It looks like there will be night-time exercises in Kiev after all:
http://ria.ru/world/20140430/1006098813.html
Not military, but a coop between police and state guard, practising actions on how to defend populace.
I don't know. Tomorrow will tell what this is all about...
One of the readers wrote:
'In Kiev when talking about people they say "populace", while about people in Donbass they say "terrorists"'
Another commentator wrote that Kiev might see tonight the "night of long knives", akin to the one organised by Hitler.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
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Meanwhile another town falls out of Kiev's grip:
Pro-Russian insurgents occupy Alchevsk city council building
Pro-Russian insurgents occupy Alchevsk city council building
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According to the Luhansk-based portal 0642.ua, a group of about 30 pro-Russian insurgents walked into the Alchevsk city council building on April 30, where they were later joined by a larger group of protesters.
Russia blocked Ukrainian provocative initiative at calling an OCSE meeting to discuss recent Russia's activity in Russian Federation.
http://ria.ru/politics/20140430/1006084389.html
More absurdity from Kiev.
In the meantime:
Mission uncertain: Canadian planes leave for Eastern Europe to assist NATO
http://rt.com/news/155924-nato-mission-eastern-europe/
http://ria.ru/politics/20140430/1006084389.html
More absurdity from Kiev.
In the meantime:
Mission uncertain: Canadian planes leave for Eastern Europe to assist NATO
http://rt.com/news/155924-nato-mission-eastern-europe/
I wonder what would be the purpose of that announcement in the first place?
http://rt.com/files/news/26/10/40/00/111.jpg
http://rt.com/files/news/26/10/40/00/111.jpg
The most possible reason for that is - the newly appointed military head wanted to show off his powers. So he announced the military exercises, without consulting Turchynov. The latter cancelled it, as he knew that more than half of the soldiers would defect at any time.
Nemo and Balthazar:
I don't inherently disagree with what you are saying but the problem becomes, where do we draw the line? There are frankly a TON of artificial boundaries that were created by empires anywhere from decades to centuries ago. If every single group that feels that have ownership over the land they live on (because their ancestors historically controlled it) decided to retake said land and start changing national borders, the entire world could be turned upside down overnight.
I don't inherently disagree with what you are saying but the problem becomes, where do we draw the line? There are frankly a TON of artificial boundaries that were created by empires anywhere from decades to centuries ago. If every single group that feels that have ownership over the land they live on (because their ancestors historically controlled it) decided to retake said land and start changing national borders, the entire world could be turned upside down overnight.
This process has been going on for centuries, and it would be foolish to think that is has suddenly stopped now. Only during the last 100 years the borders changed a lot, in Europe alone!
In my view the boundary should be set by referendums and the UN charter on self-determination of peoples is a good start there. Also, I don't think that 50% of votes should be a deciding factor in such matters. It should be closer to 75%-80% for a region to proclaim independence or to join another state.
In the case of Ukraine, the conflict and the tension are so great that they can spark a civil war. In such cases a civilised divorce is a much better option than trying to keep the state artificially. Other such regions are Basque land, Catalonia, Scotland, Northern Ireland. In Yugolsavia there was not even a greater internal tension before the West decided to break up that country.
Ukraine decided to break off information exchange agreements with Russia, so that Russia should not be able to provide information to that half of the Ukrainian population, whom Kiev defined as separatists and terrorists, and who call themselves for pro-federalisation activists:
http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/26047841/goskomteleradio-ukrainy-predlagaet-otkazatsya-ot
Vice-minister for mass media Volin, told Kiev that they should first form legitimate government structures before raising such questions.
Actually historical reasons are not a major issue, but there is another factor.
Many people in the eastern and central ukraine have relatives on the other side of the border.
Like you know, yeah..
FTFY.
That was very funny, thanks.
I know that you can be (I doubt in this, but I'll try to imagine that your profile contains an actual location) american citizen, but seriously, how could you pretend to be better informed than our neighborhood?
