Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 53. (Read 227096 times)
I find that USA and USSR are like twin brothers. Slightly different ideology (liberalism vs. state capitalism), but identical structure and methods. Also the same destruction process is working.
Wait what the fuck? No dude, they are not even remotely similar in any way at all.
Odessa mourns bloodshed victims, activists demand 'murderer' governor's resignation
http://rt.com/news/156624-odessa-victims-protest-burnt
http://rt.com/news/156624-odessa-victims-protest-burnt
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Around 150 demonstrators in Odessa, southeastern Ukraine have blocked the regional Department of Interior building in protest against officers' inaction during Friday's bloody clashes, sparked by radicals, which left 46 people dead. Protesters have threatened to storm the building and are demanding the resignation of Odessa's governor, Vladimir Nemirovsky, who they refer to as “the murderer.” Activists want those responsible for the violence to be punished.
Does the USSR have insane levels of debt?
It's a part of few differences between USSR in 1980s and today's USA.- USSR used gold standard for currency;
- Soviet central bank was a public company, not a private FED-like entity.
Actually, state capitalism is the worst enemy of FED-like structures, it's their nightmare. Because such approach is able to demonstrate their uselessness.
By the way, soviet currency had no oil dependence until 1961. In 1961, Khrushchev performed the reform which introduced a ruble dependence on oil. This dependence caused some problems few decades later. USA economy is dependent on oil price too, but their dependence is like a reflection of USSR situation. High prices cause an increase in budget spending on import, which accelerates the growth of debt.
I'm not saying I'm a fan of the whole currency as debt model, but Russia's economy and currency are far from a shining example of success. Let's be honest here.
2) I don't see any problem with RF's economy. Unlike USA or EU, RF is able to pay all its debt today. So I agree, it's better to be honest before trying to perform any comparison.
Lugansk declares state of emergency, mobilization amid Kiev’s punitive op
http://rt.com/news/156616-lugansk-state-emergency-mobilization
http://rt.com/news/156616-lugansk-state-emergency-mobilization
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Self-defense forces have declared a state of emergency and full mobilization in the eastern region of Lugansk, amid Kiev’s punitive military operation in the region. The people’s governor of the Lugansk region, Valery Bolotov, has issued a statement declaring the state of emergency in the region, the representative of the so-called united army of the south-east told RIA Novosti.
Still Russia is sending no support for the separatists, despite almost 50 dying in Odessa, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk yesterday. I think Putin will wait until all of the pro-federalization supporters are finished off by the neo Nazis.
You mean he needs more bodies to start acting? How many dead Russians is enough for his appetite? Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. I think Putin is actually cornered and he doesn't know what to do next. He miscalculated something: he was counting on much stronger, massive support for rebellion by ethnic Russian civilians, which didn't really happen; beside that he was probably hoping that Kiev will not be able to find troops determined to fight, if necessary. But days of Ukrainian units handing their weapons to rebels and going home are over, I'm afraid.
As I said earlier, Moscow's attitude towards their people in Donbas region hasn't been fair from the very beginning. Officials were giving them false hope that Donbas can take the same path as Crimea, which is clearly impossible without the large scale military intervention - costly adventure Russia is not ready to pay. I was also under strong impression that Moscow-Donbas communication channel is not working very well, and that has just been admitted by Kremlin who stated that it doesn't have influence on anti-Kiev militants in eastern Ukraine.
Ukrainian citizen murdered by Right Sector in Kramatorsk:
Does the USSR have insane levels of debt?
It's a part of few differences between USSR in 1980s and today's USA.- USSR used gold standard for currency;
- Soviet central bank was a public company, not a private FED-like entity.
Actually, state capitalism is the worst enemy of FED-like structures, it's their nightmare. Because such approach is able to demonstrate their uselessness.
By the way, soviet currency had no oil dependence until 1961. In 1961, Khrushchev performed the reform which introduced a ruble dependence on oil. This dependence caused some problems few decades later. USA economy is dependent on oil price too, but their dependence is like a reflection of USSR situation. High prices cause an increase in budget spending on import, which accelerates the growth of debt.
I'm not saying I'm a fan of the whole currency as debt model, but Russia's economy and currency are far from a shining example of success. Let's be honest here.
Could you translate that? Or at least put some short summary what is it. I don't speak russian/ukrainian.
Moscow: Kiev and its Western sponsors provoke bloodshed, are directly responsible
http://rt.com/news/156596-moscow-kiev-bloodshed-responsible
Ukraine MP Lesya Orobets celebrating death of Russian speaking people in Odessa:
http://rt.com/news/156596-moscow-kiev-bloodshed-responsible
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Spokesperson for Russian President Vladimir Putin, Dmitry Peskov, released an official statement following the tragic events in Odessa. 39 anti-government activists have died in a fire at the Trade Unions House there, after the building was set ablaze by pro-Kiev radicals. Some anti-Kiev protesters burned to death, while others suffocated or jumped out of windows, the Ukrainian Interior Ministry said.
