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legendary
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A trader will only make profit in short-term and might lose all his profit in the long run which it's the opposite to investing.
What do you mean? If traders convert his profits into fiats or stable coins, there will be no chance to lose the profits in the long run. It depends on the way of traders in managing their profits. Anyway, traders may get lower profits but they will get profits more often. If we count the total profits of traders and investors, it may have no significant difference.

Investing will give you good profit in the long run because you are only buying and growing overtime. While a trader is buying and selling, he would be left with little or no bitcoin in future.
Since investment is for a long term holding, surely it will give profits in the long run.
Traders take profits daily if they do daytrading. They will get enough profits if they are quite professional in daytrading. Their total profits will be quite high if we count it in a year, 2 years, or more. So, I hope you don't underestimate traders, they are not the people who have small money in crypto. They also use big amount of money in trading.

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The investor or trader who has more experience or knowledge is more profitable. To be profitable, you have to learn to avoid losses. And to learn to avoid losses, you need to be experienced or knowledgeable.
The combination of experience and knowledge will indeed give birth to a classier way of thinking and also be wiser in taking action or decisions when you want to do something related to the market. But in conditions like today, traders and investors can both have different levels of profit because investors who have been storing more Bitcoin for a long time will feel the maximum profit at this time. Meanwhile, traders who never get bored with market conditions can also collect more profits through several cryptocurrencies that they have liked so far.
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Tbh a lot of factors have to be considered here, for example we shall have to look at the winning rate of the  trader, we need to all consider if the trader is a day trader or swing trader etc, and for the hodler we shall need to know the volume of crypto involved, we need to know if any new coins are pumped into the portfolio along the way etcetera...

Otherwise,  I think for the holder it's the safer route with less risk compared to trading,  but trading is high risk high reward if one knows what they are doing...so for me trader profits more!
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When we talk about bull market we talking of a 2x price appreciation, and let take bitcoin for example, who profits more between a long term and me holder who bought bitcoin at a price range of $35,000 and bitcoin reaching $100,000, so a trader who open his trading position of 10 and with a good amount of capital around when the price is 71,000, so between the two who stand the chance of profiting more putting into consideration the timing that it involved for both parties.

Taking this question out of my personal curiosity of the market and how each bull run. Ale more millionaires in the bitcoin ecosystem, via trading vs holding.

Well both of them got earned during the past rally of bitcoin more than 2 weeks ago, it doesn't matter who earned more of the two because the more important thing is that they both benefited from the temporary rally that is happening, right?

Then what others know is that long-term holders benefit more and there are others who benefit more than day traders,
so, therefore they still benefit equally.


To be precise, profit will depend on our knowledge and not on whether we are traders or long-term investors. And becoming a trader or an investor will depend on each person's strengths and interests to make the right choice, we should not imitate others. Suppose trading can bring greater profits, but if we are not suitable and cannot make profits from it, then what is the point of persisting in being a trader and what benefits does it bring us?

Although many people say that trading is much more difficult, which is true, but many traders have made a lot of money from trading and are not inferior to investors. Therefore, the profit will depend on each person's knowledge. If we do not have knowledge or do not have much knowledge, we cannot expect to earn more profit than those who have knowledge and experience in the market.
Yes, it will really be that pertain on how well you do able to buy in cheaper prices and sell it out when there's a pumping market. In speaking about on whose really that making profits on a bull market then it could really be that both. It will really be that too obvious that you will really be having that kind of opportunity on making money because on the moment that you do find yourself having such cheap entry or accumulation while prices are still low and the nthe market do make out some recovery then it will really be just that understandable that you had made out the right decision but of course those are not guaranteed because market could really be having some decline on which it will really be that out of  your expectations or anticipations. We do know that when it comes into this manner then it will really be that not guaranteed or sure that you had made out the right call or positioning.

Profits made will really be basing up on how well you do place yourself into those bottom prices on which each trader or investor would really be having their own ways or strategies.
Outcomes and results would really be that still on total random basis when it comes into this manner.
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The investor or trader who has more experience or knowledge is more profitable. To be profitable, you have to learn to avoid losses. And to learn to avoid losses, you need to be experienced or knowledgeable.
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When we talk about bull market we talking of a 2x price appreciation, and let take bitcoin for example, who profits more between a long term and me holder who bought bitcoin at a price range of $35,000 and bitcoin reaching $100,000, so a trader who open his trading position of 10 and with a good amount of capital around when the price is 71,000, so between the two who stand the chance of profiting more putting into consideration the timing that it involved for both parties.

