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Quote from: Quickseller on January 01, 2015, 06:34:43 PM

Quote from: NoobKidOnTheBlock on January 01, 2015, 06:28:05 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 01, 2015, 05:55:38 PM

Quote from: Korbman on January 01, 2015, 05:18:15 PM

Quote from: NoobKidOnTheBlock on January 01, 2015, 05:05:33 PM

So to earn a trust rating you have to have done trades with other members of the community? Is that what I am gathering from all of this?

Consistent successful trading is the most popular way to garner trust from other members, but certainly not the only way. Think of how you'd trust someone on a daily basis offline...buying and selling goods can lead to a trustful relationship over time, but so can consistent "trustworthy" behavior (i.e. following through on your promises / keeping your word, adding value to the community, etc). Personally, I value a member's historical behavior more than I do their past trades.

You should not trust someone just because they make "good" posts. Many sociopaths are very smart people and will routinely scam.

So someone can just click on my account and give me a positive feedback rating just because they like what I have to say? I always thought that you had to do successful trades or borrowing from people to earn a trust rating. I would love to start building my trust rating on BCT talk account because I do take a lot of pride in my account and work really hard to deliver the best opinions that I can on any subjects or threads I post on. But another question I have to ask is when a lender asks for collateral and says that a third party escrow can hold it, how do you find a third party escrow person and how would you know that they are trustworthy? I wouldn't mind possibly looking into taking a small loan to start building my trust rating but I have not the slightest clue on how to go about it. Could someone please answer these questions for me? That would be greatly appreciated

Cheers

Someone can give you a trust rating for any reason they want. The majority of trust ratings you get should be from actual trades, although there can be exceptions (for example someone sees that someone is trying to scam, or if someone is otherwise considered to be trustworthy)

Well thanks for answering that for me

I really appreciate that because I was wondering because some guy named CryptoLTD gave me a negative trust rating and his reasoning for it was "Blatantly obvious" and I've never had any problems or discussions with this member so I don't understand why he would give me a rating like that? Also no one seemed to acknowledge the trusted third party escrow and how to obtain one or how to know that they are a trustworthy third party for using when giving collateral for a loan? I would really like to start building up my trust rating that's a given and I would also like to increase my coin ratings which from what I've gathered I have no idea why I don't have a higher coin rating and I'm only a member? but I believe there is another thread for that if I'm correct? Thanks again for being so kind in answering all my stupid Noob questions everyone

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 01, 2015, 05:55:38 PM

Quote from: Korbman on January 01, 2015, 05:18:15 PM

Consistent successful trading is the most popular way to garner trust from other members, but certainly not the only way. Think of how you'd trust someone on a daily basis offline...buying and selling goods can lead to a trustful relationship over time, but so can consistent "trustworthy" behavior (i.e. following through on your promises / keeping your word, adding value to the community, etc). Personally, I value a member's historical behavior more than I do their past trades.

You should not trust someone just because they make "good" posts. Many sociopaths are very smart people and will routinely scam.

Agreed, and I never mentioned judging someone solely by their posts. The quality of a member's posts doesn't (in and of itself) indicate they're trustworthy.

With that in mind, your statement is just as true for people who build trust through repeated trades. It may be that the person you're buying from has been building up to the "long con" all along...

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Quote from: NoobKidOnTheBlock on January 01, 2015, 06:28:05 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 01, 2015, 05:55:38 PM

Quote from: Korbman on January 01, 2015, 05:18:15 PM

Quote from: NoobKidOnTheBlock on January 01, 2015, 05:05:33 PM

So to earn a trust rating you have to have done trades with other members of the community? Is that what I am gathering from all of this?

Consistent successful trading is the most popular way to garner trust from other members, but certainly not the only way. Think of how you'd trust someone on a daily basis offline...buying and selling goods can lead to a trustful relationship over time, but so can consistent "trustworthy" behavior (i.e. following through on your promises / keeping your word, adding value to the community, etc). Personally, I value a member's historical behavior more than I do their past trades.

You should not trust someone just because they make "good" posts. Many sociopaths are very smart people and will routinely scam.

