Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 59.

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Quote from: Balthazar on April 26, 2014, 08:09:34 AM

Nuclear energy is the only solution. Only nuclear power industry able to supply energy for provide all the existing industrial enterprises, almost without usage of environmentally harmful materials.

Nuclear energy is the best choice right now. But be careful when recommending that to the Ukrainians. The memories of Chernobyl are not that easily forgotten. And in addition to this we have stupid Hollywood propaganda movies such as The Chernobyl Diaries, to make the Ukrainians believe that everything was the fault of the Russians.

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Nuclear energy is the only available solution. Only nuclear power industry able to supply energy for provide all the existing industrial enterprises, almost without usage of environmentally harmful materials.

"Solar energy" or "wind energy" are nothing more than results of "green" propaganda, which paid by oil dollars. Unnecessarily high costs, insignificant efficiency and an imminent environmental damage.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on April 26, 2014, 05:56:55 AM

Solar panels would not work that well in Ukraine, especially, not for covering the power needs of energy-consuming industries.

Solar energy is one of the most expensive forms of energy right now. The capital expenses and the maintenance costs of solar panels are just prohibitive for anyone living outside the EU / US.

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Quote from: Bit_Happy on April 25, 2014, 11:04:36 PM

$9 billion/year would buy an amazing amount of solar panels, and then they can convert to electric heat and be much more independent. (for example)

Solar panels would not work that well in Ukraine, especially, not for covering the power needs of energy-consuming industries.

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Quote from: Bit_Happy on April 25, 2014, 11:04:36 PM

Have they never really recovered from being part of the old USSR?

The USSR was intentionally created that way, to make the republics depend on each other. For example, the major gas deposits were located in Russia, while the steel mills and other heavy industries were located in Ukraine. Ukraine got the gas from Russia, and in exchange Russia received the machines and other factory goods from Ukraine.

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chaos is fun...…damental :)

Quote from: Bit_Happy on April 25, 2014, 11:04:36 PM

$9 billion/year would buy an amazing amount of solar panels

they work very nice when you have 1m of snow on them

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A Great Time to Start Something!

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 25, 2014, 10:50:10 PM

Quote from: Bit_Happy on April 25, 2014, 10:45:03 PM

...warned that Europe must help Ukraine pay the bill
Hold on... First, Germany needs to check if Greece (and Spain?) can survive without 3 more quick shots of economic help.
How is Europe supposed to get that much money?

I see nothing wrong with that. When Yanukovych was the Ukrainian president, he gave legal status to the Russian language and in return Russia gave him $9 billion every year in gas subsidies. Germany helped the Right Sector to take down Yanukovych. They installed an American puppet in office and banned the Russian language. Russia terminated the gas subsidy, as the agreement was broken. Now the Kiev junta says that they don't have the money to pay for the gas bills. Now who should pay? Germany off course.

Now who should pay? Germany off course.
$9 billion/year would buy an amazing amount of solar panels, and then they can convert to electric heat and be much more independent. (for example)
These people need to get their act together, not everyone can be spoiled like Americans.

What is the root cause of this over-dependence on other countries?
Have they never really recovered from being part of the old USSR?

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Quote from: Bit_Happy on April 25, 2014, 10:45:03 PM

...warned that Europe must help Ukraine pay the bill
Hold on... First, Germany needs to check if Greece (and Spain?) can survive without 3 more quick shots of economic help.
How is Europe supposed to get that much money?

I see nothing wrong with that. When Yanukovych was the Ukrainian president, he gave legal status to the Russian language and in return Russia gave him $9 billion every year in gas subsidies. Germany helped the Right Sector to take down Yanukovych. They installed an American puppet in office and banned the Russian language. Russia terminated the gas subsidy, as the agreement was broken. Now the Kiev junta says that they don't have the money to pay for the gas bills. Now who should pay? Germany off course.

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A Great Time to Start Something!

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 25, 2014, 10:32:27 PM

Ukraine: Russia's Gazprom issues May 7 ultimatum over gas supplies

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10789306/Ukraine-Russias-Gazprom-issues-May-7-ultimatum-over-gas-supplies.html

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Russian state-controlled energy giant Gazprom has ratcheted up the pressure on Ukraine, issuing a May 7 ultimatum to settle $3.5bn unpaid debts or start paying in advance for its gas. Alexander Medvedev, deputy chief executive, warned that Europe must help Ukraine pay the bill – and a further $5bn needed to refill storage facilities this summer - or face “severe problems” with gas supplies this winter.

Obey, or freeze to death.
This "war" needs more creative script writers.

...warned that Europe must help Ukraine pay the bill
Hold on... First, Germany needs to check if Greece (and Spain?) can survive without 3 more quick shots of economic help.
How is Europe supposed to get that much money?

