Who profits more during bull Market, trader vs holder?

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on November 06, 2024, 12:59:48 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on October 30, 2024, 02:44:38 PM

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Taking this question out of my personal curiosity of the market and how each bull run. Ale more millionaires in the bitcoin ecosystem, via trading vs holding.

Above all calculations, traders will always be more profitable than investors (holders) but the issue is that trading is not easy, notwithstanding, all conditions being equal, traders will make multiples of what investors will make periodically. This is why we always need to differentiate them if it's ROI or account safety we want. If it's ROI, a good trader will make more, but if it's the lower risk which will automatically mean better account safety, then investment has it. The choice is ours!

Traders are taking more risk than investors who will just invest in a particular project and wait for the pump to sell; but traders do have target and if gone wrong, they will risk all their money especially if they don’t know how to do proper risk management.
Good traders that have good knowledge and experience about trading and technical analysis do always gain in any market situation, they know their way out in the bear market as well as the bull run, that’s why they are always active and always have profit. Investors do have bastard money sometimes when they hit some projects that will give them huge amount of profit within short period of time, but for traders, it can be very minute.

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The question looks like a similar question but not, it's obvious that during bullrun someone who hold coin for long term will profit more because the coin it's holding may probably reached 5X or more depending when it started holding coins,so I know that holding a coin is something that turn people into billionaire, for example, people that hold bitcoin since 8 to 9 year, and they hold big fraction of bitcoin, by now those people will be a billionaire in Bitcoin, that is why I will prefer holding bitcoin than trading, so another of holding Bitcoin is that you can't loss your bitcoin or your coin same time whereas during trading you can loss everything in your portfolio within short time.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on November 06, 2024, 12:59:48 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on October 30, 2024, 02:44:38 PM

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Taking this question out of my personal curiosity of the market and how each bull run. Ale more millionaires in the bitcoin ecosystem, via trading vs holding.

Above all calculations, traders will always be more profitable than investors (holders) but the issue is that trading is not easy, notwithstanding, all conditions being equal, traders will make multiples of what investors will make periodically.

You're failing to take into account such factors as:
Risk management.
Trading experience/knowledge.
Size of trading capital. Etc.
Trading not been easy as you already know would mean that the tendency of losing is as much as high as that of making good ROI but for a long term holder the above factor doesn't really have significant effect on his profit in as much as he's willing to hodl long provided he started hodling at a good dip price.

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Quote from: Ricardo11 on November 06, 2024, 11:46:51 AM

Quote from: bettercrypto on November 06, 2024, 02:24:34 AM

Most of the time the ones who become profitable in the bull run are the long-term holders, and if there are traders who become profitable, it is the expert traders or scalpers who can benefit from these situations. But those other traders who don't have a deep or broad knowledge of trading are for sure not going to benefit from that.

The majority community in the crypto space knows this; that's the only logic: if you don't know about trading, nothing good will happen to you when you do trading activity.
This is the common thing that happens in the world of crypto trading.

Without sufficient knowledge and experience in trading, no one can achieve success in trading, the trading market is very volatile, if you do not do proper market research for trading here, the risk of losing is very high. Therefore, to achieve success in trading, it is very important to have quick market analysis and risk management experience, if someone wants to trade without proper experience, all the right strategies and proper market research, then he will only go towards disaster, because in trading you will lose everything because of a small mistake. Therefore, you should know everything about trading well and then start this trading.

Even though you have great knowledge about trading and you don't utilize your risk management, you can still lose money. Trading is more of taking risks and understanding why we are taking that risk and what we tend to gain or lose if something goes wrong. When we are knowledgeable about the risk we are taking and what could be the after effects if something goes wrong with our trades, that alone can make us take extra measures ensuring that we don't do too much that can make us lose more money. Whether we are traders or investors, the capital we are using to trade or hold will determine how much we can make in the crypto market.

