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Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 57. (Read 227070 times)

legendary
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April 28, 2014, 10:08:23 AM
It's a typical diplomacy blahblahblah, as always. Smiley In reality Iran will never forget about stealing their money, $100 billion is not so simple to forget.  Wink
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April 28, 2014, 10:03:54 AM
If we really want to harm Russia in someway, we shouldn't be dependent of their gas. The only reasonable way for that is to accept gas from the USA, but do we really want to bend in front of the USA? I think The Netherlands (where I live) and Europe is already too dependent of the USA..  
1) LNG costs will be at least 180% higher than gazprom supplies, i.e. EU will have to pay ~$900/1000 m3 instead of ~$500/1000 m3. In the meantime, if EU would decide to stop buying gas in Russia, Gazprom can start selling gas to China at even higher price.
2) So-called "shale revolution" is a scam, this extraction method is unprofitable. Shell got ~$5 billion of loss in a last year due to development of shale gas deposits.

The next country with huge gas resources after russia  is.... Iran. Now this is going to be funny:).
It's already funny for a few reasons:

  • Iran already set embargo on gas and oil supplies to EU.
  • Now Iran already has a gas supply contracts, all their gas is supplied to China.
  • Iran already made a few contracts on oil supplies to RF in exchange for goods, and there is a plan to continue such type of relations in the future

So, Iran it's not an option for EU, they did too much damage here to be forgiven for that. They have frozen $100 billion which belongs to Iranian central bank, for example.

Things change with time , always Smiley

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TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said the economic relations between Iran and the EU will soon experience a major change as the two sides resume and broaden their banking relations.
Addressing a meeting with Latvian Foreign Minister Edgars Rinkevics in Tehran on Sunday, the President said Iran and the European bloc have always enjoyed good relations, and mentioned that as the first step in the nuclear talks between Iran and the six world powers is taken "and along with the development of the banking and economic ties, we are witnessing change in the relations with the EU".

legendary
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April 28, 2014, 10:02:03 AM
If we really want to harm Russia in someway, we shouldn't be dependent of their gas. The only reasonable way for that is to accept gas from the USA, but do we really want to bend in front of the USA? I think The Netherlands (where I live) and Europe is already too dependent of the USA..  
1) LNG costs will be at least 180% higher than gazprom supplies, i.e. EU will have to pay ~$900 per 1000 m3 instead of ~$500 per 1000 m3. In the meantime, if EU would decide to stop buying gas in Russia, Gazprom can start selling gas to China at even higher price.
2) So-called "shale revolution" is a scam, this extraction method is unprofitable. Shell got ~$5 billion of loss in a last year due to development of shale gas deposits.

EU have to admit that it's better to work honestly instead of being Rotschild puppet. It is necessary to understand in order to survive.

The next country with huge gas resources after russia  is.... Iran. Now this is going to be funny:).
It's already funny for a few reasons:

  • Iran already set embargo on gas and oil supplies to EU.
  • Now Iran already has a gas supply contracts, all their gas is supplied to China.
  • Iran already made a few contracts on oil supplies to RF in exchange for goods, and there is a plan to continue such type of relations in the future

So, Iran it's not an option for EU, they did too much damage here to be forgiven for that. They have frozen $100 billion which belongs to Iranian central bank, for example.
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 09:39:24 AM
I think that's too far ahead of us to make reasonable predictions.  As far as this topic concerns, I think Russia won't try to "claim" more countries than this last part of the Ukraine. However, I don't really think they're claiming countries.  Like they said, they are protecting the Russians / Russian speaking people over there.    If the USA would do this anywhere in the world, you won't hear any criticism..  Too sad we're all bending over for the USA.

Russia doesn't want to invade Ukraine. It just want to protect the rights of Eastern Ukrainians from the un-elected puppet government headed by the neo-Nazis in Kiev. It is much different compared to the Americans invading other nations and installing their puppets as the heads of state.
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April 28, 2014, 09:38:42 AM
As I think it's bad to be fully dependent of 1 party (the USA), I don't think it's bad to spread.. And for that matter, I don't care whether it's Russia or for example Japan or Australia (if they should have had gas). We're already too dependent of the USA.

The next country with huge gas resources after russia  is.... Iran. Now this is going to be funny:).
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 09:36:47 AM
As I think it's bad to be fully dependent of 1 party (the USA), I don't think it's bad to spread.. And for that matter, I don't care whether it's Russia or for example Japan or Australia (if they should have had gas). We're already too dependent of the USA.
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April 28, 2014, 09:31:30 AM
Wait did I just hear that right - given the choice, you guys would rather that your countries buy gas from Russia rather than the United States?
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 09:12:10 AM
i hate hollande. this is such a joke. now what? no more trade with russia? lmao. "yeay lets ignore russia and bend in front of mother USA.." fucking idiots.
civil war is coming here too. the more time passes with these incompetents in place the more obvious it seems. Fuck.

A civil war is coming where? In France? I don't think so.

