!

Yes.

So they will move elsewhere ,and the idiots in that country will remain without a job, they will need welfare, and that will be paid by other idiots.

A very good solution.
So we got only two solutions?
Damn, this binary world in which you live in must be terrible...
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Why not just let employers stay, they will come more, and they will compete for workers. Not the worker competes for employer. That is how prices go up, wages go up.

But leftists like you cant understand that.
Lol.
I just invite you to read about economical theories about low growth.

I'll sum it up for you: IT DOESN'T WORK
You can't have this situation of equilibrium between job offers and number of people looking for a job.
It doesn't exist by the way, show me a country where this exists.

The question isn't to be a leftist or a rightist.
The question is to understand that if you let people with money intall a "free" system, they'll just create a system in which money brings more money, widering the gap between poors and riches and so making negotiations even more unfair.
legendary
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January 23, 2017, 10:29:52 AM
Taxation has benefited us, our economy our surroundings and our country. The worst thing that taxation has made is a corrupt politician. Corrupt politicians especially tax collector and tax expert are the one who polluted the name of tax. But, for me I am agree with the purpose of tax I really think that we really need it in our country.
The greed has polluted the name of tax.
I agree that some taxes are essential, but adding taxes on top of existing taxes in hope that people can take it is theft and slavery. Government loans money and forces citizens to pay it back, bringing them to the edge of poverty. People should finally understand that they aren't responsible for their politician's mistakes. Iceland did it right and refused to join the EU and pay back their forced loans.
legendary
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January 23, 2017, 09:55:54 AM
In some ways no, since the government provides us the right atmosphere of conducting business and living in peace, Taxation is very important.

And aren't we able to provide the same without the interferences of governments? We are, and also we could do it far more efficiently if we had 100% competitive market (no subsidy, no tariffs, no import quotas, and so on). Gov is only required for the defence of national borders and enforcement of contracts between parties. Thus for these minimum level of government activity only a minimum level of taxation should exist, whatever above that level should be considered equivalent to theft.


And what would you consider a minimum level of taxation. To be frank i think we are paying so many taxes some of which ends up in the pocket of some President in Africa or Syrian rebels trying to topple a government.

I cannot give you an exact answer as it would be too much country specific, but I believe a fair amount would be the one that makes the government able to provide those minimum services I highlighted in the previous post, without falling into severe deficit in the gov budget. Also I agree with you that there is a misallocation of resources, and most of those taxes get funneled into shadow economies.
hero member
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January 23, 2017, 06:58:12 AM
Taxation has benefited us, our economy our surroundings and our country. The worst thing that taxation has made is a corrupt politician. Corrupt politicians especially tax collector and tax expert are the one who polluted the name of tax. But, for me I am agree with the purpose of tax I really think that we really need it in our country.
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January 23, 2017, 06:14:35 AM
In some ways no, since the government provides us the right atmosphere of conducting business and living in peace, Taxation is very important.

And aren't we able to provide the same without the interferences of governments? We are, and also we could do it far more efficiently if we had 100% competitive market (no subsidy, no tariffs, no import quotas, and so on). Gov is only required for the defence of national borders and enforcement of contracts between parties. Thus for these minimum level of government activity only a minimum level of taxation should exist, whatever above that level should be considered equivalent to theft.


And what would you consider a minimum level of taxation. To be frank i think we are paying so many taxes some of which ends up in the pocket of some President in Africa or Syrian rebels trying to topple a government.
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January 23, 2017, 06:11:03 AM


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah here we are.

Do you even know what fair means?

If I want you to give me your computer for 50 cents, you won't do it because that's not fair right?
But if now I take out a gun, put it on your head and ask again, you'll accept it.

Is it fair?
Cause that's how things work...

I don't believe an employment agreement involves a gun.


Ahahahahah Grin

Factories don't close because they "have to". They close because the owners know they can pay even less elsewhere that's all.
Don't put the blame on unions and workers for not wanting to work for nothing!

