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Quote from: galbros on July 25, 2014, 05:40:33 PM

Quote from: BadBear on May 22, 2014, 10:48:33 PM

That is based on the trust ratings from people in your trusted feedback list. If you haven't changed it, it's using the default list. It isn't universal, many different people have different people on their list, so it will be different for everyone.

You might see someone with +20, while I see him as -20 based on whose feedback I value (so I added them to my list). Point I'm trying to make is you can't control how someone else views you.

This is a great explanation. The only thing that I can't figure is who gets added (and deleted) to/from "default trust" and why/how? That seems to be the only thing that could be abused. Thanks.

You can check it on the page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

Theymos controls who are in the first level of the default trust system (those trusted directly by DefaultTrust https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/defaulttrust-122551), and then those persons can decide who are in the second level of the default trust system (those trusted by them).

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Quote from: TheButterZone on February 19, 2014, 03:23:12 PM

Note the 21 million BTC risked ratings sent and received by CrazyRabbi. Anyone leaving those should be banned or their trust ratings deleted at least, as long as that many BTC don't yet exist.

What about leaving trust for satochi?

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Quote from: galbros on July 25, 2014, 05:40:33 PM

Quote from: BadBear on May 22, 2014, 10:48:33 PM

That is based on the trust ratings from people in your trusted feedback list. If you haven't changed it, it's using the default list. It isn't universal, many different people have different people on their list, so it will be different for everyone.

You might see someone with +20, while I see him as -20 based on whose feedback I value (so I added them to my list). Point I'm trying to make is you can't control how someone else views you.

This is a great explanation. The only thing that I can't figure is who gets added (and deleted) to/from "default trust" and why/how? That seems to be the only thing that could be abused. Thanks.

Ok, but the only think I can't figure out is how the actual numbers are calculated. It's quite opaque, I think. And as far as I know, it hasn't been explained anywhere. Even if someone can just point me to the code that does the calculation, that would satisfy my curiosity.

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Quote from: galbros on July 25, 2014, 05:40:33 PM

Quote from: BadBear on May 22, 2014, 10:48:33 PM

That is based on the trust ratings from people in your trusted feedback list. If you haven't changed it, it's using the default list. It isn't universal, many different people have different people on their list, so it will be different for everyone.

You might see someone with +20, while I see him as -20 based on whose feedback I value (so I added them to my list). Point I'm trying to make is you can't control how someone else views you.

This is a great explanation. The only thing that I can't figure is who gets added (and deleted) to/from "default trust" and why/how? That seems to be the only thing that could be abused. Thanks.

AFAIK users were added to default trust by Thermos because they have completed many trades on this form and have been considered to be reputable.

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Quote from: BadBear on May 22, 2014, 10:48:33 PM

That is based on the trust ratings from people in your trusted feedback list. If you haven't changed it, it's using the default list. It isn't universal, many different people have different people on their list, so it will be different for everyone.

You might see someone with +20, while I see him as -20 based on whose feedback I value (so I added them to my list). Point I'm trying to make is you can't control how someone else views you.

This is a great explanation. The only thing that I can't figure is who gets added (and deleted) to/from "default trust" and why/how? That seems to be the only thing that could be abused. Thanks.

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Quote from: Mr. Jinx on July 25, 2014, 10:59:13 AM

The problem I have with this kind of systems is when you give someone negative feedback, because he/she messed up something, you will always get negative feedback from that person back. So you will hurt yourself.

But, feedback from untrusted people doesn't affect your score, and is specifically listed as "untrusted" feedback on the trust page.

You get to choose whose feedback you trust and whose you don't, by setting up your trust list. Therefore, you choose whose feedback matters to you when you are investigating the possibility of doing business with someone.

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The problem I have with this kind of systems is when you give someone negative feedback, because he/she messed up something, you will always get negative feedback from that person back. So you will hurt yourself.

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Quote from: tspacepilot on July 10, 2014, 11:11:16 PM

The OP talks about how the first number is about how "consistently" the user has received positive feedback. The second number is the number of scams. Then the third and fourth numbers are said to increase with positive feedback with the fourth being less vunerable to abuse. Is there any more detailed explanation about what these numbers mean? It's not crucial I'm just curious about it.

I have the same question. I read the OP but I'm still confused about how each of the numbers is calculated. I saw a guy recently with positive trust in the first number and negative in the second number. The guy who owns butterfly labs apparnatly has -1700 on the first number!! But I didn't see 1700 feedbacks on his account. So anyway, how do these numbers get calculated?

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The OP talks about how the first number is about how "consistently" the user has received positive feedback. The second number is the number of scams. Then the third and fourth numbers are said to increase with positive feedback with the fourth being less vunerable to abuse. Is there any more detailed explanation about what these numbers mean? It's not crucial I'm just curious about it.

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Quote from: BadBear on May 22, 2014, 10:48:33 PM

That is based on the trust ratings from people in your trusted feedback list. If you haven't changed it, it's using the default list. It isn't universal, many different people have different people on their list, so it will be different for everyone.

You might see someone with +20, while I see him as -20 based on whose feedback I value (so I added them to my list). Point I'm trying to make is you can't control how someone else views you.

ahh so we see each player differently ? I did not even know about that trust list , i will need to start editing it. Tnx.