If we really want to harm Russia in someway, we shouldn't be dependent of their gas. The only reasonable way for that is to accept gas from the USA, but do we really want to bend in front of the USA? I think The Netherlands (where I live) and Europe is already too dependent of the USA.. 

give it 10 to 20 years

I think that's too far ahead of us to make reasonable predictions.  As far as this topic concerns, I think Russia won't try to "claim" more countries than this last part of the Ukraine. However, I don't really think they're claiming countries.  Like they said, they are protecting the Russians / Russian speaking people over there.    If the USA would do this anywhere in the world, you won't hear any criticism..  Too sad we're all bending over for the USA.
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 09:08:34 AM
i hate hollande. this is such a joke. now what? no more trade with russia? lmao. "yeay lets ignore russia and bend in front of mother USA.." fucking idiots.
civil war is coming here too. the more time passes with these incompetents in place the more obvious it seems. Fuck.

A civil war is coming where? In France? I don't think so.

If we really want to harm Russia in someway, we shouldn't be dependent of their gas. The only reasonable way for that is to accept gas from the USA, but do we really want to bend in front of the USA? I think The Netherlands (where I live) and Europe is already too dependent of the USA.. 

give it 10 to 20 years
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 09:08:03 AM
i hate hollande. this is such a joke. now what? no more trade with russia? lmao. "yeay lets ignore russia and bend in front of mother USA.." fucking idiots.
civil war is coming here too. the more time passes with these incompetents in place the more obvious it seems. Fuck.

A civil war is coming where? In France? I don't think so.

If we really want to harm Russia in someway, we shouldn't be dependent of their gas. The only reasonable way for that is to accept gas from the USA, but do we really want to bend in front of the USA? I think The Netherlands (where I live) and Europe is already too dependent of the USA.. 
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 09:04:02 AM
i hate hollande. this is such a joke. now what? no more trade with russia? lmao. "yeay lets ignore russia and bend in front of mother USA.." fucking idiots.
civil war is coming here too. the more time passes with these incompetents in place the more obvious it seems. Fuck.
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 07:35:26 AM
And more support for non-puppet parties instead of current pseudo-socialists.

Hollande is facing all time low popularity figures and the only party which is gaining votes at the moment is Front National of Marine Le Penn. It is important to note that the FN supports Russia in the Ukraine crisis.
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 07:13:00 AM
Anyway... this would mean thousands of lost jobs in France.
And more support for non-puppet parties instead of current pseudo-socialists.
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 07:00:39 AM
Now France must pay a penalty according to the contract and refund the advance payment. Cheesy

It's actually fine, because these helicopter carriers would be useless. They are useful only to frighten the natives in Somalia, such senseless contracts and were the reason why Serdyukov was removed from office.

That will be good. May be some of the local manufacturers back at Russia could revive the contract and produce the helicopter carriers at a lower price. Anyway... this would mean thousands of lost jobs in France.
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 06:52:48 AM
What is going on with helicopter carriers (two ships iirc) France was supposed to deliver to Russia, is the contract cancelled?

Yes. Cancelled.

http://www.english.rfi.fr/france/20140321-france-suspends-most-military-cooperation-russia
Now France must pay a penalty according to the contract and refund the advance payment. Cheesy

It's actually fine, because these helicopter carriers would be useless. They are useful only to frighten the natives in Somalia, such senseless contracts and were the reason why Serdyukov was removed from office.
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 06:31:14 AM
What is going on with helicopter carriers (two ships iirc) France was supposed to deliver to Russia, is the contract cancelled?

Yes. Cancelled.

http://www.english.rfi.fr/france/20140321-france-suspends-most-military-cooperation-russia
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April 28, 2014, 06:27:52 AM
Nemo , I'm commenting only on part of the news about Romania Smiley , since you asked.
I'm traveling right now and I don't have enough info on all this but:

Thanks, niothor. News agencies tend to jumble everything they can dig up into one news item, so it was informative and interesting to get a local outlook on things.

Digging through the news....and I found out something I really didn't want to come across
Some Russia propaganda about Romania , and how bad it was for us to join the EU.


http://adevarul.ro/news/eveniment/rusia-declansat-propaganda-stupida-romaniei-1_535d40a50d133766a8244db6/index.html

And of course , the reactions are the one I've thought.
During all this crisis there were about 10/15 comments on the news  50/50 ru/us.
Now 100 people telling that reporter to gfy...

The same stupid propaganda with a reporter in a forgotten village , just like those american experts digging the sand to find Iraq nuclear weapons.

sr. member
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April 28, 2014, 06:17:47 AM
What is going on with helicopter carriers (two ships iirc) France was supposed to deliver to Russia, is the contract cancelled?
legendary
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April 28, 2014, 05:04:20 AM
United States continues its sanctions against Europe:
Europe is prohibited by the US to use Russian rockets to launch its satellites, if said satellites contain American technology.
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/28/launch/
legendary
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April 27, 2014, 09:24:07 PM
In Kharkov, the football ultras clashed with the anti-Kiev protesters, injuring more than a dozen. It is alleged that several dozen Right Sector Nazis took part in the attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=594HWc_WEBo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZWsht8KRSo
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