Millions of people are crossing through the border every day. Many of them have a double citizenship and spouses on the other side of the border. Do you seriously think that their knowledge is lesser than yours? Really? 
Well, have you already rated the stupidity of your statement, or not yet? Don't you think that it's time to make a break, and think some time about your statements?
People from Alabama do not know real Russia. They have only propaganda info about Russia. But they will be disappoint. USA just use them....
FTFY.
That was very funny, thanks.I know that you can be (I doubt in this, but I'll try to imagine that your profile contains an actual location) american citizen, but seriously, how could you pretend to be better informed than our neighborhood?
Millions of people are crossing through the border every day. Many of them have a double citizenship and spouses on the other side of the border. Do you seriously think that their knowledge is lesser than yours? Really? Well, have you already rated the stupidity of your statement, or not yet? Don't you think that it's time to make a break, and think some time about your statements?
Many people in the eastern and central ukraine have relatives on the other side of the border.
Nemo and Balthazar:
I don't inherently disagree with what you are saying but the problem becomes, where do we draw the line? There are frankly a TON of artificial boundaries that were created by empires anywhere from decades to centuries ago. If every single group that feels that have ownership over the land they live on (because their ancestors historically controlled it) decided to retake said land and start changing national borders, the entire world could be turned upside down overnight.
I don't inherently disagree with what you are saying but the problem becomes, where do we draw the line? There are frankly a TON of artificial boundaries that were created by empires anywhere from decades to centuries ago. If every single group that feels that have ownership over the land they live on (because their ancestors historically controlled it) decided to retake said land and start changing national borders, the entire world could be turned upside down overnight.
What the hell?!! 
Ukraine to hold military exercises in central Kiev
http://rt.com/news/155908-ukraine-drills-kiev-military/
Ukraine to hold military exercises in central Kiev
http://rt.com/news/155908-ukraine-drills-kiev-military/
That was a false news.
http://rt.com/news/155908-ukraine-drills-kiev-military/
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Ukrainian armed forces aren’t planning to hold any military drills involving armored vehicles in central Kiev on Wednesday night, the country’s Defense Ministry said, refuting an earlier announcement from the mayor’s office in Kiev.
I wonder what would be the purpose of that announcement in the first place?
Russian news also report that as a false alarm:
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/4/30/684781.html
Might it be that Kiev junta accidentally showed its hand? As a Russian saying goes: There's no smoke without fire.
That would mean the majority of Malorossia's population.
Malorossia is Belarus, it's a sovereign state already. I suppose that you mean Novorossia.http://dokumentika.org/lt/slav/ukraina-ili-malorossiya
Fixed.
That would mean the majority of Malorossia's population.
Malorossia it's Belarus, it's a sovereign state already. I suppose that you mean Novorossia.if the people living in Ukraine wanted to be part of Russia don't you think they could have moved to Russia and applied for citizenship? Yet they did not.
They're not aliens from Alpha Centauri, this people lived here centuries before creation of Ukraine project. So if they would decide to leave failed state project, it's obvious that they would take their land too.Btw, many of them are RF citizens already...
Am I the only person that doesn't agree with the whole "Well, there are a lot of Russians there so they should just join Russia" line of reasoning? To me that is sort of like saying "well America had a lot of British people living in it so they should have just stayed a part of the British empire." News flash: if the people living in Ukraine wanted to be part of Russia don't you think they could have moved to Russia and applied for citizenship? Yet they did not.
That would mean the majority of Novorossia's population. They can't "just move". They and their ancestors were born and lived on that land. It's their home. It was not their fault that after the Revolution in 1917 Lenin decided to give them to his pet project: Ukraine.
If people would like to move to Russia, and they constitute 70-80% of the total population, they might just take their land with them when moving.
Or they might proclaim their own state. UN charter gives them such right.It's like saying that if Indians don't like it in the US, they can just pack up and go to Siberia.
Singapore has a large portion of ethnically Chinese people but I don't see them calling China to ask if they can be absorbed. I could think of many more examples...
