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December 18, 2023, 03:05:26 AM
#46
Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.
blue collar are just as mentally drained but just in different perspective you can imagine going out to do work and get condescending remark from some random even from the one that used the service, its mentally exhausting deaing with some random people. not to mention the fact that they are paid less for doing hard work, many underestimate the job of blue collar but nobody want to do it because they know how hard this can be sometime and also the salary is small.

even more so with the fact that some people out there just got that simple minded thinking, that are detached from reality where the fact that they are living leisurely, is thanks to these blue collar worker that did the dirty job for them, they should be respectful with these people because without them they surely are the one that gonna be doing the dirty job moreover, the fact that they mostly got underpaid should be a problem aside from the disrespect that they got but nah some people think its their privilege to disrespect those worker, but I do agree that its more of societal problem.

I think these blue collar worker deserve a raise tbh.

Aligned, but guess what's more alarming? People are saying that people get paid based on the business and revenue they bring and thus justify white collar jobs getting paid more than blue collar and at the same time they are worried as well that if the blue collar will get paid in par with white collar then the white collar will get demotivated and some are saying if they get paid in par with white collar and if they decide doing blue collar jobs then what will happen who will do their jobs.

This just shows our sick mentality we are saying they don't deserve pay scale which white collar gets and at the same time we are worried who will do their job if they earn more and quit. This is the real problem we have already classified then as downtrodden which is the harsh reality.

People need to change their mindset and everyone deserve pay as per their efforts and hardwork.
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December 18, 2023, 03:05:22 AM
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Since the world economy has been of challenges, there has also been economical and commercial challenges amongst the masses that due to the fact of striving to meet up with the living demands, the labour markets and other industrious sectors acts so sentimental  segregating between the white collar and the skillled labour jobs whereas both a man-power and intellectual possessions are all relevant but due to over-hyping, the white collar job is more regarded to the skill or manpowers job but fails to understand that even at its different measures, yet they both posseses intellectual possessions  Maybe the white collar job has more  intellectual professionalism intellectual to offer than the skill based job but yeah of course the skill-based has more muscular applications.
Each differences has posseses a unique offer that should be regarded in a payment ratio.
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December 18, 2023, 03:02:01 AM
#44
Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?
I'm not sure if you see some skilled labor in other countries, I don't think it's necessary. They are paid quite decently.
In my country, the government has intervened in how rich people or companies have to pay employees roughly according to the standard cost of living. It's not discrimination, most employees aren't professionals. I mean, if you're a professional, you can set your own rates.
After all, the white collar job market is full of competition, you're not alone in fighting for a position. So they deserve to be paid exclusively, sometimes they feel oppressed
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December 17, 2023, 11:09:02 PM
#43
There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.
This difference will always exist as long as humanity lives. It's not about who puts in more physical effort, but who puts in more mental effort. Knowing this will allow you to understand how it all works.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?
No matter what correction you make, the market itself will regulate everything according to its own laws. The less you try to influence it, the more balanced everything works.

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

White-collar workers receive higher salaries not because they are more exhausted, but because mental work is valued more than physical work. Anyone can swing a shovel, but not everyone can sort out pieces of paper. Smiley

There will always be many people willing to do unskilled menial work. You always want to eat, but few have the desire to learn. So don't worry. This world will rot for a very long time. Smiley

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.
The value of these employees is very low, because there is always a queue of similar people waiting to replace them. Don't want to be one of them? Then gain value as a specialist. The presence of rare and in-demand professions will contribute to this.
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December 17, 2023, 08:16:32 PM
#42
Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.
blue collar are just as mentally drained but just in different perspective you can imagine going out to do work and get condescending remark from some random even from the one that used the service, its mentally exhausting deaing with some random people. not to mention the fact that they are paid less for doing hard work, many underestimate the job of blue collar but nobody want to do it because they know how hard this can be sometime and also the salary is small.

even more so with the fact that some people out there just got that simple minded thinking, that are detached from reality where the fact that they are living leisurely, is thanks to these blue collar worker that did the dirty job for them, they should be respectful with these people because without them they surely are the one that gonna be doing the dirty job moreover, the fact that they mostly got underpaid should be a problem aside from the disrespect that they got but nah some people think its their privilege to disrespect those worker, but I do agree that its more of societal problem.

I think these blue collar worker deserve a raise tbh.
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December 17, 2023, 06:29:48 PM
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This varies country by country. In some countries, certain blue collar jobs like carpentry, plumbers, technicians make more money than most entry level white collar jobs. How we treat people who work for us is a societal problem not an economical one. People with formal education tend to feel superior over those with lower or no degrees. In my country, parents encourage their children to learn a skill to add to their university degrees. It’s often a good thing to have a skill you can put to good use if you can’t get a decent white collar job.
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December 17, 2023, 06:23:53 PM
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There shouldn't be any discrimination whatsoever because both have their requirements to set one aside and better rich in the future than in the present if the rules and conditions of learning and implementation is to be considered.