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That is based on the trust ratings from people in your trusted feedback list. If you haven't changed it, it's using the default list. It isn't universal, many different people have different people on their list, so it will be different for everyone.

You might see someone with +20, while I see him as -20 based on whose feedback I value (so I added them to my list). Point I'm trying to make is you can't control how someone else views you.

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Most of the time I've been on this forum, there were no trust feedback until now. So it might be very newbish to ask this, but I still don't fully understand how the displayed ratings work. Why do I have a zero for all the displayed rating, but when you view my profile, you can see some confirmed trades?

And if I were to leave negative feedback to a scammer, how will I ensure that he won't leave me negative feedback just for retaliation?

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Quote from: SaltySpitoon on February 26, 2014, 12:37:08 AM

Quote from: tspacepilot on February 26, 2014, 12:24:00 AM

Theymos,

Can you remove TradeFortress from default trust?

Just last week someone was asking me about why I have a negative trust rating. I said it was from TradeFortress as to my knowledge he's the only one who had any beef with me (and I never even traded with him FWIW).

Anyway, after the whole input.io and coinlenders scandal, I'm sorta thinking he shouldn't be on the default trust list.

Anyhelp?

Tradefortress isn't on the default trust list. He was removed shortly after the Inputs.io thing

Nice, glad they finally stopped endorsing him.

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Quote from: SlidingHorn on March 05, 2014, 10:27:49 AM

Quote from: SlidingHorn on March 04, 2014, 10:05:15 AM

Can we please get some sort of reasoning behind there not being Trust displayed in the Newbie forums? This is one place that needs that system the most.

I know I've posted about it more than once, and no one will give a good explanation.

Thanks.

Still have this question, but I'm posting because I have another one:

Is it possible to remove a single user from your trust circle? There's one that's added through someone I *do* trust, whose input I simply don't take seriously, and I'd rather not see them under "Trusted" feedback. Nothing personal against the user, I just don't find their ratings to be reliable.

(e.g. Can I list them as -username instead on the Trust Settings page?)

I have been thinking about this too. My trust in their integrity != my trust in their judgement. The same thing happens with bitcoin-otc.

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Quote from: SlidingHorn on March 04, 2014, 10:05:15 AM

Can we please get some sort of reasoning behind there not being Trust displayed in the Newbie forums? This is one place that needs that system the most.

I know I've posted about it more than once, and no one will give a good explanation.

Thanks.

Still have this question, but I'm posting because I have another one:

Is it possible to remove a single user from your trust circle? There's one that's added through someone I *do* trust, whose input I simply don't take seriously, and I'd rather not see them under "Trusted" feedback. Nothing personal against the user, I just don't find their ratings to be reliable.

(e.g. Can I list them as -username instead on the Trust Settings page?)

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Can we please get some sort of reasoning behind there not being Trust displayed in the Newbie forums? This is one place that needs that system the most.

I know I've posted about it more than once, and no one will give a good explanation.

Thanks.

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Quote from: tysat on March 01, 2014, 10:28:10 AM

Quote from: tysat on May 25, 2013, 08:21:28 AM

I think we really just need to give it some time to see how it plays out. Per what theymos has said part of it is based off of age of feedback, so we won't really know for a few months. Plus if it is bad it can always be changed/removed.

It was implemented in May 2013... I think it's had time to play out already Tongue

It sure is a mean system to newbies who have something to prove
Or Goats and or GMaxwells who don't really trade or escrow even though its supposed to be Marketplace Trust ^^

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Quote from: tysat on May 25, 2013, 08:21:28 AM

I think we really just need to give it some time to see how it plays out. Per what theymos has said part of it is based off of age of feedback, so we won't really know for a few months. Plus if it is bad it can always be changed/removed.

It was implemented in May 2013... I think it's had time to play out already Tongue

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Quote from: SaltySpitoon on February 26, 2014, 12:37:08 AM

Quote from: tspacepilot on February 26, 2014, 12:24:00 AM

Theymos,

Can you remove TradeFortress from default trust?

Just last week someone was asking me about why I have a negative trust rating. I said it was from TradeFortress as to my knowledge he's the only one who had any beef with me (and I never even traded with him FWIW).

Anyway, after the whole input.io and coinlenders scandal, I'm sorta thinking he shouldn't be on the default trust list.

Anyhelp?

Tradefortress isn't on the default trust list. He was removed shortly after the Inputs.io thing

I haven't changed my settings still see him in ~~default trust~~ theymos trust list
@Tspace Tysat also gave you one and his have weight

No other user gave him a rating
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/super-miner-119243

~~Edit (Weird shows up and doesn't show up)~~

Figured it Out

If Theymos IS your default trust then you see tradefortresses posts
IF Defaulttrust is the trust setting you use then you don't see it

Did the forum switch from Theymos to defaulttrust don't recall changing my settings

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Quote from: tspacepilot on February 26, 2014, 12:24:00 AM

Theymos,

Can you remove TradeFortress from default trust?

Just last week someone was asking me about why I have a negative trust rating. I said it was from TradeFortress as to my knowledge he's the only one who had any beef with me (and I never even traded with him FWIW).

Anyway, after the whole input.io and coinlenders scandal, I'm sorta thinking he shouldn't be on the default trust list.

Anyhelp?

Tradefortress isn't on the default trust list. He was removed shortly after the Inputs.io thing

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