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Quote from: Salahmu on November 07, 2024, 09:24:50 AM

Yeah on that regards if that can actually happened then the trader and the holder will certainly earn the same profit at the end if they use the same amount, however I doubt if a trader can only open one order and holds as much as a holder because holding is refers to a very long period of investment which could be of the interval of several years, so there is no way a trader would like to open only one position for that long because I understand that trading is mostly done on a short period of time and not for opening an order to be lasted for several years, however on a more clear explanation of the reason why trader that has only a single order will not earn more than a holder even if holding his position for as long as the holder, so perhaps let's say a holder put $50k and the trader also open a position with the same $50k and decided to leave it as the holder, they would both come out with the same results after those years, so indirectly the trader has made himself a holder by staying that long.

I would not insist on my opinion if I could not confirm my words. I have previously left a message about this, and accompanied it with a screenshot - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64696436 Re-read this post and you will understand that there are some traders who have been holding their position with maximum leverage for one year, since when Bitcoin was worth $26365.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on November 06, 2024, 12:59:48 PM

Above all calculations, traders will always be more profitable than investors (holders) but the issue is that trading is not easy, notwithstanding, all conditions being equal, traders will make multiples of what investors will make periodically. This is why we always need to differentiate them if it's ROI or account safety we want. If it's ROI, a good trader will make more, but if it's the lower risk which will automatically mean better account safety, then investment has it. The choice is ours!

The truth is opposite and in your post you mentioned it too. Trading is more profitable than holding only if you are very professional and successful trader with very good success rate in trading. If you are not a trader like this, and most of us are not a trader like this, trading is less profitable than investment and holding.

Holding will not cause you any loss and you can enjoy nearly maximum profit with your bitcoin. With trading, you can win or lose and in long run, it's hard to make it better and more profitable than investment. If everyone can be rich with trading, there is no saying "If you can not hold, you can't be rich", which is true.

See the ROI of Bitcoin with years of holding, if you hold your bitcoin, you will get profit and holding it in more market cycles, you will get better ROI.
https://casebitcoin.com/

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Quote from: tvplus006 on November 01, 2024, 04:44:38 PM

Quote from: Salahmu on November 01, 2024, 12:19:51 PM

This question is quite difficult to answer from your perspective but however I would like to answer based on the process a trader could have undergo on the process, so actually if both a trader and a holder invested on Bitcoin when the price was at $35k and later on the price of Bitcoin got to $100k, the person that would be on a higher profit will be the holder because he never touches his Bitcoin in anyway but instead he keeps adding more, while the trader on the other hand will not make much profit because is obvious that before the Bitcoin price got to that amount a trader would have open so many positions and of course a good number of those positions may not turn out well for him, so that's why I believe that a holder has more chance to profit than the trader on this scenario.

Well, if we consider the option that the trader has opened only one order and holds it as much as the holder. In this case, his profit will exceed the profit received by the holder. And the size of this profit will depend on the leverage when opening an order.

Yeah on that regards if that can actually happened then the trader and the holder will certainly earn the same profit at the end if they use the same amount, however I doubt if a trader can only open one order and holds as much as a holder because holding is refers to a very long period of investment which could be of the interval of several years, so there is no way a trader would like to open only one position for that long because I understand that trading is mostly done on a short period of time and not for opening an order to be lasted for several years, however on a more clear explanation of the reason why trader that has only a single order will not earn more than a holder even if holding his position for as long as the holder, so perhaps let's say a holder put $50k and the trader also open a position with the same $50k and decided to leave it as the holder, they would both come out with the same results after those years, so indirectly the trader has made himself a holder by staying that long.

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Quote from: Wiwo on October 30, 2024, 02:44:38 PM

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Taking this question out of my personal curiosity of the market and how each bull run. Ale more millionaires in the bitcoin ecosystem, via trading vs holding.