Like, for example, Northern Ireland and Ireland?
Also, it would be informative for you to study the maps, collected here:
http://yablor.ru/blogs/dve-ukraini/3638493
to grasp the scale of the problem that is Ukraine.
What the hell?!!
Ukraine to hold military exercises in central Kiev
http://rt.com/news/155908-ukraine-drills-kiev-military/
Ukraine to hold military exercises in central Kiev
http://rt.com/news/155908-ukraine-drills-kiev-military/
That was a false news.
http://rt.com/news/155908-ukraine-drills-kiev-military/
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Ukrainian armed forces aren’t planning to hold any military drills involving armored vehicles in central Kiev on Wednesday night, the country’s Defense Ministry said, refuting an earlier announcement from the mayor’s office in Kiev.
Am I the only person that doesn't agree with the whole "Well, there are a lot of Russians there so they should just join Russia" line of reasoning? To me that is sort of like saying "well America had a lot of British people living in it so they should have just stayed a part of the British empire." News flash: if the people living in Ukraine wanted to be part of Russia don't you think they could have moved to Russia and applied for citizenship? Yet they did not.
Singapore has a large portion of ethnically Chinese people but I don't see them calling China to ask if they can be absorbed. I could think of many more examples...
Singapore has a large portion of ethnically Chinese people but I don't see them calling China to ask if they can be absorbed. I could think of many more examples...
What the hell?!!
Ukraine to hold military exercises in central Kiev
http://rt.com/news/155908-ukraine-drills-kiev-military/
Somebody, tell me they are joking!
A reader comment:
Also, Kiev junta prosecutor's office open criminal cases against commanders of Alpha special ops group in South-East, who refused to follow orders from Kiev:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1159255?utm_medium=rss20
Joke of the day:
Yatsenjuk calls Putin and says: "We are not going to conduct Victory Parade on the 9th of May".
Putin thinks a little and replies: "Very well. We will conduct it ourselves, then".
Ukraine to hold military exercises in central Kiev
http://rt.com/news/155908-ukraine-drills-kiev-military/
Somebody, tell me they are joking!
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“Dear Kiev residents and guests of the capital! A tactical-special exercise will be held in Kiev on the night from April 30 to May 1,” says the short statement published on the city hall website. “Columns of combat vehicles are expected to be moving through the city as part of the exercise. Be advised that deployment of troops and hardware will take place in the center of the city.”
A reader comment:
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Comments below are correct. Nothing can be solved with the current people in Kiev. But if the US had Ukraine's best interest in mind, it would not have designed this coup and violence in the first place. I think the US plan here is to have a failed state right on Russia's border and tell Russia it'll start a war if Russia goes into Ukraine to try and stabilize it. Russia will eventually have to go in and prevent bloodshed and the US/NATO will have it's "Pearl Harbor" excuse for war with Russia. and how NATO is still needed.
Also, Kiev junta prosecutor's office open criminal cases against commanders of Alpha special ops group in South-East, who refused to follow orders from Kiev:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1159255?utm_medium=rss20
Joke of the day:
Yatsenjuk calls Putin and says: "We are not going to conduct Victory Parade on the 9th of May".
Putin thinks a little and replies: "Very well. We will conduct it ourselves, then".
This sums up well the problem that is Ukraine:
On an unrelated topic. This year's Victory Parade promises to be spectacular:
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_30/photo-Victory-Parade-night-rehearsal-held-on-Red-Square-in-Moscow-6253/?slide-11
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Thus, the situation is getting out of Kiev's control. When they found out about that the Ukrainian nationalists launched their angry rhetoric. From the moment Ukraine proclaimed its independence Kiev has not come up with anything other than «to build the Ukrainian political nation» without taking into account the ethnic composition of the peoples residing in the country. Along with the Ukrainian citizenship everybody has been assigned the official nationality – Ukrainian. In essence that project has led to a slow destruction of Ukraine's ethnic diversity. It is not surprising that the residents of Zakarpatie felt themselves discriminated against, thinks Rostislav Ischenko, a Ukrainian political analyst.
