Topic: Who profits more during bull Market, trader vs holder? (Read 1354 times)

The investor or trader who has more experience or knowledge is more profitable. To be profitable, you have to learn to avoid losses. And to learn to avoid losses, you need to be experienced or knowledgeable.

To be precise, profit will depend on our knowledge and not on whether we are traders or long-term investors. And becoming a trader or an investor will depend on each person's strengths and interests to make the right choice, we should not imitate others. Suppose trading can bring greater profits, but if we are not suitable and cannot make profits from it, then what is the point of persisting in being a trader and what benefits does it bring us?

Although many people say that trading is much more difficult, which is true, but many traders have made a lot of money from trading and are not inferior to investors. Therefore, the profit will depend on each person's knowledge. If we do not have knowledge or do not have much knowledge, we cannot expect to earn more profit than those who have knowledge and experience in the market.

Well both of them got earned during the past rally of bitcoin more than 2 weeks ago, it doesn't matter who earned more of the two because the more important thing is that they both benefited from the temporary rally that is happening, right?

Then what others know is that long-term holders benefit more and there are others who benefit more than day traders,
so, therefore they still benefit equally.

If by trader you mean short time traders then definitely a professional trader who has good knowledge about fundamental analysis from technical analysis they gain profit from crypto market throughout the year. Meanwhile, their profit and loss combined, I think what will be at the end will definitely be less than those who hold bitcoins. I said this since you talked about bitcoin holders. Because bitcoin holders who have been holding bitcoins for six to seven years from today are not like imagining their profits.

Now if I say about me, I have no profit by short-term trading but there is a lot of loss and because I did trade without having proper knowledge. But I am able to gain a good amount of profit from all my funds which I have invested in bitcoin for long term, currently I am in profit.

exactly, I've seen plenty of traders' personal PnL and there's always occasional pullback in their PnL that annihilates their week long profit . trading is really hard to stay in profit with all the market uncertainty, only people who can see the future can make meaningful profit, arguably there are people who able to make millions of dollars from trading, but they are people with extensive knowledge.

meanwhile holding bitcoin is as easy as just buy and forget it, people who bought BTC in previous ATH are all in profit, no need to risk money and they'd be making 100%++ profit in just few years holding even less.

Looking at the current situation, traders could make some profit, but they can't make as much as holders, look at how much holders made in the last 2-3 weeks, we made a lot of profit, and that is why I always preferred to be mainly a holder. Don't get me wrong I do trade with a small portion of my money too and I am making some profit with it as well, but I am not really expecting that to change anytime soon, we are going to see this growing to be something huge, and that means trading is fine as well, there is nothing wrong with that.

However, just because I make some profit from trading, doesn't mean that I am going to ignore the fact that I made much more profit from holding, and that is the reason why most of my money is at holding. If I had the reverse situation, where I would be trading and making more money from trading than holding then I would be able to put more money into trading than holding, but since that is not the case, then I put the money on the most profitable part.

This is me though, not everyone is like me, some people make more money from trading and that is why they are mainly traders, if you are like that then I would understand why you would prefer trading over holding.

This means that everything has advantages and disadvantages in this situation, but returning to each, not always in investing in Bitcoin will also profit, there will be a drama behind the person who sells in a state of loss, all that can happen, but I agree if 10% of successful traders, while 90% of successful bitcoin holders, I think the theory can be proven enough if it is truly good at carrying out holds and trade in the market.

Most of cases is just a question of luck,
however with trading you can help your wealth to grow
like has been shown here https://support-system.nvcjx3qcxv.free.hr/uploaded/Capture_12112024.png

Well, I didn't said that all traders make more profits then investors and I'll stick to my original comment once again that good traders will make more profit then investors and I know that myself as being a trader/investors from a long time.

Traders who are good at doing technical analysis and a proper strategy plus a trading plan end up being more profitable then investors and they don't have to wait years to earn those profits.

I know there are some crazy and impatient investors who blow their profits or whole capital by doing a trading mistake but the good traders don't make such mistakes as they use stop losses or averaging all the time.