Whether blue or white collar, the existence of both creates a balance in the workforce because no one person of whom I have seen taking paycheck from this blue collar will have the brains most times to sit and learn how to apply the use of computers because that's simply the life they have chosen and settled in to for.
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December 17, 2023, 06:07:27 PM
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Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.
That might just be the case as, there isn’t a scale to measure and correlate mental effort/stress with those of the physical. Surely, both part to a business is needed to ensure growth but their have got to be some differences and reasons as to why which involves, having to spend the time and resources in going through some recognized institution of learning on acquiring skill on a course. It’s never easy.

That doesn’t mean those in the field and doing remote jobs of their own skill aren’t making some good money for themselves. If your that good, after being attached to a firm for such a good number of years, you could as well save up and start your own firm, let your past jobs market you and you will see the returns for having a skill even without classroom education.
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December 17, 2023, 04:38:42 PM
#38
We live where social mobility and social strata are upheld, so in this case there are several things that can indeed be used as a reference why there are differences in treatment like that.
I would not consider it bad because in the end, regardless of whether it is fair or not, we must also realize that sometimes this is also needed as a form of a person perspective and values.
Not that i like arbitrary treatment, especially for those workers who are sometimes forced to do work that is not in accordance with their salary, but on the other hand we now live where when we cannot survive then we will be colonized so that when we want something worthy of ourselves then we must adapt ourselves to what is happening now, for example for work problems we must also be able to compete so that we are still seen and paid according to the abilities we have.
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December 17, 2023, 03:41:58 PM
#37
There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.
With the increasing development of robots and AI, many people are currently really worried about the challenges that will occur in the future, especially jobs such as customer service, drivers, heavy equipment operators and so on which are predicted to disappear in the future, however to eliminate the role of humans in the types of work as above will not be easy, a human touch is really needed especially to operate it.
Anyway, we don't need to go too far into discussing jobs that will disappear in the future, let's discuss further about discrimination in salaries for unskilled workers, here too it is still a common problem, the only ones who get paid well are those who are in the high positions, while unskilled workers always receive bad treatment and small salaries, which makes them continue to feel useless in this life, and practices like this have been going on for years without any government intervention in arresting workers as equals, even today, the government does not have a meaningful solution for unskilled workers and laborers.
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December 17, 2023, 03:17:16 PM
#36
There is no discrimination. It is just supply and demand, basic economics. It is also not the same in every country. In some countries white collar and blue collar workers nearly work for the same salary. Maybe it is different in the US… Not every white collar job gets the same salary anyway. A brain surgeon and a customer support dude are both white collars but we know that a brain surgeon will make way more money. If you tax the shit out of everybody like they do in Europe, then there won’t be any difference between blue and white collar jobs.

There is also another solution; quit your blue collar job, become a white collar worker. Problem solved.

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December 17, 2023, 03:06:28 PM
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Be it someone who is a hard worker or a smart worker. They are extraordinary people, because they all have the effort to make themselves work and not bother others. Compared to someone who feels he is smart and has the ability, but is still unemployed until now, because he continues to sort and choose the work he will do.

Going back to the original discussion, there is no guarantee that those who work with their "brains" will be paid more than someone who works with their muscles. What is certain is that when you want to have a high wage, you must be able to really master the field you are working on. And this can be achieved when you are able to combine your knowledge and skills, so that you can not only work hard, but also work smart.

Even a soccer athlete, like CR7 and a few others, when they play on the field, they get paid handsomely. Even their income tends to be higher than a CEO who works in a big company. And soccer athletes can have very high salaries. because they managed to master the field they are in. Likewise with us, if we want to be appreciated, then we must be able to master the things we are involved in, and be able to do what others cannot do.
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December 17, 2023, 02:30:27 PM
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There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.
White-collar jobs also require higher qualifications such as a university degree, while blue-collar jobs might just require short-term training. Maybe this might be why white-collar jobs pay higher rewards. But there are also some exceptions because some blue-collar jobs such as machine operators require specialised skills which might make them earn higher than white-collar employees.

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Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.
I think both white-collar jobs and blue-collar workers are both important. But you don't have to expect top management workers to earn the same pay as middle or low-class workers. These top management staff are the ones who make strategy decisions that determine the survival or death of the organization. They bear more responsibility and risk of the firm so they are expected to also enjoy more privileges. Every worker deserves to be paid a minimum wage that should be enough to take care of his basic needs and no worker no matter the level deserves to be disrespected or maltreated. But I don't think blue-collar workers will ever earn the same or more pay than white-collar employees because the latter have more standard qualifications and they bear more risk in the organization.
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December 17, 2023, 01:52:18 PM
#33
This is the reason why people need to look for better jobs when the pay that's given to them seems to be pretty low. Maybe it's the company that doesn't value their employees so, the pay isn't worth it for someone who looks for a long term job where he can stay loyal with. While there are countries that do really pay for minimum wage and even can pay below that range like in my country, it's all about the company's average revenue. Small companies can't afford to pay that much but still, they're providing jobs and opportunity. I do understand why some of them can't get into the minimum wage because here in my country, there's a countryside rate and city rate and I think it's the government that should amend the laws about labor, cost and salary rates.
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December 17, 2023, 01:42:05 PM
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I have personally thought about this topic in the past. And to be honest, I am not sure on where I exactly stand.
I believe that indeed people who do manual labor should be appreciated and respected by their bosses and provide a good salary for them to develop their life as human beings, in a decent way.
On the other hand, those how go to college and learn a second language are more paid for the same bosses of those manual workers, and there comes the collision of ideas.

