Topic: Is taxation theft? - page 60. (Read 75959 times)

We must see what is true about, if we all know that our tax goes only on our politicians. We must all see what will does our politicians do on our tax. Sometimes, these tax goes on our own health/education, but sometimes it goes only on the pocket of our politicians.

Right. And one of the things that robots will never be able to do as well as people is research. So do something practical. Get into research and find ways to allow people to live for a thousand years. Robots will never be able to do this. And what good is anything if you're going to die in less than a hundred years and lose it all?

Isnt that the exact opposite? You look like you are a socialist who is saying that out of irony.


But why not say that both cases are theft. Neither the rich nor the poor should be stolen from.


The rich gainst money by employing poor people at fair wages of what they can produce.

It's not their fault that people are unproductive lazy fucks, and that robots will be more productive.


People need to evolve and find other ways to make money, not from labor, because robots will replace that.


So stop crying and stop this leftist nonsense.

Yes, we all see there are allotted to infrastructure development and education/healthcare, sometimes some projects of our local government. But we are always have a doubt about the administration and other local government if our tax is well spent to develop and where will our money goes, and where our taxes will go?

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I think it's the first time we agree on something!
Indeed, when you look in details even infrastructure investments are mainly just a sign of corruption...
That's why we should have the right to get rid of the people we elected whenever we want.

Nowadays only a small part of the tax revenues are allotted to infrastructure development and education/healthcare. The rest is eaten up by the defense forces and the administration wing. And a large part of the money allotted for infrastructural projects are stolen by corrupt officials and bureaucrats.

I'd be happy to pay 10%. Nowadays people are paying over 20% and have to pay VAT and excise on top of it, leading to something like 35-40%. This is a modern day slavery!
I always wonder why do people allow for this. Why don't we have protesters in the streets demanding the income tax to be cut by half?

You listened to election rhetoric Trump? If you're really an American then welcome to hell. At least a year America will be a fever and it may very well happen that you do not where to pay taxes. Trump collapse of the economy.

as an american I believe taxation of the rich is theft but taxation of the poor is charity

taxation is good unless it is not use for what it I'd meant for,tax is use for building the economy, e.g construction of roads ,bridges, hospital and other useful things but if it use for other thing which does not benefit the people or due to corruption that means it I'd not good

That is precisely the problem with taxes, in a deep level you think, well they need to run a country so I need to pay, but then they get greedy and they try to get more and more until the people get really mad about it, things can get so bad some governments get overthrown because of it.

If the person does not want to work and lives off benefits, I'm against. I wish to pay them their money. Another thing is if my money will go to purchase construction materials, and the unemployed will be free to build bridges.

Looking at it from the position of the taxpayer then its stealing from the moral point because for someone who does not work with you, labour in the sun with you now staying some where asking to give him a share of the income, if that is not theft then tell me what it is? On the otherhand, looking it from the position of government means if this citizen wants good roads or school, bridge, payment of salaries among other things, do they expect me to use my money? Then they have to pay for it so its not stealing. Now from what we have now in this world today, Taxation is not theft because it has been legalized.

Any state is the exploitation of man. Officials steal, the population tries not to pay possible taxes and the government believes that people steal. In the end, all are thieves. Unfortunately methods of dealing with this are not yet invented.

Tax is a necessary evil if we wish to live in a society with police, fire stations, roads and garbage collection. There are many reasons to pay taxes that benefit us. Schools for our children and care for the elderly.

The big problem I have with taxes is when I get taxed on money that I have already been taxed on.

I pay income tax and its quite a lot. So now that I have paid tax on my income why do I have to pay tax on something I'm buying with my income? How about when they are taxing us without telling us. Like taxes on gasoline PLUS the sales tax. WTF. How can I pay tax on tax? Thats right fucked and the legal arm of our governments should be doing something about this robbery. I guess all you can do to get ahead is steal like they do.

If you voluntarily pay taxes that it is not robbery. And who voluntarily pays them? Probably still a robbery. If officials have not stolen the money from taxes then I think that people in all countries live well. I do believe that more than 10% is robbery.

Lol, that is not how it works.

First of all by saying "I think" i suggested that it was my opinion, not a universal truth, nor an advice.

Secondly, by warning somebody about a danger, is not the same thing as actually doing the danger.


I probably assumed that you are not a lawyer, and thus putting out legal info is not wise, and in some jurisdiction might even be illegal, without a lawyer license.

People might take that info as a legal advice, and if they fail, then the responsibility could be on you.

So I think at least you should have put some disclaimer at the bottom of that post, warning people that you are not a lawyer.



But again these are just my thoughts, I know little about these things.






I think that is some pseudo law right there.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pseudolaw


Many libertarians like to play around with that, until they get fucked by it.

The truth is that you can interpret the law in infinite many ways, almost every word you sad could be interpretend in a lot of ways. And it's not you who will interpret them, but an authority.

So basically, you have no rights, because the authority will say what you have and what you dont, whenever they feel like it, and they can justify it however they want.

It's the position of authority that is the ultimate judge either way, so it would be like a rabbit going to a lion's court for a trial about the dinner. The rabbit might argue, but eventually he will be the dinner either way.

I know, I was just pointing out the contradiction in your statement.

You said you can allocate your money to be spent on whaever you want, but if the not paying is not on the table, that means that you actually dont have that right.

Or in other words, you can pay others but you cant pay yourself. Which means that you dont have a right to your money, you have to give it away.

So you have to wait for other people to give you money because you cant have your own money.

And then you are at the mercy of other people.

Complete insanity.

Well, when you said that you didn't think I should be giving legal advice, weren't you giving me legal advise? After all, I wasn't advising anyone of anything. I was just expounding some info. But you were talking to me, that is, advising me about a legal aspect.



The law applies to government people more than it applies to the rest of us. Why? Because they took an oath to uphold the Constitution... meaning everything that flows out of it as well. Many of the rest of didn't take such an oath.

This means, that you and I have the power of the law to use against them if they do wrong, way more than they have it to use against us. Why? Because they took an oath... signed a contract... to uphold government. You and I didn't. Our name is not listed on any contract. The laws do not apply to us until we accept them as applying to us.

Our legal and lawful strength over government people is way stronger than theirs over us.

Consider. Who can arbitrarily make a law and say that you have to obey it. Your neighbor? The guy down the street? Neither can the people of government arbitrarily make laws  that you have to obey. You have to have some form of acknowledgement of those laws before any of them apply to you.

If you don't understand this, you are a long ways away from freedom.

Well for me It's not a theft because it is the citizen obligation to pay tax to the government it becomes a theft for me when the government abuses the taxation and put tax in anyting they think they can be tax , here in the philippines they planning to tax when buying some make ups , gadgets and anything that contains sugar , what do you think guys? is this abuse or will this benefit the majority? well for me its an abuse