So someone can just click on my account and give me a positive feedback rating just because they like what I have to say? I always thought that you had to do successful trades or borrowing from people to earn a trust rating. I would love to start building my trust rating on BCT talk account because I do take a lot of pride in my account and work really hard to deliver the best opinions that I can on any subjects or threads I post on. But another question I have to ask is when a lender asks for collateral and says that a third party escrow can hold it, how do you find a third party escrow person and how would you know that they are trustworthy? I wouldn't mind possibly looking into taking a small loan to start building my trust rating but I have not the slightest clue on how to go about it. Could someone please answer these questions for me? That would be greatly appreciated

Cheers

Someone can give you a trust rating for any reason they want. The majority of trust ratings you get should be from actual trades, although there can be exceptions (for example someone sees that someone is trying to scam, or if someone is otherwise considered to be trustworthy)

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 01, 2015, 05:55:38 PM

Quote from: Korbman on January 01, 2015, 05:18:15 PM

Quote from: NoobKidOnTheBlock on January 01, 2015, 05:05:33 PM

So to earn a trust rating you have to have done trades with other members of the community? Is that what I am gathering from all of this?

Consistent successful trading is the most popular way to garner trust from other members, but certainly not the only way. Think of how you'd trust someone on a daily basis offline...buying and selling goods can lead to a trustful relationship over time, but so can consistent "trustworthy" behavior (i.e. following through on your promises / keeping your word, adding value to the community, etc). Personally, I value a member's historical behavior more than I do their past trades.

You should not trust someone just because they make "good" posts. Many sociopaths are very smart people and will routinely scam.

So someone can just click on my account and give me a positive feedback rating just because they like what I have to say? I always thought that you had to do successful trades or borrowing from people to earn a trust rating. I would love to start building my trust rating on BCT talk account because I do take a lot of pride in my account and work really hard to deliver the best opinions that I can on any subjects or threads I post on. But another question I have to ask is when a lender asks for collateral and says that a third party escrow can hold it, how do you find a third party escrow person and how would you know that they are trustworthy? I wouldn't mind possibly looking into taking a small loan to start building my trust rating but I have not the slightest clue on how to go about it. Could someone please answer these questions for me? That would be greatly appreciated

Cheers

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Quote from: Korbman on January 01, 2015, 05:18:15 PM

Quote from: NoobKidOnTheBlock on January 01, 2015, 05:05:33 PM

So to earn a trust rating you have to have done trades with other members of the community? Is that what I am gathering from all of this?

Consistent successful trading is the most popular way to garner trust from other members, but certainly not the only way. Think of how you'd trust someone on a daily basis offline...buying and selling goods can lead to a trustful relationship over time, but so can consistent "trustworthy" behavior (i.e. following through on your promises / keeping your word, adding value to the community, etc). Personally, I value a member's historical behavior more than I do their past trades.

You should not trust someone just because they make "good" posts. Many sociopaths are very smart people and will routinely scam.

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Quote from: NoobKidOnTheBlock on January 01, 2015, 05:05:33 PM

So to earn a trust rating you have to have done trades with other members of the community? Is that what I am gathering from all of this?

No.

The criteria for leaving trust are:

Positive - You trust this person or had a successful trade.
Neutral - Comments. Your rating will not affect this person's trust score.
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

For the visible green/red trust summary over there <------ , it must be left by someone who is on either the default trust list or you have added to your trust list for you to see it.
If I decided you were worth a trust rating and feedback for one of the above reasons, it wouldn't show in the summary to anyone who hadn't added me to their trusted list, but would be listed on your profile under "untrusted feedback".

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Quote from: NoobKidOnTheBlock on January 01, 2015, 05:05:33 PM

So to earn a trust rating you have to have done trades with other members of the community? Is that what I am gathering from all of this?

Consistent successful trading is the most popular way to garner trust from other members, but certainly not the only way. Think of how you'd trust someone on a daily basis offline...buying and selling goods can lead to a trustful relationship over time, but so can consistent "trustworthy" behavior (i.e. following through on your promises / keeping your word, adding value to the community, etc). Personally, I value a member's historical behavior more than I do their past trades.

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So to earn a trust rating you have to have done trades with other members of the community? Is that what I am gathering from all of this?

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Shouldnt this amount decrease? Just a thought.

- If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating.

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Quote from: theymos on July 29, 2014, 07:22:05 PM

Quote from: sed on July 29, 2014, 01:42:16 PM

I'm just curious about how the actual numbers get calculated.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/suggestions-for-computing-trust-scores-337207

Sweet! That's what I was looking for! Curiosity sated. mmmmm.

