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Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 25. (Read 227096 times)

legendary
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June 06, 2014, 10:30:14 AM
So this gives the right at shooting civilians , good to know!

The Georgian troops had massacred close to 1,000 civilians prior to the arrival of Russian re-reinforcements. And these so called Russian troops included non-Russsians such as Abkhazs and Trans-dniestrians.
legendary
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June 06, 2014, 10:28:06 AM
Turchinov cancelled 82 decrees signed by Kuchma, Jushenko and Janukovish during the last years:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/380014

He is making the most of the remaining day (of his life?).
hero member
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in defi we trust
legendary
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hero member
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in defi we trust
June 06, 2014, 10:18:48 AM
Yes, I know about US involvement in such incidents. Mind that they've the biggest army in the world (right?), so that makes sense that more incidents are reported.

Just because they are the biggest army (I really doubt that, as far as I know, the PLA is the biggest one), they have the right to commit rape and murder abroad? I never hear reports of Chinese soldiers raping women in Angola or Russian soldiers shooting civilians in Abkhazia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=230FGoh6_Sg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veQIdaR0J70

legendary
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June 06, 2014, 10:13:19 AM
Yes, I know about US involvement in such incidents. Mind that they've the biggest army in the world (right?), so that makes sense that more incidents are reported.

Just because they are the biggest army (I really doubt that, as far as I know, the PLA is the biggest one), they have the right to commit rape and murder abroad? I never hear reports of Chinese soldiers raping women in Angola or Russian soldiers shooting civilians in Abkhazia.
legendary
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June 06, 2014, 09:20:51 AM
Only about 30% more, the remaining 70% is US...  Grin



This one's important:

Us or them: German peace researchers give EU-Ukraine policy failing grade
http://rt.com/news/164164-germany-eu-ukraine-policy/

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German Peace researchers have criticized EU foreign policy for putting Ukraine in “an unacceptable either/or” situation, which has both contributed to causing the ongoing crisis in the country and done little to alleviate it.

The assessment was made by five leading research institutes in their ‘Friedensgutachten 2014’ (Peace Report 2014), presented jointly in Berlin on Tuesday, Deutsche Welle reports.

“The European Union policy of essentially presenting Ukraine with an either/or choice in the form of the association agreement was a momentous mistake," said Ines-Jacqueline Werkner of the Protestant Institute for Interdisciplinary Research in Heidelberg (FEST).



Merkel and Putin had the first talk in person since the start of the crisis:
http://itar-tass.com/politika/1242546?utm_medium=rss20
legendary
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Live like there is no tomorrow!
June 06, 2014, 09:12:23 AM
Some people might dislike the possible establishments of the NATO soldiers, others don't as they are going to receive the safety they deserve (against Russia & the east..).

Safety they deserve, from the American soldiers? They will be better off with soldiers from Sudan or Saudi Arabia instead.  Grin

Forgot incidents such as these?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21626049
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

Safety from the NATO, against activists from the east and Russia.

Sure, we all know many incidents like that. Although that's a very small part of all the soldiers on earth. But hey, killing civilians is less worse right? ..

The US-involvement in atrocities in murder of civilians is well documented, so, yes, that's another reason to shy away from NATO bases.

I was talking about the current situation in Ukraine.  Yes, I know about US involvement in such incidents. Mind that they've the biggest army in the world (right?), so that makes sense that more incidents are reported.

However, a NATO army isn't just the USA. The NATO is more than just the USA.
legendary
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June 06, 2014, 09:10:32 AM
Safety from the NATO, against activists from the east and Russia.
Sure, we all know many incidents like that. Although that's a very small part of all the soldiers on earth. But hey, killing civilians is less worse right? ..

Such incidents occur too frequently to be called rare.

And now we can talk about killing civilians. Do you think that NATO is having a good track record on that (especially in Afghanistan and Iraq)? Do you want me to give you examples?
legendary
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June 06, 2014, 09:07:23 AM
Some people might dislike the possible establishments of the NATO soldiers, others don't as they are going to receive the safety they deserve (against Russia & the east..).

Safety they deserve, from the American soldiers? They will be better off with soldiers from Sudan or Saudi Arabia instead.  Grin

Forgot incidents such as these?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21626049
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

Safety from the NATO, against activists from the east and Russia.

Sure, we all know many incidents like that. Although that's a very small part of all the soldiers on earth. But hey, killing civilians is less worse right? ..

The US-involvement in atrocities in murder of civilians is well documented, so, yes, that's another reason to shy away from NATO bases.
legendary
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Merit: 1007
Live like there is no tomorrow!
June 06, 2014, 09:04:11 AM
Some people might dislike the possible establishments of the NATO soldiers, others don't as they are going to receive the safety they deserve (against Russia & the east..).

Safety they deserve, from the American soldiers? They will be better off with soldiers from Sudan or Saudi Arabia instead.  Grin

Forgot incidents such as these?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21626049
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

Safety from the NATO, against activists from the east and Russia.