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Ukraine: Russia's Gazprom issues May 7 ultimatum over gas supplies

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10789306/Ukraine-Russias-Gazprom-issues-May-7-ultimatum-over-gas-supplies.html

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Russian state-controlled energy giant Gazprom has ratcheted up the pressure on Ukraine, issuing a May 7 ultimatum to settle $3.5bn unpaid debts or start paying in advance for its gas. Alexander Medvedev, deputy chief executive, warned that Europe must help Ukraine pay the bill – and a further $5bn needed to refill storage facilities this summer - or face “severe problems” with gas supplies this winter.

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Quote from: anatolikostis on April 24, 2014, 07:07:13 PM

its own?

Kramatorsk Wink

they aren`t ukrainian citizens!
It is about 100miles from me to Slavyansk, people are afraid.
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People here "freak out" when the BTC price goes down;
Photos like these really help remind us how lucky we are to be relatively safe.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gkpmw7uqoc

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Yanokovich risks following the fate of Milishevich, ending his days in the Hague (if he is ever kidnapped from Russia).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2014/04/140425_rn_ukraine_icc_investigation.shtml

The Hague started investigating Maidan, and it seems Yanukovich will be to blame, whatever the evidence actually says.

Obama, Holland, Merkel, Cameron and Renzi got together today and decided to introduce even newer sanctions against Russia:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/25/sanctions/

Maybe because today Puting gave green light to creation of Russian National payment system, while Bank "Russia" stopped using dollars.
http://www.forbes.ru/news/255899-gosduma-odobrila-sozdanie-natsionalnoi-sistemy-platezhnykh-kart

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That's "old" news:
http://rt.com/news/154828-kramatorsk-ukraine-airfield-explosion/

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Self-defence troops have confirmed they attacked a Ukrainian military helicopter at an airfield in eastern Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk. A plume of smoke can be seen rising over the area in a number of online videos.

“Our people approached the airfield, shot a rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) in the direction of the helicopter. There was an explosion. [Kiev] militants started shooting and we [protesters] retreated,” a representative from the Kramatorsk self-defence troops told RIA Novosti.

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A helicopter belonging to the Ukrainian armed forces has exploded at the Kramatorsk airfield. Can't confirm who or what caused the explosion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9SauG3-23o

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"The Strait of Stalin" Cheesy

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Neocolonialism. Troops aren't always necessary.

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Op-Edge on RT with Asia Times correspondent Pepe Escobar, following Kerry's outbreak, calling Rt names.

‘Mr. Kerry, let’s talk about Fox News, BBC and Al-Jazeera bullhorns’
http://rt.com/op-edge/154836-kerry-usa-rt-attack-bullhorns/

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RT: Do you think viewers can get an unbiased view of the events in Ukraine solely from Western mainstream media?

PE: Of course not. And this is information war in fact. And the America's absolutely terrified. Because now it's not only CNN all over the world like during the war in Bosnia or during the first Iraq war. Now there is RT, Al-Jazeera, France 24, Deutche Welle, TVE, CCTV, and one day we are going to have Brazilian TV going global, not only in Portuguese. They are terrified of Press TV in Iran, which also broadcasts in English, so they ban Press TV all over the place. And I'm speaking not as an RT employee. I want to make this very clear.

And a reader comment:

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Reggie Roning 25.04.2014 15:01

Coming out of Kerry's mouth, it means Russia Today is doing the right thing. Nothing scares America more than the truth.

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Lol.. here comes the first blow for the Americans in their bid to impose more sanctions on Russia:

Czech PM says Czechs, Slovaks skeptical about Russia sanctions

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-24/news/sns-rt-us-ukraine-crisis-czech-slovakia-20140424_1_russia-sanctions-further-sanctions-czech-pm

Quote from: niothor on April 25, 2014, 04:51:30 AM

ARE YOU AN IDIOT?

Name calling is the first sign that someone is losing an argument. So I welcome that.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on April 25, 2014, 05:20:07 AM

Quote from: niothor on April 25, 2014, 05:14:28 AM

What sanctions? And wait.. out of the blue they have an effect?

Not so much sanctions, but the lowered use of and trust in Visa and MasterCard.

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"We are caught between the politics of the United States and the politics of Russia," Chief Financial Officer Byron Pollitt said on a post-earnings conference call on Thursday.

"We're clearly seeing a drop-off in cross-border volume and sanctions are expected to have some impact on volume."

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"We have 100 million cards there (in Russia) and it is not in anyone's best interest, inclusive of the Russians, to make those cards not available to their own citizens," Pollitt said.

It seems like neither Russia nor Bitcoin will be able to make a dent into their profits this quarter. And the amount is insane.

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Net income attributable to Visa rose 26 percent from a year earlier to $1.60 billion, or $2.52 per Class A share, in the second quarter.
Visa earned $2.20 per share, excluding a tax benefit of $218 million in the quarter.
Total operating revenue increased to $3.16 billion from $2.96 billion.
Visa said it expected full-year revenue to grow 10-11 percent. The company had earlier said its revenue was expected to grow in low double digits in percentage terms.

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