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Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 56. (Read 227104 times)

legendary
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April 29, 2014, 05:22:32 AM
The charges are just BS. Cooked up just to divert attention from Tymoshenko and Yatsenyuk, who sent the Ukrainian gold to the US. Forget about 32 billion USD, I don't think that the Ukrainian treasury has even $32 million.  Grin
Actually it has something about 11-12 billion of green toilet papers. But their debt is much higher and still rising.
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 04:33:51 AM
Prosecutor General of Ukraine blames Yanukovich for transporting with him 32 billion dollars to Russia?
http://ria.ru/world/20140429/1005865596.html
Russia says it has no grounds for extraditing Yanukovich as his is the legitimate president of Ukraine.

The charges are just BS. Cooked up just to divert attention from Tymoshenko and Yatsenyuk, who sent the Ukrainian gold to the US. Forget about 32 billion USD, I don't think that the Ukrainian treasury has even $32 million.  Grin
Fdt
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April 29, 2014, 04:31:40 AM
I have decided to read a bit today about Ukraine. And here is an interesting information link http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcripo.com.ua%2Fprint.php%3Fsect_id%3D6%26aid%3D1994&edit-text=

It shows that Ukraine were somewhat like Zimbabwe, where criminal politicians were so sure that people are sheep that they haven't even considered to distribute their wealth and support population to make amends or even simply run away. I sense it may be better for people and politicians if pro Russian forces detain corrupted politicians and criminals so they can stand trial in Russia or in democratic Ukraine when they manage to get sensible government.  Perhaps they can hire online president selected from the members of this forums? Smiley

Russia also had similar period in 90s, however now it seems to be more civilized. Perhaps some people living in Russia can comment more Smiley

sr. member
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April 29, 2014, 04:23:31 AM
When Yugoslavia had been put under the first set of sanctions which at the beginning were also targeted only at specific persons and companies, their leadership was pretty dismissive in that regard. Medias were busy laughing and mocking the west. Limited sanctions eventually grew into the total economic blockade but nevertheless, politicians were still thinking that those harsh measures cannot hurt people and claimed that blockade was actually a great chance to develop and strenghten domestic industry and agriculture to become more self-sufficient. Result: in few years Yugoslavian economy went into a major disaster, to a such degree it is in ruins even today.

Big, powerful Russia is of course in whole different league, but I couldn't help but notice certain patterns.
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 04:11:41 AM
You mean prosecutor wannabe? Cheesy
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 03:51:35 AM
Yes, they just need to keep doing quantitative easings, and the final stop will be Zimbabwe. Smiley

Ah, more sanctions from EU. I was starting to get worried that EU tops were off on a sick leave and could not publish today's sanctions.  Grin
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2014/04/140429_rn_eu_russia_sanctions.shtml

Prosecutor General of Ukraine blames Yanukovich for transporting with him 32 billion dollars to Russia?
http://ria.ru/world/20140429/1005865596.html
Russia says it has no grounds for extraditing Yanukovich as his is the legitimate president of Ukraine.

Besides, will they be prosecuting Yatsenjuk for transporting Ukrainian gold to the US?
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 02:18:21 AM
However, with the USdollar having set its sights on self-destruction, it is not an unthinkable market cap. Just think Zimbabwe.

Are you predicting that the US dollar will become as worthless as the Zimbabwe Dollar? I can see a distant possibility of that happening, if Obama stays in the office for a few more years.
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 01:54:30 AM
In recent news. Guess what? Yes, correct. More sanctions.  Grin
Kerry announced about possible new sanctions against whole sectors of Russian economy. He said he is very close to imposing them. He said, quoting: "we are moving in this directions [of sanctions] if they [Russia] continue to move in that direction [of presumably not invading Ukraine]"
http://ria.ru/world/20140429/1005865004.html

One of the reader comments: "When Russia wakes up in the morning and there are no news of new sanctions, it feels somehow wrong... the coming day started not like it should and the mood is not the same."

Putin replied:

The security officers tells how the convoy of Yanukovich' cars came under constant fire during his trip in Harkov, Donetsk and Crimea on the 21st of February.

Seems like "someone" was hell-bent on eliminating him Gaddafi-style.
legendary
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April 29, 2014, 01:44:26 AM
...when 1 ice cream will cost BTC0.0000000000001

For an ice-cream to cost BTC0.0000000000001, one Bitcoin should be at $ 10 trillion. lol... So the market cap will be at 210 quintillion.