Above all calculations, traders will always be more profitable than investors (holders) but the issue is that trading is not easy, notwithstanding, all conditions being equal, traders will make multiples of what investors will make periodically. This is why we always need to differentiate them if it's ROI or account safety we want. If it's ROI, a good trader will make more, but if it's the lower risk which will automatically mean better account safety, then investment has it. The choice is ours!

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Quote from: bettercrypto on November 06, 2024, 02:24:34 AM

Most of the time the ones who become profitable in the bull run are the long-term holders, and if there are traders who become profitable, it is the expert traders or scalpers who can benefit from these situations. But those other traders who don't have a deep or broad knowledge of trading are for sure not going to benefit from that.

The majority community in the crypto space knows this; that's the only logic: if you don't know about trading, nothing good will happen to you when you do trading activity.
This is the common thing that happens in the world of crypto trading.

Without sufficient knowledge and experience in trading, no one can achieve success in trading, the trading market is very volatile, if you do not do proper market research for trading here, the risk of losing is very high. Therefore, to achieve success in trading, it is very important to have quick market analysis and risk management experience, if someone wants to trade without proper experience, all the right strategies and proper market research, then he will only go towards disaster, because in trading you will lose everything because of a small mistake. Therefore, you should know everything about trading well and then start this trading.

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Can you tell more in detail what changed in your perspective on the BTC and what it actually is - but for you?
I am too on such a path so I would be glad to hear some opinions.. as well as to gain more knowledge, of course..

It's merely about my personal opinions, which as the stupid one in BitcoinTalk, those opinions usually end with other users of the forum name-call me as "unserious" or "dishonest".

The latest perspective that I've have posted, although I already had this perspective before I was called out, is Bitcoin's market as a "Naturally-Occurring Ponzi" - Wherein a seller to sell in profit, then new money from buyers must come into the system. Because how else could anyone sell for a profit in ANY market?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The other changing perspective is Bitcoin's decreasing security budget/mining rewards. Because depending just on the fees might not be very sustainable, especially if features like Ordinals and Runes are seen by the majority of users as "exploits".

In my opinion, BTC is no Ponzi-scheme, however, it does work just with the shitcoins - funds flow in, the ones who hold it can go out, and the price decrease, but due to the sheer volume of money going in, you can't be the one to push the BTC into something like $20k. And institutions do play their role too, going in with ETFs and making sure that BTC is the coin that is in such high regard that even entities like that go after it. We don't see Blackrock buying DOGE or ETFs for it being created.. Grin

So, I do agree with your view in that regard, however - it's how the market works.

If you got the context of the point I was making, I never said Bitcoin itself is a "Ponzi Scheme". What I said was the market is a Naturally-Occurring Ponzi", like Gold - It's a sort of process. It's more of "Ponzi-like" than a "Ponzi Scheme". There's no fraudulent behavior/nefarious individual at the top, BUT there are feedback loops driven by expectations, confidence, and something unique in Bitcoin, driven by ideology.

Because when the price surges, then more investors are attracted and therefore continuing the cycle for as long as possible - until the inevitable market crash.

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Taking this question out of my personal curiosity of the market and how each bull run. Ale more millionaires in the bitcoin ecosystem, via trading vs holding.

Good traders always make more profits then investors because traders buy sell multiple times within a year and investors buy and hold an asset to gain profits from it. I know investing is way safer than trading but with trading the potential of earning higher profits is possible.

Someone who's a good trader can earn higher profits by shorting Bitcoin with leveraging when it's at the peak. Just think that the ones who shorted Bitcoin when it reached $73.5k a few days ago with 10x leverage have already made a lot profit with it.

not always true though, some trader might blow their entire month's profit in just one trading mistake, most of the trader doesn't just always profit everyday, some of them have occassional pullback as well, even the best trader there is doesn't have 100% win rate, probably just around 70%, which is still good if they can manage their trade with proper SL/TP setup and risk management.

the investor on the other hand, just ignores the market price action and just hold their coin with targeted price, it works flawlessly and the fact that it carries no risk of getting blown up because of trade means if the market is rising high just like how BTC rise from $16k to $70k, they've made so much profit without even the need to risk their capital which i find pretty astonishing.

the thing is, a trader will more likely trade 1-5% of their entire capital's worth for the sake of risk management compared to investor who just invest 100% of their money, so a trader can keep making profit swing trading doesn't mean their portfolio can grow dramatically fast.