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Quote from: theymos on July 29, 2014, 07:22:05 PM

Quote from: sed on July 29, 2014, 01:42:16 PM

I'm just curious about how the actual numbers get calculated.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/suggestions-for-computing-trust-scores-337207

Thanks. Hadn't seen that before.

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Quote from: sed on July 29, 2014, 01:42:16 PM

I'm just curious about how the actual numbers get calculated.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/suggestions-for-computing-trust-scores-337207

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Quote from: sed on July 29, 2014, 01:42:16 PM

You guy's will forgive me if I keep bumping this question, originally asked by tspacepilot on the last page and seconded (and thirded) by me:

How to understand the details of the calculation which results in the various numbers. There's a conceptual description on page 1, but no details (AFAIK) anywhere. I'm just curious about how the actual numbers get calculated.

Quote from: tspacepilot on July 29, 2014, 03:08:33 PM

Quote from: tspacepilot on July 10, 2014, 11:11:16 PM

The OP talks about how the first number is about how "consistently" the user has received positive feedback. The second number is the number of scams. Then the third and fourth numbers are said to increase with positive feedback with the fourth being less vunerable to abuse. Is there any more detailed explanation about what these numbers mean? It's not crucial I'm just curious about it.

Yup, I'm still waiting for this too. I'm thinking now that only theymos knows, or someone else probably would have chimed in by now.

I'm not aware of Theymos ever making the exact calculations public. I rarely depend on those numbers for anything anyhow. They are too easy to manipulate. I typically scan through the actual written feedback looking at what was actually written and who wrote it.

Right, I think that's what I mean, I'm wondering if he will make the calculation public so that we can have some idea how to interpret these numbers. I agree that they can be manipulated, but that doesn't sate my curiousity about how they are produced. I guess I could start making a bunch of alt accounts and fool around with the trust system until I figure it out by empirical reverse engineering, but it seems easier just to ask

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Quote from: tspacepilot on July 10, 2014, 11:11:16 PM

The OP talks about how the first number is about how "consistently" the user has received positive feedback. The second number is the number of scams. Then the third and fourth numbers are said to increase with positive feedback with the fourth being less vunerable to abuse. Is there any more detailed explanation about what these numbers mean? It's not crucial I'm just curious about it.

Yup, I'm still waiting for this too. I'm thinking now that only theymos knows, or someone else probably would have chimed in by now.

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You guy's will forgive me if I keep bumping this question, originally asked by tspacepilot on the last page and seconded (and thirded) by me:

How to understand the details of the calculation which results in the various numbers. There's a conceptual description on page 1, but no details (AFAIK) anywhere. I'm just curious about how the actual numbers get calculated.

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It's automatic. You can try it yourself. The feedback you leave will be 'trusted' in your eyes so it will show up as so to you or anybody who has added you to their trust list. It might not show up 'green' but you'll see a little +1.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on July 29, 2014, 12:57:37 PM

That's because he got a negative feedback from someone in the trust list.

When you get positive trust from a default trusted member does it update automatically or is it the same as activity and you have to wait 30 minutes or so. (for it to show up green that is)

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That's because he got a negative feedback from someone in the trust list.

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Quote from: Crossbow376 on July 28, 2014, 10:53:13 AM

Quote from: galbros on July 25, 2014, 05:40:33 PM

Quote from: BadBear on May 22, 2014, 10:48:33 PM

That is based on the trust ratings from people in your trusted feedback list. If you haven't changed it, it's using the default list. It isn't universal, many different people have different people on their list, so it will be different for everyone.

You might see someone with +20, while I see him as -20 based on whose feedback I value (so I added them to my list). Point I'm trying to make is you can't control how someone else views you.

This is a great explanation. The only thing that I can't figure is who gets added (and deleted) to/from "default trust" and why/how? That seems to be the only thing that could be abused. Thanks.

You can check it on the page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

Theymos controls who are in the first level of the default trust system (those trusted directly by DefaultTrust https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/defaulttrust-122551), and then those persons can decide who are in the second level of the default trust system (those trusted by them).

As far as I know, you can also remove "default trust" and put your own list of top level trust. However, what about my question above: how are the numbers actually calculated? They are so confusing. Apart from <0 is bad and >0 is good, I have no idea how to interpret the various numbers. For me, even Theymos has a -1 in the second number.

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