Taking this question out of my personal curiosity of the market and how each bull run. Ale more millionaires in the bitcoin ecosystem, via trading vs holding.

Well both of them got earned during the past rally of bitcoin more than 2 weeks ago, it doesn't matter who earned more of the two because the more important thing is that they both benefited from the temporary rally that is happening, right?

Then what others know is that long-term holders benefit more and there are others who benefit more than day traders,
so, therefore they still benefit equally.


To be precise, profit will depend on our knowledge and not on whether we are traders or long-term investors. And becoming a trader or an investor will depend on each person's strengths and interests to make the right choice, we should not imitate others. Suppose trading can bring greater profits, but if we are not suitable and cannot make profits from it, then what is the point of persisting in being a trader and what benefits does it bring us?

Although many people say that trading is much more difficult, which is true, but many traders have made a lot of money from trading and are not inferior to investors. Therefore, the profit will depend on each person's knowledge. If we do not have knowledge or do not have much knowledge, we cannot expect to earn more profit than those who have knowledge and experience in the market.
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When we talk about bull market we talking of a 2x price appreciation, and let take bitcoin for example, who profits more between a long term and me holder who bought bitcoin at a price range of $35,000 and bitcoin reaching $100,000, so a trader who open his trading position of 10 and with a good amount of capital around when the price is 71,000, so between the two who stand the chance of profiting more putting into consideration the timing that it involved for both parties.

Taking this question out of my personal curiosity of the market and how each bull run. Ale more millionaires in the bitcoin ecosystem, via trading vs holding.

Well both of them got earned during the past rally of bitcoin more than 2 weeks ago, it doesn't matter who earned more of the two because the more important thing is that they both benefited from the temporary rally that is happening, right?

Then what others know is that long-term holders benefit more and there are others who benefit more than day traders,
so, therefore they still benefit equally.
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When we talk about bull market we talking of a 2x price appreciation, and let take bitcoin for example, who profits more between a long term and me holder who bought bitcoin at a price range of $35,000 and bitcoin reaching $100,000, so a trader who open his trading position of 10 and with a good amount of capital around when the price is 71,000, so between the two who stand the chance of profiting more putting into consideration the timing that it involved for both parties.

Taking this question out of my personal curiosity of the market and how each bull run. Ale more millionaires in the bitcoin ecosystem, via trading vs holding.
If by trader you mean short time traders then definitely a professional trader who has good knowledge about fundamental analysis from technical analysis they gain profit from crypto market throughout the year. Meanwhile, their profit and loss combined, I think what will be at the end will definitely be less than those who hold bitcoins. I said this since you talked about bitcoin holders. Because bitcoin holders who have been holding bitcoins for six to seven years from today are not like imagining their profits.

Now if I say about me, I have no profit by short-term trading but there is a lot of loss and because I did trade without having proper knowledge. But I am able to gain a good amount of profit from all my funds which I have invested in bitcoin for long term, currently I am in profit.
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A trader will only make profit in short-term and might lose all his profit in the long run which it's the opposite to investing. Investing will give you good profit in the long run because you are only buying and growing overtime. While a trader is buying and selling, he would be left with little or no bitcoin in future. Show me a trader, and I will show you a lot of bitcoin long-term investor that have made huge profits for hodli till date. Trading and making profit is easy said than done.
exactly, I've seen plenty of traders' personal PnL and there's always occasional pullback in their PnL that annihilates their week long profit Grin. trading is really hard to stay in profit with all the market uncertainty, only people who can see the future can make meaningful profit, arguably there are people who able to make millions of dollars from trading, but they are people with extensive knowledge.

meanwhile holding bitcoin is as easy as just buy and forget it, people who bought BTC in previous ATH are all in profit, no need to risk money and they'd be making 100%++ profit in just few years holding even less.
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Looking at the current situation, traders could make some profit, but they can't make as much as holders, look at how much holders made in the last 2-3 weeks, we made a lot of profit, and that is why I always preferred to be mainly a holder. Don't get me wrong I do trade with a small portion of my money too and I am making some profit with it as well, but I am not really expecting that to change anytime soon, we are going to see this growing to be something huge, and that means trading is fine as well, there is nothing wrong with that.