It all depends on the skill each of them has.
And, trading has more potential, whereas investing - has more stability to it, if you do it with coins that are old and reliable.
Sometimes trader has his lows, and his highs - and the investor just waits patiently for the situation to change or break out.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 06, 2024, 02:29:40 AM

Quote from: ? on November 05, 2024, 02:43:43 AM

Can you tell more in detail what changed in your perspective on the BTC and what it actually is - but for you?
I am too on such a path so I would be glad to hear some opinions.. as well as to gain more knowledge, of course..

It's merely about my personal opinions, which as the stupid one in BitcoinTalk, those opinions usually end with other users of the forum name-call me as "unserious" or "dishonest".

The latest perspective that I've have posted, although I already had this perspective before I was called out, is Bitcoin's market as a "Naturally-Occurring Ponzi" - Wherein a seller to sell in profit, then new money from buyers must come into the system. Because how else could anyone sell for a profit in ANY market?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The other changing perspective is Bitcoin's decreasing security budget/mining rewards. Because depending just on the fees might not be very sustainable, especially if features like Ordinals and Runes are seen by the majority of users as "exploits".

In my opinion, BTC is no Ponzi-scheme, however, it does work just with the shitcoins - funds flow in, the ones who hold it can go out, and the price decrease, but due to the sheer volume of money going in, you can't be the one to push the BTC into something like $20k. And institutions do play their role too, going in with ETFs and making sure that BTC is the coin that is in such high regard that even entities like that go after it. We don't see Blackrock buying DOGE or ETFs for it being created.. Grin

So, I do agree with your view in that regard, however - it's how the market works.

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Quote from: bettercrypto on November 06, 2024, 02:24:34 AM

Most of the time the ones who become profitable in the bull run are the long-term holders, and if there are traders who become profitable, it is the expert traders or scalpers who can benefit from these situations. But those other traders who don't have a deep or broad knowledge of trading are for sure not going to benefit from that.

The majority community in the crypto space knows this; that's the only logic: if you don't know about trading, nothing good will happen to you when you do trading activity.
This is the common thing that happens in the world of crypto trading.

..Or if you trade - do it responsibly, bit by bit.
Don't gamble your funds away, if you want to learn.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 04, 2024, 09:30:09 PM

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Those who received huge profits during bull run market are those that hold a bitcoins for a long periods of times, because his bitcoin has less resume than trading with this big amount of money that some people use to trade is the same that amount some use to become what people cannot expected then in life, since they aware that to be come expect in trading you need to be on research every moment’s and it also deserve those that have enough knowledge.

But in holding there’s nothing like you need to have knowledge or going tutorials about the only things is for having experience and patience, because a person who’s lack of patience cannot hold a Bitcoin of not at end of day it will end achieving nothing when ever he holds.

I believe that a Bitcoin HODLer must have some knowledge, but not deep technical analysis knowledge about the market, although he/she could learn if he/she wants. But the more important kind of knowledge for a HODLer is the fundamental understanding and also some technical understanding on how Bitcoin works, plus why it works.

It's probably harder to understand, because we don't truly know what Bitcoin actually is yet. I have changed my opinions/view on Bitcoin in my years of learning about it, and I still continue to learn/change/adapt.

Can you tell more in detail what changed in your perspective on the BTC and what it actually is - but for you?
I am too on such a path so I would be glad to hear some opinions.. as well as to gain more knowledge, of course..