Hey, don't take it seriously, I just took that number by holding down "0" for a few random milliseconds.  Tongue
However, with the USdollar having set its sights on self-destruction, it is not an unthinkable market cap. Just think Zimbabwe.
legendary
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legendary
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April 28, 2014, 10:56:00 PM
...when 1 ice cream will cost BTC0.0000000000001

For an ice-cream to cost BTC0.0000000000001, one Bitcoin should be at $ 10 trillion. lol... So the market cap will be at 210 quintillion.
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
April 28, 2014, 10:47:13 PM
It's a typical diplomacy blahblahblah, as always. Smiley In reality Iran will never forget about stealing their money. $100 billion is not so simple to forget.  Wink

They will soon be:). In 10-20 years you won't be able to afford an ice cream with those Smiley.

Ah, you a talking about the time, when 1 icecream will cost BTC0.0000000000001 Cheesy

...when 1 ice cream will cost BTC0.0000000000001
A deep, deep sub-Satoshi?
Wow, is there a name for that unit which doesn't currently travel on the network?
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 10:24:53 PM
It may become very profitable in the future. China has a ton of land unusable for agriculture and stuff, but suitable for shale extraction.
Ukraine is needed as another test platform. Although as an agricultural country it will suffer a lot.

Gas extracted from shale beds will cost around $900 per 1,000 cubic meter. That is around twice the rate EU countries pay for the Russian gas. And we should remember that shale gas extraction is an environmentally destructive process.
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 01:36:50 PM
It may become very profitable in the future. China has a ton of land unusable for agriculture and stuff, but suitable for shale extraction.
Don't forget about the underground water sources. Only suicidal person will use such technology on own territory, because results will be even worse than consequences of chernobyl disaster. It's unlikely than China would prefer to poison available water sources in exchange for gas. Roll Eyes
hero member
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April 28, 2014, 12:36:57 PM
So-called "shale revolution" is a scam, this extraction method is unprofitable. Shell got ~$5 billion of loss in a last year due to development of shale gas deposits.
It may become very profitable in the future. China has a ton of land unusable for agriculture and stuff, but suitable for shale extraction.
Ukraine is needed as another test platform. Although as an agricultural country it will suffer a lot.
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 09:59:59 AM
Gas supplied by Grazprom is cheaper, because it already operates a large number of gas pipelines. Any gas delivery from Iran to the EU might need construction of new hugely expensive gas pipelines through Syria or Turkey. Like Balthazar said, LNG is extremely expensive and even if someone can afford the prices, there are not enough LNG tankers and terminals to transport all that gas.
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 09:24:04 AM
It's a typical diplomacy blahblahblah, as always. Smiley In reality Iran will never forget about stealing their money. $100 billion is not so simple to forget.  Wink

They will soon be:). In 10-20 years you won't be able to afford an ice cream with those Smiley.

Ah, you a talking about the time, when 1 icecream will cost BTC0.0000000000001 Cheesy
hero member
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in defi we trust
April 28, 2014, 09:10:45 AM
It's a typical diplomacy blahblahblah, as always. Smiley In reality Iran will never forget about stealing their money. $100 billion is not so simple to forget.  Wink

They will soon be:). In 10-20 years you won't be able to afford an ice cream with those Smiley.
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 09:08:23 AM
It's a typical diplomacy blahblahblah, as always. Smiley In reality Iran will never forget about stealing their money, $100 billion is not so simple to forget.  Wink
hero member
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April 28, 2014, 09:03:54 AM
If we really want to harm Russia in someway, we shouldn't be dependent of their gas. The only reasonable way for that is to accept gas from the USA, but do we really want to bend in front of the USA? I think The Netherlands (where I live) and Europe is already too dependent of the USA..  
1) LNG costs will be at least 180% higher than gazprom supplies, i.e. EU will have to pay ~$900/1000 m3 instead of ~$500/1000 m3. In the meantime, if EU would decide to stop buying gas in Russia, Gazprom can start selling gas to China at even higher price.
2) So-called "shale revolution" is a scam, this extraction method is unprofitable. Shell got ~$5 billion of loss in a last year due to development of shale gas deposits.

The next country with huge gas resources after russia  is.... Iran. Now this is going to be funny:).
It's already funny for a few reasons:

  • Iran already set embargo on gas and oil supplies to EU.
  • Now Iran already has a gas supply contracts, all their gas is supplied to China.
  • Iran already made a few contracts on oil supplies to RF in exchange for goods, and there is a plan to continue such type of relations in the future

So, Iran it's not an option for EU, they did too much damage here to be forgiven for that. They have frozen $100 billion which belongs to Iranian central bank, for example.

Things change with time , always Smiley

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TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said the economic relations between Iran and the EU will soon experience a major change as the two sides resume and broaden their banking relations.
Addressing a meeting with Latvian Foreign Minister Edgars Rinkevics in Tehran on Sunday, the President said Iran and the European bloc have always enjoyed good relations, and mentioned that as the first step in the nuclear talks between Iran and the six world powers is taken "and along with the development of the banking and economic ties, we are witnessing change in the relations with the EU".

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