Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 56. (Read 227096 times)
Has anyone done a decent map of Ukraine showing the regions controlled by Kiev, Russia, "unidentified forces," and "activists" or something along those lines? At this point a visual aid would be useful to keep track of all these different regions in flux.
Lugansk: Police leave Govt bldg peacefully. Activists R thanking to them for it. 1000s outside celebrating, singing & applauding.
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_29/Group-of-unidentified-people-capture-district-administration-building-in-Ukraine-s-Lugansk-region-5576/
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_29/Group-of-unidentified-people-capture-district-administration-building-in-Ukraine-s-Lugansk-region-5576/
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A group of unidentified people have captured the administration building in Stanichno-Lugansky district of Ukraine’s Lugansk region. The RIA Novosti news agency reports with reference to the Ukrinform news agency that some 300 people forced their way into the administration building in the Stanichno-Lugansky district of Ukraine’s Lugansk region in the early hours of Tuesday. According to the media, the deputy administration head is now acting for the district administration head Dmitry Vinnik.
The charges are just BS. Cooked up just to divert attention from Tymoshenko and Yatsenyuk, who sent the Ukrainian gold to the US. Forget about 32 billion USD, I don't think that the Ukrainian treasury has even $32 million. 
Actually it has something about 11-12 billion of green toilet papers. But their debt is much higher and still rising. Prosecutor General of Ukraine blames Yanukovich for transporting with him 32 billion dollars to Russia?
http://ria.ru/world/20140429/1005865596.html
Russia says it has no grounds for extraditing Yanukovich as his is the legitimate president of Ukraine.
http://ria.ru/world/20140429/1005865596.html
Russia says it has no grounds for extraditing Yanukovich as his is the legitimate president of Ukraine.
The charges are just BS. Cooked up just to divert attention from Tymoshenko and Yatsenyuk, who sent the Ukrainian gold to the US. Forget about 32 billion USD, I don't think that the Ukrainian treasury has even $32 million.
I have decided to read a bit today about Ukraine. And here is an interesting information link http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcripo.com.ua%2Fprint.php%3Fsect_id%3D6%26aid%3D1994&edit-text=
It shows that Ukraine were somewhat like Zimbabwe, where criminal politicians were so sure that people are sheep that they haven't even considered to distribute their wealth and support population to make amends or even simply run away. I sense it may be better for people and politicians if pro Russian forces detain corrupted politicians and criminals so they can stand trial in Russia or in democratic Ukraine when they manage to get sensible government. Perhaps they can hire online president selected from the members of this forums?
Russia also had similar period in 90s, however now it seems to be more civilized. Perhaps some people living in Russia can comment more
It shows that Ukraine were somewhat like Zimbabwe, where criminal politicians were so sure that people are sheep that they haven't even considered to distribute their wealth and support population to make amends or even simply run away. I sense it may be better for people and politicians if pro Russian forces detain corrupted politicians and criminals so they can stand trial in Russia or in democratic Ukraine when they manage to get sensible government. Perhaps they can hire online president selected from the members of this forums?
Russia also had similar period in 90s, however now it seems to be more civilized. Perhaps some people living in Russia can comment more
When Yugoslavia had been put under the first set of sanctions which at the beginning were also targeted only at specific persons and companies, their leadership was pretty dismissive in that regard. Medias were busy laughing and mocking the west. Limited sanctions eventually grew into the total economic blockade but nevertheless, politicians were still thinking that those harsh measures cannot hurt people and claimed that blockade was actually a great chance to develop and strenghten domestic industry and agriculture to become more self-sufficient. Result: in few years Yugoslavian economy went into a major disaster, to a such degree it is in ruins even today.
Big, powerful Russia is of course in whole different league, but I couldn't help but notice certain patterns.
Big, powerful Russia is of course in whole different league, but I couldn't help but notice certain patterns.
You mean prosecutor wannabe? 
Yes, they just need to keep doing quantitative easings, and the final stop will be Zimbabwe.
Ah, more sanctions from EU. I was starting to get worried that EU tops were off on a sick leave and could not publish today's sanctions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2014/04/140429_rn_eu_russia_sanctions.shtml
Prosecutor General of Ukraine blames Yanukovich for transporting with him 32 billion dollars to Russia?
http://ria.ru/world/20140429/1005865596.html
Russia says it has no grounds for extraditing Yanukovich as his is the legitimate president of Ukraine.
Besides, will they be prosecuting Yatsenjuk for transporting Ukrainian gold to the US?
Ah, more sanctions from EU. I was starting to get worried that EU tops were off on a sick leave and could not publish today's sanctions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2014/04/140429_rn_eu_russia_sanctions.shtml
Prosecutor General of Ukraine blames Yanukovich for transporting with him 32 billion dollars to Russia?
http://ria.ru/world/20140429/1005865596.html
Russia says it has no grounds for extraditing Yanukovich as his is the legitimate president of Ukraine.
Besides, will they be prosecuting Yatsenjuk for transporting Ukrainian gold to the US?
However, with the USdollar having set its sights on self-destruction, it is not an unthinkable market cap. Just think Zimbabwe.