It's merely about my personal opinions, which as the stupid one in BitcoinTalk, those opinions usually end with other users of the forum name-call me as "unserious" or "dishonest".

The latest perspective that I've have posted, although I already had this perspective before I was called out, is Bitcoin's market as a "Naturally-Occurring Ponzi" - Wherein a seller to sell in profit, then new money from buyers must come into the system. Because how else could anyone sell for a profit in ANY market?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The other changing perspective is Bitcoin's decreasing security budget/mining rewards. Because depending just on the fees might not be very sustainable, especially if features like Ordinals and Runes are seen by the majority of users as "exploits".

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Most of the time the ones who become profitable in the bull run are the long-term holders, and if there are traders who become profitable, it is the expert traders or scalpers who can benefit from these situations. But those other traders who don't have a deep or broad knowledge of trading are for sure not going to benefit from that.

The majority community in the crypto space knows this; that's the only logic: if you don't know about trading, nothing good will happen to you when you do trading activity.
This is the common thing that happens in the world of crypto trading.

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on November 05, 2024, 09:32:03 PM

Quote from: SamReomo on November 04, 2024, 06:11:31 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on October 30, 2024, 02:44:38 PM

Taking this question out of my personal curiosity of the market and how each bull run. Ale more millionaires in the bitcoin ecosystem, via trading vs holding.

Good traders always make more profits then investors because traders buy sell multiple times within a year and investors buy and hold an asset to gain profits from it. I know investing is way safer than trading but with trading the potential of earning higher profits is possible.

Someone who's a good trader can earn higher profits by shorting Bitcoin with leveraging when it's at the peak. Just think that the ones who shorted Bitcoin when it reached $73.5k a few days ago with 10x leverage have already made a lot profit with it.

not always true though, some trader might blow their entire month's profit in just one trading mistake, most of the trader doesn't just always profit everyday, some of them have occassional pullback as well, even the best trader there is doesn't have 100% win rate, probably just around 70%, which is still good if they can manage their trade with proper SL/TP setup and risk management.

the investor on the other hand, just ignores the market price action and just hold their coin with targeted price, it works flawlessly and the fact that it carries no risk of getting blown up because of trade means if the market is rising high just like how BTC rise from $16k to $70k, they've made so much profit without even the need to risk their capital which i find pretty astonishing.

the thing is, a trader will more likely trade 1-5% of their entire capital's worth for the sake of risk management compared to investor who just invest 100% of their money, so a trader can keep making profit swing trading doesn't mean their portfolio can grow dramatically fast.

If someone says that every trade is profitable, it must be understood that he has no idea about trading. Even experienced traders may make 1 or 2 trades throughout the day. In this way no trade can be profitable in a short period of time.

On the other hand, holders come with a profit lever by holding on for a long time. And I believe they hold for about 2,3 years just waiting for BTC to reach the desired target.

If you think in this direction, I think the holders are more profitable.

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Quote from: SamReomo on November 04, 2024, 06:11:31 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on October 30, 2024, 02:44:38 PM

Taking this question out of my personal curiosity of the market and how each bull run. Ale more millionaires in the bitcoin ecosystem, via trading vs holding.

Good traders always make more profits then investors because traders buy sell multiple times within a year and investors buy and hold an asset to gain profits from it. I know investing is way safer than trading but with trading the potential of earning higher profits is possible.

Someone who's a good trader can earn higher profits by shorting Bitcoin with leveraging when it's at the peak. Just think that the ones who shorted Bitcoin when it reached $73.5k a few days ago with 10x leverage have already made a lot profit with it.

not always true though, some trader might blow their entire month's profit in just one trading mistake, most of the trader doesn't just always profit everyday, some of them have occassional pullback as well, even the best trader there is doesn't have 100% win rate, probably just around 70%, which is still good if they can manage their trade with proper SL/TP setup and risk management.

