Tragic.....Has there been any new news about the missing Malaysian plane from a few months back?
Not a single piece of debris has ever been found, nor was the real locater beacon ever heard. I smell a rat. 
Topic: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border - page 27. (Read 51960 times)
July 18, 2014, 12:36:15 PM
July 18, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy. But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?
The Russian rebels deny they are Russian or funded by Russians and yes, this act by rebels could justify Russia invading Ukraine just like rebels in crimea justified their takeover of crimea and the forced election. July 18, 2014, 12:31:16 PM
Tragic.....Has there been any new news about the missing Malaysian plane from a few months back?
July 18, 2014, 12:30:43 PM
It was suggested that the heat seeking missles go for the largest target so if the rebels/Russians had targeted a smaller military plane the missile may have gone after the larger commercial plane without any way of stopping it.
Buk rocket uses semi-active radar homing, not infrared. Meaning that the target must be actively tracked and illuminated by ground radar all the way until the impact. It's not fire-and-forget weapon.
July 18, 2014, 12:30:13 PM
And Ukraine blames the Russians. So? Let's wait and learn the truth. And I agree, Obama should remain silent until proof of fault is found.
Firstly, US officials should to say sorry for having downed an Iranian passenger jet in the 80's. Only after that they will have a right to say anything. July 18, 2014, 12:27:38 PM
This is just a thought I a will admit that their is no evidence of this idea. But their are a lot of people that want a world war. Perhaps this was done by some idiots that want the war to expand and bring about the rapture faster.
And right on cue, stupid-ass John McCain jumps into the fray - talking about the US sending arms in. We don't even know for sure that this airliner was shot down as opposed to crashing because of other problems.STFU, McCain. Why can't the knee-jerk conservatives ever learn to get the facts FIRST?
July 18, 2014, 12:24:23 PM
This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy. But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?
The Russian rebels deny they are Russian or funded by Russians and yes, this act by rebels could justify Russia invading Ukraine just like rebels in crimea justified their takeover of crimea and the forced election. July 18, 2014, 11:53:44 AM
MH17: recording shows Russian colonel and rebels "discussing disaster" - VIDEO
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jul/18/mh17-recording-russian-colonel-rebels-discuss-disaster-video
<< The Security Service of Ukraine has released a recording of what it says are conversations involving a rebel fighter named "Bes", Russian Colonel Vasyl Mykolaiovych Geranin and Cossack military leader Mykola Kozitsyn discussing the downing of a Malaysia Airlines jet over eastern Ukraine. The transcript with this video was obtained independently by the Guardian. >>
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jul/18/mh17-recording-russian-colonel-rebels-discuss-disaster-video
<< The Security Service of Ukraine has released a recording of what it says are conversations involving a rebel fighter named "Bes", Russian Colonel Vasyl Mykolaiovych Geranin and Cossack military leader Mykola Kozitsyn discussing the downing of a Malaysia Airlines jet over eastern Ukraine. The transcript with this video was obtained independently by the Guardian. >>
July 18, 2014, 11:50:48 AM
Cover-up: Ukraine rebels destroying all links to MH17 air atrocity
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/separatist-links-malaysia-airlines-mh17-removed
<< UN demands full inquiry but armed Russian separatists block access to crash site amid confusion over black boxes. >>
July 18, 2014, 11:41:18 AM
KUALA LUMPUR, July 18: The prime suspect goes by the name Igor Girkin, who is the former Russian intelligence officer.
According to Sydney Morning Herald, Girkin, who also known as Strelkov – or “shooter”, has shot his own troops for insubordination.
“We did warn you – do not fly in our sky,” he reportedly posted to a Russian social media page.
This chilling message was most probably aimed at the Ukraine government, Girkin’s target in a vicious separatist war, reported the newspaper.
But that post has now been deleted as it has become clear the jet was from Malaysia Airlines, not a military transport aircraft of the type Girkin has brought down in recent weeks, the report said.
“No amateur can bring down a passenger jet streaking across the sky. A trained operator must work the sophisticated surface-to-air missiles required.
http://www.themalaysiantimes.com.my/is-this-the-man-who-shot-down-mh17/
According to Sydney Morning Herald, Girkin, who also known as Strelkov – or “shooter”, has shot his own troops for insubordination.