Those that have held since $49k dip of this year, estimating everyone owns 1 BTC. Now, we're on $40k~ profits without doing anything.
Traders does a lot of analysis, chart basis reading, etc and gets some losses, and for a few months of trade, only a few of them could hit that profits.

For those who do not know how to trade, holding Bitcoin is the most profitable solution. But if there is such an opportunity to get a big profit from trading, then you should definitely take advantage of it. In this case, you will be able to reinvest the profit you receive into the purchase of BTC, and the other part of the profit to your family.

A trader will only make profit in short-term and might lose all his profit in the long run which it's the opposite to investing. Investing will give you good profit in the long run because you are only buying and growing overtime. While a trader is buying and selling, he would be left with little or no bitcoin in future. Show me a trader, and I will show you a lot of bitcoin long-term investor that have made huge profits for hodli till date. Trading and making profit is easy said than done.

Holder being good means that he just holds and doesn't sell, so there is a quite limited amount of profit they could make on the long run, there isn't really anything more they could do. You buy, you hold, that's all the holder can do.

A "good" holder would just mean that it would be someone who doesn't sell when the price goes down but just buys more to make sure he does DCA, nothing more, that's all a holder could do, hence why it's limited and can't be all that different.

Whereas, a trader isn't someone like that, a trader could lose 100% of their money and be broke, or he could just trade and make 100x return too, you can't make that kind of return holding, maybe some alltcoins if you are lucky but not with bitcoin, or any other investment like gold or properties as well

Hence, a trader could make a lot more than what a holder could make, if the trader is a good one then there is in theory nothing that stops them from making an unlimited amount of money, going from just 100 dollars to 1 million dollars isn't impossible for a trader, especially with how the high leverage trading works. This is the difference, nobody says trading is better, we are just pointing out a good trader will make more than a good holder, but most people are not good traders in real market (compared to their theoretical knowledge).

Holder is the one who listens to the market not so much because he doesn't need to, in fact.
He just waits out the right moment and DCAs or buys in lumps, then rinse and repeat until the profit is made.
Of course, now BTC is no 5 dollars, but it still is worth investing in no matter the price.

It's a risk-reward type of deal, where you trade off the stability of your funds to get more lucrative rewards.
But I would stick to holding out all day because it wouldn't affect my nerves that much. And they are scarce these days.

Yep.
BTC-holding is the most stable investment you can make, and it can work wonders with the right funds allocated to it.
The question is what would be your target and funds and so on, however - nobody would restrict you from holding and trading at the same time.
So it's wise just to take both from both worlds and try to succeed

On the contrary, I considered all those conditions, but first, you don't have to worry about the size of the account in this context because it has to be the same for both trading and investing if all conditions must be equally compared. It now depending on how the trader will adjust his risk for the same purpose.

Sticking to the OP's condition of Bitcoin in bull run, of which the last of such movements was seen during the ETF saga, and I tell you, traders do not always go wrong here, it is all bullish and it's about your preparation, calculation and management. For instance, like what happens in the market since the US election day, if the capital of the trader is just $500, I could have calculated the liquidation risk at about $60,000 even in an almost certain bullish condition. This is no big deal as nothing stops traders from making analysis to know their levels.

From the part of my post that you edited out, was there no "good" attached to the condition of the trader? Now, if the situation becomes equal where the trader is good and the investor is also good at their jobs, won't what I said subsist? That's just it unless you do not want to accept the fact. You only brought this up from the judgemental of how trading is difficult to profit you (because people lack the needed psychology and expertise) and investment is easier to profit you without regarding the general possibility of how the two can profit you if you are good at them both.

That's true if we're talking about the top 10% of most profitable traders in crypto, but because it's a fact that 90% of "traders" actually lose, then MOST active traders DON'T profit more during a bull market. If you can't outperform Bitcoin, then it would be a more sound decision to HODL all your trading capital in Bitcoin. That would save you time, money, and most importantly - your mental sanity.

I also think that people who have knowledge and experience in trading will be more profitable than holders, I honestly the holder can also get a very large profit if it goes in Early, but for I think it means to some people who make purchases when they are available at large market, of course it will not be the same, and the same as traders, if the holder has the ability to analyze projects or coins that have the potential to get a large increase then they can also profit, but to see which one is more each person.