the investor on the other hand, just ignores the market price action and just hold their coin with targeted price, it works flawlessly and the fact that it carries no risk of getting blown up because of trade means if the market is rising high just like how BTC rise from $16k to $70k, they've made so much profit without even the need to risk their capital which i find pretty astonishing.

the thing is, a trader will more likely trade 1-5% of their entire capital's worth for the sake of risk management compared to investor who just invest 100% of their money, so a trader can keep making profit swing trading doesn't mean their portfolio can grow dramatically fast.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 04, 2024, 09:30:09 PM

Quote from: AYOBA on November 04, 2024, 05:45:00 PM

Those who received huge profits during bull run market are those that hold a bitcoins for a long periods of times, because his bitcoin has less resume than trading with this big amount of money that some people use to trade is the same that amount some use to become what people cannot expected then in life, since they aware that to be come expect in trading you need to be on research every moment’s and it also deserve those that have enough knowledge.

But in holding there’s nothing like you need to have knowledge or going tutorials about the only things is for having experience and patience, because a person who’s lack of patience cannot hold a Bitcoin of not at end of day it will end achieving nothing when ever he holds.

I believe that a Bitcoin HODLer must have some knowledge, but not deep technical analysis knowledge about the market, although he/she could learn if he/she wants. But the more important kind of knowledge for a HODLer is the fundamental understanding and also some technical understanding on how Bitcoin works, plus why it works.

It's probably harder to understand, because we don't truly know what Bitcoin actually is yet. I have changed my opinions/view on Bitcoin in my years of learning about it, and I still continue to learn/change/adapt.

Can you tell more in detail what changed in your perspective on the BTC and what it actually is - but for you?
I am too on such a path so I would be glad to hear some opinions.. as well as to gain more knowledge, of course..

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Quote from: tygeade on November 05, 2024, 12:42:25 AM

Quote from: pawanjain on November 04, 2024, 11:14:47 AM

Different people will have different opinion on this question and while some might say trading would be a better option the others will prefer holding.
So it all boils down to one's experience and skills. If one is really good at trading then he might make more profits considering that he's able to make profits both in pumping and falling markets.
For others, holding is a better options as it gives magnifying returns over the long term.

Preference matters along with skill and experience as well. I have seen plenty of traders who made a lot of money to become holders eventually. A friend of mine started with 8k, made it to a few million dollars and retired, now he is only holding and not caring about it at all. I believe that is the most important part, if you are preferring one way, then you will do it that way.

While I do small trades, I usually just hold, not that I am holding much, but I rather save aside and hold that for long term, not because I can't trade, or not because I lack experience, been here long enough to do something, I do that because I like doing that one most. This is why it's clear we are going to end up with a better result and we shouldn't really consider anything further at the moment.

Just from interest - what he traded to such a degree he got such a sum going to get it and retire from trader trenches? Grin

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Quote from: Barikui1 on November 05, 2024, 01:44:27 AM

Quote from: Wiwo on October 30, 2024, 02:44:38 PM

Taking this question out of my personal curiosity of the market and how each bull run. Ale more millionaires in the bitcoin ecosystem, via trading vs holding.

To answer your question, I would say that it all boils down to the person and what he knows what he does best.

Holding can be done by anyone, newbies or veterans alike and they will definitely be profitable if they can stick to their holdings without tempering with till the bull run is in full swing, but a trader can also profit massively if he actually knows what he is doing, and mostly if he is a swing trader, because during the bull run, he is very sure of the direction of the market, so he is only be looking for a buying opportunity, and when he does, in other to milk the best possible result out of the market, it's to hold the position for a long time, as long as the bull season is still on.

So in essence of what am trying to say is that the bull season can be favourable to both the holders and also a trader, if the trader in question knows his craft and how to navigate his way around the market during such period.

I do think you are right and it cannot be said who can be in profit more - probably trader if he knows what he is doing, however, if a holder doesn't loose his patience and the sum is the same - he will of course have much more stability for his positions going Grin

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