However, just because I make some profit from trading, doesn't mean that I am going to ignore the fact that I made much more profit from holding, and that is the reason why most of my money is at holding. If I had the reverse situation, where I would be trading and making more money from trading than holding then I would be able to put more money into trading than holding, but since that is not the case, then I put the money on the most profitable part.

This is me though, not everyone is like me, some people make more money from trading and that is why they are mainly traders, if you are like that then I would understand why you would prefer trading over holding.
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I also think that people who have knowledge and experience in trading will be more profitable than holders, I honestly the holder can also get a very large profit if it goes in Early, but for I think it means to some people who make purchases when they are available at large market, of course it will not be the same, and the same as traders, if the holder has the ability to analyze projects or coins that have the potential to get a large increase then they can also profit, but to see which one is more each person.


That's true if we're talking about the top 10% of most profitable traders in crypto, but because it's a fact that 90% of "traders" actually lose, then MOST active traders DON'T profit more during a bull market. If you can't outperform Bitcoin, then it would be a more sound decision to HODL all your trading capital in Bitcoin. That would save you time, money, and most importantly - your mental sanity. Cool

Yep.
BTC-holding is the most stable investment you can make, and it can work wonders with the right funds allocated to it.
The question is what would be your target and funds and so on, however - nobody would restrict you from holding and trading at the same time.
So it's wise just to take both from both worlds and try to succeed Grin

This means that everything has advantages and disadvantages in this situation, but returning to each, not always in investing in Bitcoin will also profit, there will be a drama behind the person who sells in a state of loss, all that can happen, but I agree if 10% of successful traders, while 90% of successful bitcoin holders, I think the theory can be proven enough if it is truly good at carrying out holds and trade in the market.
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When we talk about bull market we talking of a 2x price appreciation, and let take bitcoin for example, who profits more between a long term and me holder who bought bitcoin at a price range of $35,000 and bitcoin reaching $100,000, so a trader who open his trading position of 10 and with a good amount of capital around when the price is 71,000, so between the two who stand the chance of profiting more putting into consideration the timing that it involved for both parties.

Taking this question out of my personal curiosity of the market and how each bull run. Ale more millionaires in the bitcoin ecosystem, via trading vs holding.
Most of cases is just a question of luck,
however with trading you can help your wealth to grow
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not always true though, some trader might blow their entire month's profit in just one trading mistake, most of the trader doesn't just always profit everyday, some of them have occassional pullback as well, even the best trader there is doesn't have 100% win rate, probably just around 70%, which is still good if they can manage their trade with proper SL/TP setup and risk management.
Well, I didn't said that all traders make more profits then investors and I'll stick to my original comment once again that good traders will make more profit then investors and I know that myself as being a trader/investors from a long time.

Traders who are good at doing technical analysis and a proper strategy plus a trading plan end up being more profitable then investors and they don't have to wait years to earn those profits.

I know there are some crazy and impatient investors who blow their profits or whole capital by doing a trading mistake but the good traders don't make such mistakes as they use stop losses or averaging all the time.
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Those that have held since $49k dip of this year, estimating everyone owns 1 BTC. Now, we're on $40k~ profits without doing anything.
Traders does a lot of analysis, chart basis reading, etc and gets some losses, and for a few months of trade, only a few of them could hit that profits.
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...Of course, now BTC is no 5 dollars, but it still is worth investing in no matter the price.