Ukraine MP Lesya Orobets celebrating death of Russian speaking people in Odessa:
Victims of the massacre at Odessa, perpetrated by the Right Sector:
NSFW:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmsPMpxCIAEZxvF.jpg
NSFW:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmsPMpxCIAEZxvF.jpg
NATO Commander Says Russia Doesn't Need to Invade to Take Over Eastern Ukraine
http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/nato-commander-says-russia-doesn-t-need-to-invade-to-take-over-eastern-ukraine-20140502
http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/nato-commander-says-russia-doesn-t-need-to-invade-to-take-over-eastern-ukraine-20140502
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Instead, Russian President Vladimir Putin may be able to annex pieces of Ukraine simply by encouraging unrest among pro-Russian forces inside the country, said Air Force Gen. Philip Breedlove, who commands U.S. and European NATO forces. "As little as a week and a half, two weeks ago, I would have put military incursion as the most likely outcome," Breedlove told National Journal. "Now, I don't take that option off the table—[Putin] can still use it, his force is imminently prepared to do that—but he may be able to accomplish his objectives with simply the unrest his forces are causing in eastern Ukraine right now."
Still Russia is sending no support for the separatists, despite almost 50 dying in Odessa, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk yesterday. I think Putin will wait until all of the pro-federalization supporters are finished off by the neo Nazis.
Heard that most of the Right Sector members who arrived in Odessa where from Kharkov.
Still Russia is sending no support for the separatists, despite almost 50 dying in Odessa, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk yesterday. I think Putin will wait until all of the pro-federalization supporters are finished off by the neo Nazis.
Does the USSR have insane levels of debt?
It's a part of few differences between USSR in 1980s and today's USA.- USSR used gold standard for currency;
- Soviet central bank was a public company, not a private FED-like entity.
Actually, state capitalism is the worst enemy of FED-like structures, it's their nightmare. Because such approach is able to demonstrate their uselessness.
By the way, soviet currency had no oil dependence until 1961. In 1961, Khrushchev performed the reform which introduced a ruble dependence on oil. This dependence caused some problems few decades later. USA economy is dependent on oil price too, but their dependence is like a reflection of USSR situation. High prices cause an increase in budget spending on import, which accelerates the growth of debt.
I find that USA and USSR are like twin brothers. Slightly different ideology (liberalism vs. state capitalism), but identical structure and methods. Also the same destruction process is working.
Does the USSR have insane levels of debt?
I thought they are relatively rich from oil? (and gold?)
Of course the USA has a lot of oil but leaves much of it in the ground.
38 people die after radicals set Trade Unions House on fire in Ukraine's Odessa
At least 38 anti-government activists died in fire at Odessa’s Trade Unions House after suffocating with smoke or jumping out of windows of the burning building, Ukrainian Interior Ministry reported. The building was set ablaze by the pro-Kiev radicals.
Some 50 people, including 10 police officers, were also injured in the incident, the official statement said. It was not immediately clear whether those injured in Friday street clashes in Odessa were included in those numbers.
According to the ministry, the Friday standoff on Odessa included “anti-Maidan” activists on one side and “football fans” from Odessa and Kharkov, as well as "euro-Maidan" activists, on the other. A criminal case on the charges of mass unrest has been opened.
The Trade Unions House was set on fire by pro-Kiev radicals after they surrounded and destroyed the tent camp of anti-government activists that stood in front of the building on Odessa’s Kulikovo Field Square. It was torched in a storming attempt after some of the anti-Maidan activists rallying in the square barricaded themselves inside the building.
Thirty of the victims were found on the floors of the building having apparently suffocated to death with smoke. Eight more died after jumping out of the burning Trade Union House’s windows, according to police.
Earlier reports of the clashes in Odessa said that both sides used Molotov cocktails and, allegedly, gunfire.
A live video stream from inside the building showed disturbing scenes of supposedly dead bodies lying around the rooms with thick smoke in the air and blood stains on the floor.
http://rt.com/news/156480-odessa-fire-protesters-dead/
Putin: Washington behind Ukraine events all along, though flying low
http://rt.com/news/155732-putin-usa-behind-ukraine-crisis/
http://rt.com/news/155732-putin-usa-behind-ukraine-crisis/
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“I think what is happening now shows us who really was mastering the process from the beginning. But in the beginning, the United States preferred to remain in the shadow,” Putin said, as quoted by RIA Novosti.
Hahahahahaha! So USA set up Ukraine as a trap by destabilizing it, and idiot Putin completely fell for it by attempting to invade it, just as USA planned? What a moron XD
And DEAR GOD, do you read any sources other than Russian propaganda bullshit? Based on all these news reports, you would think that Ukraine is on the brink of civil war, with fascists taking over the government, and everyone else freaking out and trying to escape the imminent fascist rule. While the actual news, coming from the people actually living there, is more along the lines of the people currently in power are helpless to do anything, and everyone in Ukraine is just worried about Russia invading them, and thinking they may have to fight off Russians.
IMF approves $17bn Ukraine bailout package
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27233152
Meanwhile the UAH is hitting record lows against USD / EUR.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27233152
Meanwhile the UAH is hitting record lows against USD / EUR.
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