If the government and the private sector started to pay the same to all of the type of employees or increased the salary of those who do manual labor, then those who are white collar and educated workers would be discouraged to work, even students may feel discouraged to go to college and instead get right into do manual works, because they would get enough money, in their opinion.

Even though, I think Ai and the use of robots to replace much of the labor force is an idea which is gaining force with each year that passes, societies on the planet should get and enforce a set of rules so millions of people won't get unemployed at the same time and rates of crime start to rise out of control in developed countries.

I vouch your thoughts as everyone should be appreciated for the work and shouldn't looked downwards because of their profession. I work for an Ecommerce giant wherein forget about blue collar workers but there is a differentiation between FTE (Full time employee) aka employees' on company's payroll and the contracted third part employees (HRO) as they are deprived of so many facilities and benefits which we enjoy though we do similar tasks.  

I know this is a vast topic where people will have different opinion as I have already seen in the replies to my topic but there should be a fair practice.

I have also had experience with a job where there was a very marked difference between people who legally belonged to the company (those who signed a contract) and others who did not and were being paid according to the hours of work they did in a single day. As you mentioned, those who did not have a contract with the company never have the same rights and benefits in the eyes of the bosses and in the eyes of the law. Honestly, I don't now whether this is supposed to be the responsibility of the government or those companies in an individual manner. I could even argue that the mistreatment some workers receive by big corporations is the consequence of corrupt administrations which do not enforce the labor laws to certain big companies, because there family members of politicians in important positions there or even because the same politicians who are supposed to enforce laws, have an important stake of stocks of those enterprises.
All of it for the selfish sake of increasing profit as much as possible in detriment of the working conditions of human beings.

I remember seeing some documentary films about it, taking place in countries like Bangladesh.
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December 17, 2023, 01:16:19 PM
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How much people are paid depends on a qualification, field, and country. In my country, people who perform manual labour often have higher salaries than those who do intellectual work (but the ceiling for intellectual work is significantly higher than for manual work, I suppose). I don't find the 'collar' classification useful because I think it's not all as clear-cut, but I'll provide examples. A salary of a cashier in my country is around $380 per month, but an average school teacher gets 270 USD per month, unless this person has extensive experience and qualifications, in which case the salary would be around the same as a cashier gets. A loader receives around $400 per month, but a nurse receives a bit less than that on average.
I agree that disrespectful treatment to those doing manual labour is unacceptable, and that people doing hard physical work should receive good wages for what they do. But it's not all that clear-cut in my country either because people engaged in highly skilful intellectual work are often underappreciated here.
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December 17, 2023, 10:55:06 AM
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There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.
I feel one of the key reason for the variation in pay between white collar jobs and skilled jobs is that while most white collar workers hide under the umbrella of other skilled workers to get a job done or most times the pay this skilled workers to perform most of the job they were employed for. Skilled workers prove the deserve every dime the receive as payment for the work the do. So skilled workers deserve to get higher pay in my opinion
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December 17, 2023, 05:53:51 AM
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Pay difference will exist, there is no doubt in this. People who have worked their youth off for learning a skill based job and are not selling their skills will ask for money and you have to pay them or you dont get it.

On the other hand physical labour based jobs can be done by anyone and will always pay less. Its a brain vs brawn game here and the brain always gets paid more.

We are now in gold rush stage for AI, its a long way from here. AI will be run by humans with a brain and robots will only take over physical jobs. So again that leads to the brain winning over the brawn and the pay discrimination remains.
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December 17, 2023, 05:19:14 AM
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There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.~~~~
Labor classification in the eyes of society is  actually not that important but paradigms passed down from generation  to generation create differences in social status. the world of work is now  increasingly fierce competition  between people who feel comfortable with their status in the company will become a threat in the future. but you need to know that respect etc., comes from the individual and not everyone looks down on other people's work. Perhaps the  environment you are witnessing  lacks understanding of respect, resulting in overlapping views of demeaning others.  believe it or not in other corners of the world  there are still people who appreciate every job regardless of status.
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December 17, 2023, 05:18:21 AM
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Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

Good question.  Skilled laborers definitely don't get paid what they deserve even though our society would fall apart without them.  White collar jobs might need more schooling or be more mentally tiring, but that doesn't mean manual work isn't just as important and   

i think there should be a change so skilled laborers get better pay.  Their work matters as much as office jobs, so they ought to earn enough to live comfortably.   

But its tricky - wages can't just shoot up overnight.  We need programs to teach laborers new abilities too so they can succeed with all the tech nowadays.  Education matters alongside better pay.
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