For those who do not know how to trade, holding Bitcoin is the most profitable solution. But if there is such an opportunity to get a big profit from trading, then you should definitely take advantage of it. In this case, you will be able to reinvest the profit you receive into the purchase of BTC, and the other part of the profit to your family.
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Taking this question out of my personal curiosity of the market and how each bull run. Ale more millionaires in the bitcoin ecosystem, via trading vs holding.
Above all calculations, traders will always be more profitable than investors (holders) but the issue is that trading is not easy, notwithstanding, all conditions being equal, traders will make multiples of what investors will make periodically. This is why we always need to differentiate them if it's ROI or account safety we want. If it's ROI, a good trader will make more, but if it's the lower risk which will automatically mean better account safety, then investment has it. The choice is ours!
A trader will only make profit in short-term and might lose all his profit in the long run which it's the opposite to investing. Investing will give you good profit in the long run because you are only buying and growing overtime. While a trader is buying and selling, he would be left with little or no bitcoin in future. Show me a trader, and I will show you a lot of bitcoin long-term investor that have made huge profits for hodli till date. Trading and making profit is easy said than done.
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From the part of my post that you edited out, was there no "good" attached to the condition of the trader? Now, if the situation becomes equal where the trader is good and the investor is also good at their jobs, won't what I said subsist? That's just it unless you do not want to accept the fact. You only brought this up from the judgemental of how trading is difficult to profit you (because people lack the needed psychology and expertise) and investment is easier to profit you without regarding the general possibility of how the two can profit you if you are good at them both.
Holder being good means that he just holds and doesn't sell, so there is a quite limited amount of profit they could make on the long run, there isn't really anything more they could do. You buy, you hold, that's all the holder can do.

A "good" holder would just mean that it would be someone who doesn't sell when the price goes down but just buys more to make sure he does DCA, nothing more, that's all a holder could do, hence why it's limited and can't be all that different.

Whereas, a trader isn't someone like that, a trader could lose 100% of their money and be broke, or he could just trade and make 100x return too, you can't make that kind of return holding, maybe some alltcoins if you are lucky but not with bitcoin, or any other investment like gold or properties as well

Hence, a trader could make a lot more than what a holder could make, if the trader is a good one then there is in theory nothing that stops them from making an unlimited amount of money, going from just 100 dollars to 1 million dollars isn't impossible for a trader, especially with how the high leverage trading works. This is the difference, nobody says trading is better, we are just pointing out a good trader will make more than a good holder, but most people are not good traders in real market (compared to their theoretical knowledge).
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The question looks like a similar question but not, it's obvious that during bullrun someone who hold coin for long term will profit more because the coin it's holding may probably reached 5X or more depending when it started holding coins,so I know that holding a coin is something that turn people into billionaire, for example, people that hold bitcoin since 8 to 9 year, and they hold big fraction of bitcoin, by now those people will be a billionaire in Bitcoin, that is why I will prefer holding bitcoin than trading, so another of holding Bitcoin is that you can't loss your bitcoin or your coin same time whereas during trading you can loss everything in your portfolio within short time.

It will be difficult for you to become a billionaire if you bought bitcoin for 50 thousand instead of 5 dollars) To achieve this goal, you will need to buy several hundred million dollars worth of BTC. But the fact that it is much more difficult for a holder to lose his money than for a trader is an undeniable fact.

Holder is the one who listens to the market not so much because he doesn't need to, in fact.
He just waits out the right moment and DCAs or buys in lumps, then rinse and repeat until the profit is made.
Of course, now BTC is no 5 dollars, but it still is worth investing in no matter the price.
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I also think that people who have knowledge and experience in trading will be more profitable than holders, I honestly the holder can also get a very large profit if it goes in Early, but for I think it means to some people who make purchases when they are available at large market, of course it will not be the same, and the same as traders, if the holder has the ability to analyze projects or coins that have the potential to get a large increase then they can also profit, but to see which one is more each person.

It's a risk-reward type of deal, where you trade off the stability of your funds to get more lucrative rewards.
But I would stick to holding out all day because it wouldn't affect my nerves that much. And they are scarce these days.
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I also think that people who have knowledge and experience in trading will be more profitable than holders, I honestly the holder can also get a very large profit if it goes in Early, but for I think it means to some people who make purchases when they are available at large market, of course it will not be the same, and the same as traders, if the holder has the ability to analyze projects or coins that have the potential to get a large increase then they can also profit, but to see which one is more each person.


That's true if we're talking about the top 10% of most profitable traders in crypto, but because it's a fact that 90% of "traders" actually lose, then MOST active traders DON'T profit more during a bull market. If you can't outperform Bitcoin, then it would be a more sound decision to HODL all your trading capital in Bitcoin. That would save you time, money, and most importantly - your mental sanity. Cool

Yep.
BTC-holding is the most stable investment you can make, and it can work wonders with the right funds allocated to it.
The question is what would be your target and funds and so on, however - nobody would restrict you from holding and trading at the same time.
So it's wise just to take both from both worlds and try to succeed Grin
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