«The current Ukrainian authorities are trying to build a monoethnic state, which in essence is a Nazi state. Any ethnic minority is viewed as a threat to that monoethnicity. They are trying to conduct forced Ukrainization of all ethnic minorities. It cannot happen peacefully».
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_23/Hungarians-Rusyns-in-Zakarpatie-afraid-of-forced-Ukrainization-want-autonomy-3452/
«The current Ukrainian authorities are trying to build a monoethnic state, which in essence is a Nazi state. Any ethnic minority is viewed as a threat to that monoethnicity. They are trying to conduct forced Ukrainization of all ethnic minorities. It cannot happen peacefully».
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_23/Hungarians-Rusyns-in-Zakarpatie-afraid-of-forced-Ukrainization-want-autonomy-3452/
On an unrelated topic. This year's Victory Parade promises to be spectacular:
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_30/photo-Victory-Parade-night-rehearsal-held-on-Red-Square-in-Moscow-6253/?slide-11
Interesting development from far-Western Ukraine:
Hungarians, Rusyns in Zakarpatie afraid of forced Ukrainization, want autonomy
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_23/Hungarians-Rusyns-in-Zakarpatie-afraid-of-forced-Ukrainization-want-autonomy-3452/
Hungarians, Rusyns in Zakarpatie afraid of forced Ukrainization, want autonomy
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_23/Hungarians-Rusyns-in-Zakarpatie-afraid-of-forced-Ukrainization-want-autonomy-3452/
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Ukrainian Hungarians favor the creating of a national autonomy in the Zakarpatie Region. They also ask the current authorities in Kiev to give back the opportunity to the Hungarian parliament members to represent the ethnic minority in Verkhovna Rada.
Hmm... I see China making a low rumbling sound, which the West should not ignore:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/30/china/
Peking does not support one-sided sanctions imposed against Russia, saying they cannot be a solution to the situation in Ukraine, but rather further increasing the tension.
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/30/china/
Peking does not support one-sided sanctions imposed against Russia, saying they cannot be a solution to the situation in Ukraine, but rather further increasing the tension.
Turchynov seems to be sick. He claims that there is no control on eastern regions but actually there is no control at all, even in Kiev. This guy has no idea what's happening outside of his office.
P.S. Ultimatum was made in western Ukraine too:
http://lifenews.ru/news/132295
P.S. Ultimatum was made in western Ukraine too:
http://lifenews.ru/news/132295
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We are all waiting on May 11, when the term of our ultimatum. And if Kiev won't follow our conditions, if Kiev authorities won't disarm the Right Sector, we'll move to action , - says the mayor of Transcarpathia. - What will happen after May 11 is uncertain, Transcarpathia citizens have weapons amount which is even greater than results of the population census, and people's attitude towards the junta extremely negative. We have a precedent in 1939 when the junta seized power also. The people stood up and cleared out the area from the junta's followers for a half of a day. liberation of Transcarpathia from a coup today will take maximum two days. We can protect Hungarians and Ruthenians against the encroachments of the current government, and we have all the tools to succeed in that.
Turchinov announced that Ukrainian military is brought into full war-time readiness:
http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/20140430125020.shtml
He is expecting diversions (provocations) and that according to his intelligence (or lack thereof) Russia plans them for the May Victory Holidays.
EDIT: News in English
http://rt.com/news/155856-ukraine-alert-president-army/
http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/20140430125020.shtml
He is expecting diversions (provocations) and that according to his intelligence (or lack thereof
) Russia plans them for the May Victory Holidays.EDIT: News in English
http://rt.com/news/155856-ukraine-alert-president-army/
This is Turchynov's problem:
All those foreign mercenaries can't make up for the defected troops.
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There are indications that Kiev does not have enough loyal troops to deliver on its promised protest crackdown. On several occasions the troops sent against activists simply defected, surrendering their weapons and armored vehicles.
All those foreign mercenaries can't make up for the defected troops.
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