Topic: Is taxation theft? - page 61. (Read 75959 times)

Dosen't work that way, they let you allocate a percentage of your taxes to what you want it to be used on, E.G: Health and care, Improved infrastructure, Research, Military, and so on.

You can't allocate your taxes to not pay, you have to pay, you just get to choose how your money will be spent.

Really, like which one?

What if a person chooses to allocate the tax money on himself, a.k.a not paying taxes. What will happen then?

Taxation is a necessity for government to function and balance its budget, for the majority of the governments, its also generally a safe way to gain revenue, and sometimes the only way for the government to gain revenue.

Some governments allow the tax-payer to choose how much money to allocate to what, that in my opinion is the right way to do taxes as people feel more contributive, rather than being forced into throwing cash without having much of a say on how its spent.

Some things are quite important for tax money, E.G: Firemen, Police (Althrough some can consider them bad, they are quite important) and so on.

The problem with your first statement is there is no government that is effective in using money to produce benefits since governments by definition create a bureaucracy that consumes a part of the taxes collected and that does not take into account corruption.

No, i'm not a lawyer and i havent put out any legal advice here. What makes you think I did?


Yes they are people with the power of an army behind them, so it doesnt matter if they are wrong, you can appeal I think 3 times and then you are toast.

So if you find 3 bad judges, you are toast. That is the system for you.

So if 50% of the justice system is corrupt, then you have a 12.5% chance of losing a court case, no matter how right you are.

Not everyone, otherwise  the local currencies would be worthless, and everyone have to be imported.

There are many people in manufacturing, but they are paid so little, because they need to sustain this system.


people dont bite the hand that feeds them

Agreed. For example, the United States spent more than $2 trillion to invade Iraq. And they still have not achieved their objectives. That money should have been better spent on education and healthcare.

Right. Start by filing a W-4 with your employer that has "n-a" on all the lines, but "EXEMPT" on line 7. Then sign it "non-assumpsit, your signature." And sue your employer if he doesn't stop withholding.

Since the W-2 is hearsay, and nobody will step up and swear in court that the amount on your W-2 is your gross income (unless you have signed some document saying that it is), nobody can prove what your gross income is.

Stand as a man/woman, without representation. Attorneys argue what the law is all the time. How does anyone think that you will ever understand it. You have an out there.

In court, if a person stands unrepresented, but rather, present, and requires an injured man or woman come forth to accuse him of the injury, there is no case without real injury. Standard law. But you have to stand not represented to use it.

Standard law is the way out regarding the IRS. Start by studying Karl Lentz, and then putting it all into action.

http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html = Angela Stark's Talkshoe.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5duR4OvEHHxOSdEZhANETw = TrustInAllLaw snippets of Karl's audios.

http://www.broadmind.org/ = Karl's main page.

http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/ = Karl's United Kingdom page.

http://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos?view=0&live_view=500&flow=grid&sort=da = Craig Lynch's snippets page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D = Ten great Youtube videos, might be the best introduction to Karl.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=127469&cmd=tc = Karl's Talkshoe site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iua56K4Mysk = Karl Lentz - The Brian Bonar Incident - YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdHLHWS4gPE = Lentz-Sense - don't be a More~On - YouTube.


Other Info

http://voidjudgments.com/ = The Secret is most judgments are Void on their face and not merely voidable.

http://educationcenter2000.com/Trinsey-v-Paglario.htm = Trinsey v. Pagliaro - Attorneys cannot "speak" in common law trials if the one who is bringing the suit orders it. Holding from Trinsey v. Pagliaro: "An attorney for the plaintiff cannot admit evidence into the court. He is either an attorney or a witness."

Taxation where collected revenues are spent effectively to produce tangible benefits equal to the taxes collected are not theft.

Wasteful, destructive, spending on the part of a state which destroys wealth, productivity and innovation (currency might be said to represent these things) however could be considered worse than theft.

The people should really participate and do their job as well. Everyone should speak up and share their thoughts and opinion on things. This is one way to regulate those government acts that are obviously deemed useless and abusive.

Well, we are almost to the point of everyone working for Government right now... except if they are on welfare.

Oh but they have a lot of refugees, and if they keep coming in without contributing to the system, the system will quickly collapse.





My problem is that economics teaches people that government spending increases the economy.

Which means that technically employing a person to dig a hole at morning and fill it up at afternoon, is a potential job.

Now imagine if every single person would be a holedigger, all employed by the government.

What would the economy look like?

That only happens if you live in the 3rd world, the usa or communist nations like russia.

Reason why you dont see scadinavians crying about wars bad roads and a shitty universal healthcare system.



Decide what your problem is:

1. Corruption

Or

2. Material attrition

Because you are mistaking one for the other...

Yep. And this is pretty much why I believe that taxation on its own. Its process and its concept is not 'theft' on its own. The government who uses the funds for their personal gain are the ones who are the thief who steals from the people.

As we can see, taxpayers paid for their own, but they did not know where their tax goes? We cannot assure that our local government uses the tax wisely? Also we do not know where are tax goes, is it for our own needs? Is it goes to the streets and house? Is it for developing our own country?

But it isn't ever fair. Let's say your taxation helps provide 10 government benefits. But you only have need of one of them.

Somebody else only pays enough taxes to cover 5 benefits. But he uses 10.

Not fair.

Let people buy their benefits. If they don't like the price, don't buy them. There are plenty of charitable, non-government organizations that give benefits to the poor. In some cases Government won't even let them do this.

Taxation is completely wrong.

For private companies then.
If your government doesn't pay for community needs, it's simply exploiting you.
It's not new sadly.
It's not the taxes that are to blame, but the greed of your politicians and the inaction of the people.

Of course it's not theft. you are getting something in return for the taxes you pay.