Are you predicting that the US dollar will become as worthless as the Zimbabwe Dollar? I can see a distant possibility of that happening, if Obama stays in the office for a few more years.
In recent news. Guess what? Yes, correct. More sanctions.
Kerry announced about possible new sanctions against whole sectors of Russian economy. He said he is very close to imposing them. He said, quoting: "we are moving in this directions [of sanctions] if they [Russia] continue to move in that direction [of presumably not invading Ukraine]"
http://ria.ru/world/20140429/1005865004.html
One of the reader comments: "When Russia wakes up in the morning and there are no news of new sanctions, it feels somehow wrong... the coming day started not like it should and the mood is not the same."
Putin replied:
The security officers tells how the convoy of Yanukovich' cars came under constant fire during his trip in Harkov, Donetsk and Crimea on the 21st of February.
Seems like "someone" was hell-bent on eliminating him Gaddafi-style.
Kerry announced about possible new sanctions against whole sectors of Russian economy. He said he is very close to imposing them. He said, quoting: "we are moving in this directions [of sanctions] if they [Russia] continue to move in that direction [of presumably not invading Ukraine]"
http://ria.ru/world/20140429/1005865004.html
One of the reader comments: "When Russia wakes up in the morning and there are no news of new sanctions, it feels somehow wrong... the coming day started not like it should and the mood is not the same."
Putin replied:
http://politikus.ru/events/17912-stoyala-zadacha-rasstrelyat-prezidentskiy-kortezh.html
Interview with Yanukovych`s security officers.
Interview with Yanukovych`s security officers.
The security officers tells how the convoy of Yanukovich' cars came under constant fire during his trip in Harkov, Donetsk and Crimea on the 21st of February.
Seems like "someone" was hell-bent on eliminating him Gaddafi-style.
...when 1 ice cream will cost BTC0.0000000000001
For an ice-cream to cost BTC0.0000000000001, one Bitcoin should be at $ 10 trillion. lol... So the market cap will be at 210 quintillion.
Hey, don't take it seriously, I just took that number by holding down "0" for a few random milliseconds.
However, with the USdollar having set its sights on self-destruction, it is not an unthinkable market cap. Just think Zimbabwe.
http://politikus.ru/events/17912-stoyala-zadacha-rasstrelyat-prezidentskiy-kortezh.html
Interview with Yanukovych`s security officers.
Interview with Yanukovych`s security officers.
...when 1 ice cream will cost BTC0.0000000000001
For an ice-cream to cost BTC0.0000000000001, one Bitcoin should be at $ 10 trillion. lol... So the market cap will be at 210 quintillion.
It's a typical diplomacy blahblahblah, as always. In reality Iran will never forget about stealing their money. $100 billion is not so simple to forget. 
In reality Iran will never forget about stealing their money. $100 billion is not so simple to forget. They will soon be:). In 10-20 years you won't be able to afford an ice cream with those
.Ah, you a talking about the time, when 1 icecream will cost BTC0.0000000000001
...when 1 ice cream will cost BTC0.0000000000001
A deep, deep sub-Satoshi?
Wow, is there a name for that unit which doesn't currently travel on the network?
It may become very profitable in the future. China has a ton of land unusable for agriculture and stuff, but suitable for shale extraction.
Ukraine is needed as another test platform. Although as an agricultural country it will suffer a lot.
Ukraine is needed as another test platform. Although as an agricultural country it will suffer a lot.
Gas extracted from shale beds will cost around $900 per 1,000 cubic meter. That is around twice the rate EU countries pay for the Russian gas. And we should remember that shale gas extraction is an environmentally destructive process.
It may become very profitable in the future. China has a ton of land unusable for agriculture and stuff, but suitable for shale extraction.
Don't forget about the underground water sources. Only suicidal person will use such technology on own territory, because results will be even worse than consequences of chernobyl disaster. It's unlikely than China would prefer to poison available water sources in exchange for gas. 
So-called "shale revolution" is a scam, this extraction method is unprofitable. Shell got ~$5 billion of loss in a last year due to development of shale gas deposits.
It may become very profitable in the future. China has a ton of land unusable for agriculture and stuff, but suitable for shale extraction.Ukraine is needed as another test platform. Although as an agricultural country it will suffer a lot.
Gas supplied by Grazprom is cheaper, because it already operates a large number of gas pipelines. Any gas delivery from Iran to the EU might need construction of new hugely expensive gas pipelines through Syria or Turkey. Like Balthazar said, LNG is extremely expensive and even if someone can afford the prices, there are not enough LNG tankers and terminals to transport all that gas.
It's a typical diplomacy blahblahblah, as always. In reality Iran will never forget about stealing their money. $100 billion is not so simple to forget.
In reality Iran will never forget about stealing their money. $100 billion is not so simple to forget. They will soon be:). In 10-20 years you won't be able to afford an ice cream with those
.Ah, you a talking about the time, when 1 icecream will cost BTC0.0000000000001
It's a typical diplomacy blahblahblah, as always. In reality Iran will never forget about stealing their money. $100 billion is not so simple to forget.
In reality Iran will never forget about stealing their money. $100 billion is not so simple to forget. They will soon be:). In 10-20 years you won't be able to afford an ice cream with those
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