“We did warn you – do not fly in our sky,” he reportedly posted to a Russian social media page.
This chilling message was most probably aimed at the Ukraine government, Girkin’s target in a vicious separatist war, reported the newspaper.
But that post has now been deleted as it has become clear the jet was from Malaysia Airlines, not a military transport aircraft of the type Girkin has brought down in recent weeks, the report said.
“No amateur can bring down a passenger jet streaking across the sky. A trained operator must work the sophisticated surface-to-air missiles required.
http://www.themalaysiantimes.com.my/is-this-the-man-who-shot-down-mh17/
July 18, 2014, 11:32:05 AM
Sen. John McCain said Thursday that he is withholding judgment on the Malaysia Airlines crash, but vowed that there would be “hell to pay” if the plane was shot down by the Russian military or separatists.
“To leap to conclusions could be very embarrassing and really inappropriate until we have more information,” the Arizona Republican told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell shortly after reports that a commercial flight carrying 295 people was shot down in the eastern part of Ukraine.
After again noting that he has not yet arrived at any conclusions, the senator said: “But if it is the result of either separatist or Russian actions mistakenly believing this was a Ukrainian war plane, I think there’s going to be hell to pay and there should be.”
“It has the earmarks of a tragic mistake made by someone who had the capability to just shoot down an aircraft, and we know at least from the last couple of weeks that that could be Russian or separatist Russian capability,” he said.
McCain on Thursday said the increased sanctions were “helpful” but that the administration’s response has failed Ukraine.
“The sanctions so far in exchange for Crimea have been miniscule,” he said, referring to the sanctions the administration announced after the Russian annexation of the Crimean peninsula. “These latest enacted by the Obama administration, I think, are helpful. But if you ask the Ukrainian government that’s struggling, they would say they need weapons with which to defend themselves.”
McCain said that he anticipated he will have more information within the next several hours.
McCain's statement is grossly misrepresented.. and the usual suspects don't notice it at all and instead pile on... big surprise.“To leap to conclusions could be very embarrassing and really inappropriate until we have more information,” the Arizona Republican told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell shortly after reports that a commercial flight carrying 295 people was shot down in the eastern part of Ukraine.
After again noting that he has not yet arrived at any conclusions, the senator said: “But if it is the result of either separatist or Russian actions mistakenly believing this was a Ukrainian war plane, I think there’s going to be hell to pay and there should be.”
“It has the earmarks of a tragic mistake made by someone who had the capability to just shoot down an aircraft, and we know at least from the last couple of weeks that that could be Russian or separatist Russian capability,” he said.
McCain on Thursday said the increased sanctions were “helpful” but that the administration’s response has failed Ukraine.
“The sanctions so far in exchange for Crimea have been miniscule,” he said, referring to the sanctions the administration announced after the Russian annexation of the Crimean peninsula. “These latest enacted by the Obama administration, I think, are helpful. But if you ask the Ukrainian government that’s struggling, they would say they need weapons with which to defend themselves.”
McCain said that he anticipated he will have more information within the next several hours.
A big part of McCain's problem is he was embarrassed in the presidential election and can't get over it. He has only himself and his choice for VP to blame for that.
July 18, 2014, 11:21:07 AM
This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy. But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?
The Russian rebels deny they are Russian or funded by Russians and yes, this act by rebels could justify Russia invading Ukraine just like rebels in crimea justified their takeover of crimea and the forced election. July 18, 2014, 11:19:42 AM
Obama has made Russia responsible for the attack.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-discusses-plane-tragedy-with-putin--offers-u-s--help-to-ukraine-191841521.html
http://thehill.com/policy/international/212558-reports-malaysian-airlines-jet-shot-down-in-eastern-ukraine
USA is not doing good by making irresponsible statement. They should understand, Russia is not Afghanistan or Iraq.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-discusses-plane-tragedy-with-putin--offers-u-s--help-to-ukraine-191841521.html
http://thehill.com/policy/international/212558-reports-malaysian-airlines-jet-shot-down-in-eastern-ukraine
USA is not doing good by making irresponsible statement. They should understand, Russia is not Afghanistan or Iraq.
July 18, 2014, 11:14:37 AM
This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy. But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?
The Russian rebels deny they are Russian or funded by Russians and yes, this act by rebels could justify Russia invading Ukraine just like rebels in crimea justified their takeover of crimea and the forced election.
