Topic: KanoPool kano.is lowest 0.9% fee 🐈 since 2014 - Worldwide - 2432 blocks - page 14. (Read 5352067 times)

Thank you for detailed information @ wavelengthsf and kano

One has to ask: Why?
Even a RasPi-3 has a 64-bit CPU. What, does someone want to run the software on a Pentium under Win95?

No.

Being able to find a share is not enough proof that a miner works.
A testnet block is actually pretty much the same as a bitcoin pool share.
A miner needs to be able to handle 64 bit shares before it is at least considered tested.
Their code is hidden, so you can't check it either.

A block is just a share with much higher difficulty, the miner doesn't need to know when a share is a block.

Genesis, running buggy software that didn't handle 64 bit shares, was the reason slush lost 28 blocks in a month back in Dec 2015

Alas the apollo team has already claimed that being able to mine any share is good enough testing of their miner.
It's certainly a concern that they sell a miner that isn't even properly tested but leave testing up to the people who buy the miner.

However, I do already know that it works for greater than 32 bit shares.
Someone else has run the miner long enough solo mining on my pool to prove that.
I wonder what their response would have been if I had found proof that the miner didn't handle 64 bit shares ...

Alas apollo has stated that they will create a 32 bit version of their miner, and who knows if that will work, or how to identify the 32bit version.
So until I can see that the 32 bit versions also works, it will continue to be restricted to solo.

The risk is that a share for the mainnet needs a 64 bit number, and without looking at the source of the miner, you don't know they're handling it well. I've gotten shares as high as 17G with my apollo on the mainnet.

User „wavelengthsf“ said he found a block on the testnet. Isn‘t this enought to confirm that the Apollo can find a block?

last block was a year ago (359 days 20h 7m) but the pool is very small - and is due for a block any day. If the pool was to increase in hash the variance between blocks would decrease

How many blocks/day/week/month are you solving now? I am pool shopping.

I was asked about how to use a rental here on Solo, and after much digging and watching the data packets between Craphash and the pool,
I discovered that the problem with doing that with ckpool, is that ckpool does the miner connection badly.
It always sends the pool default work difficulty before the miner validates their username/address and before sending the account difficulty setting.
For a miner this doesn't really matter, but for mining on Craphash, they look at the first work difficulty and thus wont allow it.

Clearly a certain person knew about this since it's his code, and he's had to allow Craphash mining on his solo pool, but he never bothered to fix the code.

Sooooo ... I ran some proxy rental runs using Craphash, since I guessed a proxy in front of the pool would work around this bug.

As mentioned in Discord on various occasions, while there are 2 KanoPool account types people can get: PPLNS and Solo, I have a 3rd account type called Override that gets no rewards, the shares are ignored when calculating rewards, but any blocks it finds goes to everyone on PPLNS.
i.e. live testing that has no negative effect on the miners, but a possible positive effect if it finds a block
I used about a 1 in 66 gamble in multiple runs, but alas no high enough share.

But anyway, the actual point of this post is to point out that Craphash steals between 2% and 3% of your BTC, so I don't suggest anyone should use them.
When you make an order, they take 3% as their start fee, however the actual amount of work you get, in all of the multiple runs I did, received between 2% and 3% less hashes than the 97% it should have.

You can of course work out what you should get quite simply.
If you are paying, say a high 0.0095 BTC/PH/Day and you use 0.2 BTC, then the amount of work you've paid for is:
0.97 * (0.2 / 0.0095) * 10^15 * (60 * 60 * 24) / (2^32) Diff
(3% fee) * BTC you paid * PH * 1Day / 1Diff
So in this case, 423.5G Diff

Alas you will find you will get less than 415G Diff (-2%)
Your worker will show these numbers if it's a new worker that starts at zero and you add :Diff + Invalid
(or write down what it was before you start mining the rental to it)

All pool, miner, proxy or accounting systems calculate hash rate from Diff, so they know how much Diff you are getting and use that to determine when to disconnect you.
They choose to disconnect you very much early between 2% and 3% early to be exact.

Oh well.

Kano.is is the one that exists, this is KanoPool that's been running since 2014, not the other pool that shut down.

Whats the difference between CKpool and Kano.is? They seem totally different but i always seem them together.

Anyone who was mining on the pool with an apollo, it's blocked from mining PPLNS - only allowed mining Solo.
As mentioned in their thread, they've not bothered to do proper block level testing, so they're relegated to Solo for now.


... and to be blunt, I've no idea why anyone would do that testing for them, since they've written the code, you'd expect they'd test it properly.
Reminds me of the SPLNS pool that lost a block at the start coz apparently everyone there agreed to test ck's untested code for him ... that failed on the first block found by the miners ... so they all got nothing for that.


Edit:
It would appear that someone has done some Solo testing for "them", but alas "they've" stated that they'll release a 32bit version which directly relates to one of issues that loses blocks.
So for the time being, it will stay as Solo only.

Edit2: the apollo doesn't do asicboost - which basically means it wastes 10% of it's hashing.

The stupid thing is, if you click on the link that says the API is missing, it takes you to the API page with the actual data on it they need.

I wonder if they are just hitting it too often, do you have a rate limit on that page kano?

Here.
https://kano.is/ ...

can anyone advise a good one mining pool for newbies?

thats so bad

the site must report accurate information no matter if they like the link or not

the pool is there but says API error and with number lower number when should be near 29

Others (and myself) have given them the link that provides the hash rate and timestamp on multiple occasions, then it shows up there for a while, but it keeps disappearing off their site soon after.
No idea what the issue is, but is seems they don't like the link

https://miningpoolstats.stream/bitcoin

i have mined in this pool since 2014.
I have sent these guys a message to add KANO pool but the api is missing
this is a good advertisment for the pool
can you fix this Kano.

I,ve just send you a PM

Thanks for cleaning this uo for me!

 

I have no idea what that post was other than guessing that someone on the forum sent you a scam message.

Just ignore it.

I understand, it is more like a "lottery" and experiment, than what can be obtained.
And with an Antminer S9 ... electricity cost 0.00€/kwh
I'm looking at websites like whattomine.com, and theoretically it gets about 4.7$/day (which is probably a little less...).

Thank you very much!