You say you agree 100% with the fact that workers should be able to negociate. And WTF are unions if not workers who negociate? That's the fucking definition of a union! What you say doesn't make any sense!

Yes.

So they will move elsewhere ,and the idiots in that country will remain without a job, they will need welfare, and that will be paid by other idiots.

A very good solution.


Why not just let employers stay, they will come more, and they will compete for workers. Not the worker competes for employer. That is how prices go up, wages go up.

But leftists like you cant understand that.
legendary
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January 23, 2017, 06:04:50 AM
Ahahahahah Grin

Factories don't close because they "have to". They close because the owners know they can pay even less elsewhere that's all.
Don't put the blame on unions and workers for not wanting to work for nothing!

You say you agree 100% with the fact that workers should be able to negociate. And WTF are unions if not workers who negociate? That's the fucking definition of a union! What you say doesn't make any sense!

No. They are not shifting their factories elsewhere. They are simply closing down their factories, and pulling out of business. I would blame the unions, because they even defend the employees who went AWOL for months, and those who misbehave with their coworkers.
sr. member
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January 23, 2017, 04:58:43 AM
I suppose we should resurrect Marx and ask him?


But really, all wages are fair. If a worker is incompetent to negotiate (or doesnt have a union which negotiates on his behalf), then he deserves exactly the wage he gets.


If he gets paid 1$/hour, then he has 2 options:  find a better job or negotiate with your boss for a better salary.


But if people are so stupid to not do this, then they deserve the wage they get.

Have to agree 100% with you. In my country, most of the factory workers are protected by the unions. This has caused enormous hardship to the business owners. They are forced to employ unskilled people at exorbitant rates. As a result, a lot of these factories are closing down now. But the unions still demand 12-months or 24-months salary as severance benefit.

Ahahahahah Grin

Factories don't close because they "have to". They close because the owners know they can pay even less elsewhere that's all.
Don't put the blame on unions and workers for not wanting to work for nothing!

You say you agree 100% with the fact that workers should be able to negociate. And WTF are unions if not workers who negociate? That's the fucking definition of a union! What you say doesn't make any sense!
sr. member
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January 23, 2017, 04:55:44 AM

The rich gainst money by employing poor people at fair wages of what they can produce.


Wahou great!
And how do you guarantee fair wages?
How do you define that?
Who takes care of the fact that wages must be fair?

I suppose we should resurrect Marx and ask him?


But really, all wages are fair. If a worker is incompetent to negotiate (or doesnt have a union which negotiates on his behalf), then he deserves exactly the wage he gets.


If he gets paid 1$/hour, then he has 2 options:  find a better job or negotiate with your boss for a better salary.


But if people are so stupid to not do this, then they deserve the wage they get.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah here we are.

Do you even know what fair means?

If I want you to give me your computer for 50 cents, you won't do it because that's not fair right?
But if now I take out a gun, put it on your head and ask again, you'll accept it.

Is it fair?
Cause that's how things work...
legendary
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January 23, 2017, 04:52:41 AM
In some ways no, since the government provides us the right atmosphere of conducting business and living in peace, Taxation is very important.

And aren't we able to provide the same without the interferences of governments? We are, and also we could do it far more efficiently if we had 100% competitive market (no subsidy, no tariffs, no import quotas, and so on). Gov is only required for the defence of national borders and enforcement of contracts between parties. Thus for these minimum level of government activity only a minimum level of taxation should exist, whatever above that level should be considered equivalent to theft.
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January 23, 2017, 04:42:20 AM
In some ways no, since the government provides us the right atmosphere of conducting business and living in peace, Taxation is very important.
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January 23, 2017, 03:19:06 AM
The rules are very simple. When you born in a country, you make an agreement with them. The Government says; I will protect you, keep you healthy, will provide all the basic human needs in exchange of paying a percentage from your revenue. I think it's not a bad deal.
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