Topic: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border - page 31. (Read 51960 times)

A Malaysia Airlines 3786.KU -8.89% plane carrying 283 passengers and 15 crew crashed Thursday in the battle-torn east Ukraine region of Donetsk, where U.S. intelligence agencies say it was struck by a ground-to-air missile.

The U.S. agencies are divided over whether the missile was launched by the Russian military or by pro-Russia separatist rebels, who officials say lack the expertise on their own to bring down a commercial airline in midflight. Ukraine, which also has sophisticated antiaircraft weaponry, said it hadn't shot any such missiles at any time during the conflict.

"All roads lead to the Russians to some degree," said a U.S. official.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact-with-plane-over-ukrainian-airspace-1405612373?mod=trending_now_1

This. Everyone, including Malaysia and Netherlands, seem to be very reluctant to blame anyone. Except the Ukraine, which has already launched full-scale media war against rebels.

Well... NATO / EU / US won't be able to hide the truth. The downed jet belonged to Malaysia. They have launched an investigation and no matter what the perpetrators try, the truth will eventually come out.

Europe must be proud of itself now. European leaders looked the other way when evidence emerged that snipers with the Maidan forces were behind the infamous mass killing on Kiev, they looked the other way when it emerged Proshenko army was used banned weapons such as white phosphorus on the civilian population.
Coul d they look the other way know?

As the rebels could only target aircraft which are flying below 15,000 feet, the route was deemed safe for civilian aircraft which were flying at 30,000 ft or above. Anyway... the flight data recorder has been sent to Moscow. Soon, we'll have answers to our questions.

Why did the plane fly on the territory of the civil war?
IMHO, Ukrainian dispatchers made ​​a mistake paving the route.

The plane was not supposed to fly exactly that route. The flight usually flies in a corridor further south, but on this day the pilots received a modified route.

Now that the initial shock has died down a bit, it's interesting to observe the first reaction.

Within 30 minutes of a crash, Poroshenko made TV speech, where he in no uncertain terms blamed Russia, no further proof needed, and where hen mentioned calling Dutch head of state and offering condolences (shouldn't he have called Malaysia first?). The speech gave an impression of being ready-made for the occasion.

Russia news channels were open-minded. Several theories were proposed, including a technical failure on the plane, and freedom fighters shooting it. Each theory got some attention, and interviews.
Such, Borodai, head of PRD, gave his statement as to the absence of weapons capable of reaching 10000km in the republic's arsenal.
Video from the crash site was shown, including passports. (I think they are too well-preserved. The plane should have had a lot of fuel on board, yet there are little burn marks)
Routes and corridors were analysed.
They mentioned a theory that a plane could have been shot down by air-to-air missile.
A theory of a mix-up with the Presidential flight #1 was given due attention.
A theory that the plane was slated to fall on Russia territory, but was shot prematurely was also raised.
It was explicitly said that none of the theories should be taken as truths until investigations was over.

That's what I liked about Russia's reporting.

Now this whole thing start to remind of the Sakhalin shooting, where both passenger and military operation from US were involved.
Recommended background reading is Michael Brun's "Incident at Sakhalin: The True Mission of KAL Flight 007"
http://www.amazon.com/Incident-Sakhalin-True-Mission-Flight/dp/1568580541

Not only the country, but also the one airline.

Bad luck for a country losing 2 planes in the same year.

Because claiming they don't have it pushes them away from the responsibility.

Before this article gets also deleted:

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/738262

The proof that the rebels had indeed a Buk missile defense system.



Why are they now claiming they don't have it ?

LOL

I flew 2004 over Iraq, the plane only made a slight correction of the straight course, but still over Iraqi territory.

Learn english before contradicting with me.

You obviously have no clue what people here are saying nor what you post using google translate.

Yes, volunteers in Donbass are from many countries. Is that new for You?
Yakuts for example.

Well, if anything else, this convo shows that rebels had no intentions to shoot at civilian aircraft, nor did they expect one to fly over there in first place. That's of course assuming that this leaked record is authentic, which we cannot really know for sure at this point.


It seems that Kiev advised all companies to avoid that area but they didn't bother to close the airspace.

Was the plane supposed to fly over this area anyway? It seems like a terrible choice on the part of the Malaysia Airlines.

So the broken propaganda machine called 247crypto is actually acknowledging that pro russian activists operating in urkaine are currently hiding inside Russia.

How clever from you..

Malaysian Passenger Jet Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

https://news.vice.com/article/malaysian-passenger-jet-shot-down-over-eastern-ukraine

Where Did Ukraine's Rebels Get the Missile Launcher That Allegedly Shot Down the Malaysia Airlines Plane?

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118741/ukraine-rebels-allegedly-downed-malaysian-airlines-buk-launcher

Missile claims deepen escalation fears

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/23b749b0-0ddd-11e4-85ab-00144feabdc0.html#slide0

LOL

This SBU fake about shooting from COSSAC ROAD BLOCK use nikname, of activist, that actually is in Russia.