Sure, we all know many incidents like that. Although that's a very small part of all the soldiers on earth. But hey, killing civilians is less worse right? ..
legendary
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Merit: 1014
June 06, 2014, 09:02:04 AM
Putin, Poroshenko meet on D-Day sidelines, call for end to E.Ukraine bloodshed
http://rt.com/news/164236-putin-poroshenko-ukraine-bloodshed/

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Both leaders “have spoken for a prompt end to bloodshed in southeast Ukraine as well as for an end to military actions from both sides – from the side of the Ukrainian armed forces and the supporters of federalization of Ukraine,” said Putin’s press secretary, Dmitry Peskov.

Putin and Poroshenko also agreed that there is “no alternative” to “peaceful political means” to resolve the conflict in Ukraine.
legendary
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June 06, 2014, 08:48:27 AM
Some people might dislike the possible establishments of the NATO soldiers, others don't as they are going to receive the safety they deserve (against Russia & the east..).

Safety they deserve, from the American soldiers? They will be better off with soldiers from Sudan or Saudi Arabia instead.  Grin

Forgot incidents such as these?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21626049
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident
legendary
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Merit: 1007
Live like there is no tomorrow!
June 06, 2014, 08:44:07 AM
^^^ The favorability ratings in the West and Center will change once the NATO soldiers establish their bases there and behave like the way they do in places like Japan and Germany.  Grin

You are pro-east right? Or pro-Russian?

Some people might dislike the possible establishments of the NATO soldiers, others don't as they are going to receive the safety they deserve (against Russia & the east..).
legendary
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June 06, 2014, 07:46:03 AM
^^^ The favorability ratings in the West and Center will change once the NATO soldiers establish their bases there and behave like the way they do in places like Japan and Germany.  Grin
legendary
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June 06, 2014, 07:33:24 AM
pb is US is threatening FR with that BNP scandal. such BS. they came after that bank only because we wouldnt back down regarding the mistral sales.

France should stay strong and be its own master. No one should say that it to jump into an alliance with Russia if it defies a US(NATO) order. If France decides to not finish building those ships, it must be done on the premise of what is good for France, not on what is good for the US.



While in Ukraine...

East, west Ukraine at odds over country’s future – Gallup poll
http://rt.com/news/164076-ukraine-poll-east-west/

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“Only a slim majority of Ukrainians overall (51.2 percent) agree that the interim government in Kiev is the legitimate government of Ukraine. That figure rises only slightly to 53.5 percent when Crimeans are excluded from the results,” a poll issued by Gallup, an American research-based, global performance-management consulting company, finds.

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One of the questions in the poll, which was called ‘Favorability toward the United States’ Role in Crisis’, asked if the US has played a “mostly positive” role or a “mostly negative role” in the Ukrainian crisis. The results showed that 58.8 percent of residents in the west think that US interference with their country’ affairs is positive. However, southern and eastern Ukraine doesn’t trust ‘the US cookies’, with only 25.9 and 17.1 percent respectively showing support for Washington.

These are yet more maps that can be safely added to the collection in the "Two Ukraines" blog:
http://yablor.ru/blogs/dve-ukraini/3638493


legendary
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June 06, 2014, 06:46:02 AM
France will not bow down to the US.  Grin

France defends sale of Mistral assault ships to Russia

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27729578

See the most important part:

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French President Francois Hollande has come under sustained pressure from European allies over the Mistral-class helicopter carriers, which are set to be delivered to the Black Sea ports in Crimea, annexed by Russia in March.

pb is US is threatening FR with that BNP scandal. such BS. they came after that bank only because we wouldnt back down regarding the mistral sales.
legendary
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June 06, 2014, 06:23:00 AM
Congrats Ukraine, for reaching the new milestone!

legendary
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June 06, 2014, 05:26:43 AM
France will not bow down to the US.  Grin

France defends sale of Mistral assault ships to Russia

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27729578

See the most important part:

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French President Francois Hollande has come under sustained pressure from European allies over the Mistral-class helicopter carriers, which are set to be delivered to the Black Sea ports in Crimea, annexed by Russia in March.
legendary
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June 06, 2014, 04:45:54 AM
Poroshenko promises that peace and stability in Ukraine will be restored within 3 months of his inauguration. He promises wide-range amnesty during his inauguration in the 7th and a peaceful approach. He also promises decentralisation and that he conducts negotiations with EU, USA and Canada regarding development of such plan (interesting that he needs to consult with NATO first, and not with his people, also wonder if it'll be federalisation that Russia was suggesting all along)
http://ria.ru/world/20140606/1010903392.html



However, enough of the doublespeak.

While he was saying it, Pentagon sent military advisors to Ukraine (and we all know what military advisors do in proxy conflicts):
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/06/06/n_6210817.shtml
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