July 18, 2014, 11:14:05 AM
What I saw on TV is McCain jumping up and down in a Limbaugh fashion crying that the world will not think we are the most powerful nation on earth. He is a complete nut and that is exactly the reason I did not vote for him. Every time anything happens around the world he wants to go and prove our country is still the most powerful country on this earth by going to war. That shows weakness not strength.
July 18, 2014, 11:09:50 AM
Sen. John McCain said Thursday that he is withholding judgment on the Malaysia Airlines crash, but vowed that there would be “hell to pay” if the plane was shot down by the Russian military or separatists.
“To leap to conclusions could be very embarrassing and really inappropriate until we have more information,” the Arizona Republican told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell shortly after reports that a commercial flight carrying 295 people was shot down in the eastern part of Ukraine.
After again noting that he has not yet arrived at any conclusions, the senator said: “But if it is the result of either separatist or Russian actions mistakenly believing this was a Ukrainian war plane, I think there’s going to be hell to pay and there should be.”
“It has the earmarks of a tragic mistake made by someone who had the capability to just shoot down an aircraft, and we know at least from the last couple of weeks that that could be Russian or separatist Russian capability,” he said.
McCain on Thursday said the increased sanctions were “helpful” but that the administration’s response has failed Ukraine.
“The sanctions so far in exchange for Crimea have been miniscule,” he said, referring to the sanctions the administration announced after the Russian annexation of the Crimean peninsula. “These latest enacted by the Obama administration, I think, are helpful. But if you ask the Ukrainian government that’s struggling, they would say they need weapons with which to defend themselves.”
McCain said that he anticipated he will have more information within the next several hours.
McCain's statement is grossly misrepresented.. and the usual suspects don't notice it at all and instead pile on... big surprise. “To leap to conclusions could be very embarrassing and really inappropriate until we have more information,” the Arizona Republican told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell shortly after reports that a commercial flight carrying 295 people was shot down in the eastern part of Ukraine.
After again noting that he has not yet arrived at any conclusions, the senator said: “But if it is the result of either separatist or Russian actions mistakenly believing this was a Ukrainian war plane, I think there’s going to be hell to pay and there should be.”
“It has the earmarks of a tragic mistake made by someone who had the capability to just shoot down an aircraft, and we know at least from the last couple of weeks that that could be Russian or separatist Russian capability,” he said.
McCain on Thursday said the increased sanctions were “helpful” but that the administration’s response has failed Ukraine.
“The sanctions so far in exchange for Crimea have been miniscule,” he said, referring to the sanctions the administration announced after the Russian annexation of the Crimean peninsula. “These latest enacted by the Obama administration, I think, are helpful. But if you ask the Ukrainian government that’s struggling, they would say they need weapons with which to defend themselves.”
McCain said that he anticipated he will have more information within the next several hours.
July 18, 2014, 10:58:25 AM
This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy. But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?
The Russian rebels deny they are Russian or funded by Russians and yes, this act by rebels could justify Russia invading Ukraine just like rebels in crimea justified their takeover of crimea and the forced election. July 18, 2014, 10:52:32 AM
And Ukraine blames the Russians. So? Let's wait and learn the truth. And I agree, Obama should remain silent until proof of fault is found.
Yes it is a stupid idea and I said their was no evidence. But both Christian religions and Muslim religions want Armageddon to happen. It is not out of the realm of possibility. 
July 18, 2014, 10:51:24 AM
After again noting that he has not yet arrived at any conclusions, the senator said: “But if it is the result of either separatist or Russian actions mistakenly believing this was a Ukrainian war plane, I think there’s going to be hell to pay and there should be.”
Okay, Mr. McCain, but what about Ukraine if the plane was actually shot down by them? Is there going to be hell to pay for Ukraine, just in the case?
July 18, 2014, 10:49:45 AM
This is just a thought I a will admit that their is no evidence of this idea. But their are a lot of people that want a world war. Perhaps this was done by some idiots that want the war to expand and bring about the rapture faster.
And right on cue, stupid-ass John McCain jumps into the fray - talking about the US sending arms in. We don't even know for sure that this airliner was shot down as opposed to crashing because of other problems.STFU, McCain. Why can't the knee-jerk conservatives ever learn to get the facts FIRST?
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