Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 28.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 03, 2014, 09:23:10 AM

Russia has again urged the Kiev junta to allow the distribution of humanitarian aid in the Donbass region.

Ukraine silent as Russia offers humanitarian aid for Donetsk, Luhansk regions

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/734519

Russia volunteering humanitarian aid for the Ukraine is like a drug dealer volunteering to hand out some free needles at the needle exchange programme.

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Russia has again urged the Kiev junta to allow the distribution of humanitarian aid in the Donbass region.

Ukraine silent as Russia offers humanitarian aid for Donetsk, Luhansk regions

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/734519

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UN is waking up...

4yo among seven Ukrainian kids wounded in clashes – UN
http://rt.com/news/163288-seven-children-wounded-unicef/

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“In one case, a 15- year-old boy was wounded while in a car at a checkpoint,” UNICEF says. “Currently a kid, who got shot in the stomach and had his intestines damaged, is in serious condition.”

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"Russian children’s facilities are ready to take and accommodate all of the Ukrainian orphans,” Astakhov said, adding that Russia has already helped evacuate 830 children from the conflict zone in Ukraine and sent them to summer camps in Crimea.

Worries over fate of the children are now part of Russia’s draft resolution on Ukraine, according to Ambassador to the UN Vitaly Churkin.

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This is the latest development from Slavyansk. Don't know how much reliable it is.

East Ukraine militia down fighter plane, helicopter gunship, 4 APCs

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/734484

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And I though you did you homework on the gas wars history since 1992. you use backwards logic. No one forced Ukraine to each and every time demand cheaper gas. If they wanted to be independent, they should have taken the responsibility.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on June 03, 2014, 07:26:38 AM

"break the buyer's legs to get him into debt" - that's just stupid! Stop paying your electricity bill for a few months and see where it gets you.

It's called usury.... Wikipedia usury

Obviously you don't want to completely 'kill' the borrower, just rough them up a little. Think of it as a financial investment.

1) You put in a little bit more effort at the start (breaking legs)
2) It's temporarily more difficult for the borrower to pay off their debt. The debt grows exponentially, and they have to work much harder to pay it off.
3) Profit!

I thought you Russians were "well educated"... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: blablahblah on June 03, 2014, 07:24:28 AM

Russia is a Mafia. Just selling gas 'honestly' is not enough. They must break the buyer's legs to get him into debt, so that he will spend the rest of his life paying it off, even if he's hardly using any gas at all.

Hardly using any gas? Ukraine has heavy industry, using gas. All heating id done using gas. All cooking is done using gas.

"break the buyer's legs to get him into debt" - that's just stupid! Stop paying your electricity bill for a few months and see where it gets you.

Quote from: blablahblah on June 03, 2014, 07:24:28 AM

But I thought they wanted to join the Soviets, oops I mean, the "Eurasian Economic Union"?

In Ukraine there is a love/hate relation to Russia, coinciding to the East/West partition. Plus, the Western part puts a little love over the hate base when the gas is delivered cheaply, and the borders are open, so they can find work in Russia.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on June 03, 2014, 07:09:09 AM

That sentence was meant as a sarcastic remark, please don't twist it.

It fully covers the impression one gets when watching the gas wars from the sidelines:
Ukraine: Give us cheap gas as in the SU days!
Russia: You'll be paying the market price, live everyone else.
Ukraine: No, you must give the gas for cheap, or we will not like you even more!

See the pattern? Wink

But I thought they wanted to join the Soviets, oops I mean, the "Eurasian Economic Union"? And it's just the evil coup-leaders in Kiev who are stopping them?

Russia is a Mafia. Just selling gas 'honestly' is not enough. They must break the buyer's legs to get him into debt, so that he will spend the rest of his life paying it off, even if he's hardly using any gas at all.

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Now, to the reason I was here Tongue

Kiev's ‘indiscriminate shelling of residential areas’ must be stopped – Russia
http://rt.com/news/163204-ukraine-un-resolution-russia/

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“Every day civilians get killed, among them women and children,” Churkin said. “Ukrainian military and paramilitary forces impede the peaceful population, leaving besieged cities or sending their children to safe places. Buses of children are turned back.”

Ukrainian Parliament gave green light to arrest deputy Carev (he was a presidential candidate, but was removed from the run by force. Now they are cleaning up)
http://www.interfax.ru/world/379331

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That sentence was meant as a sarcastic remark, please don't twist it.

It fully covers the impression one gets when watching the gas wars from the sidelines:
Ukraine: Give us cheap gas as in the SU days!
Russia: You'll be paying the market price, live everyone else.
Ukraine: No, you must give the gas for cheap, or we will not like you even more!

See the pattern? Wink

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on June 02, 2014, 06:30:30 PM

Quote from: Souldream on June 02, 2014, 03:07:09 PM

And now Russia claims that the plague is back on Ukraina and of course the army is behind ... what will be the next lie ?

This sentence identifies you as a troll. Welcome to the company of Pagan.

Maybe it takes one to know one?

Mr. "I sincerely believe Russia wants to helpfully wean Ukraine off the cheap gas"? Yeah, and the Arabs recruited Al Qaida to assist the West in transitioning to greener energy. Grin

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The truth about Vostok....

Understanding the Mysterious Appearance of the Chechen ‘Vostok’ Battalion in Eastern Ukraine

http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=42447#.U41V7vmSw_s

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Quote from: Souldream on June 02, 2014, 03:07:09 PM

And now Russia claims that the plague is back on Ukraina and of course the army is behind ... what will be the next lie ?

This sentence identifies you as a troll. Welcome to the company of Pagan.

A humoristic mute cartoon about how badly Ukraine wants to get into EU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOPbUoZwoEM

A small footnote on RT and the annals of history:

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Ukraine’s electoral body officially declares Poroshenko president

Ukraine’s Central Electoral Commission published official results of the May-25 presidential election on Monday. The winner – Petro Poroshenko – gained 54.70 percent of the vote. Yulia Tymoshenko, who came second, got 12.81 percent. The turnout was 51.7 percent. The inauguration of the new head of state is expected to take place on June 7.

Biaden will head the US delegation to Poroshenko's inauguration:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2014/06/140602_rn_poroshenko_biden.shtml

Russia's envoy to UN, Churkin, presented to the Security Council the project on resolution on the state of humanitarian affairs in Ukraine:
http://itar-tass.com/politika/1233883?utm_medium=rss20

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Ukrainian army shells Semyonovka village near Slavyansk leaving it without electricity.

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/734418

The village is located on the outskirts of Slavyansk.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLVsP4M6ITU&list=PLmyeYXPoJZYpoojX_GF19WF7BJ2IdAgED

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on June 02, 2014, 02:57:13 PM

What naval weapons? Russia return to Ukraine the ships that could go under their own steam - they are in Odessa.

As for weapons, you forget that not all Ukrainian army is fighting against its own people.

Now the interesting thing about that video is that they captured a few German and American-made units, M-16 in particular. One commentator says that this corresponds to the fact that during Maidan shooting there were shells from 5,56×45mm calibre, used by NATO.

1 only ??

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Quote from: stompix on May 29, 2014, 11:34:34 AM

Also I would love to see the opinion of another polish official , like Jarosław Kaczyński who lost his brother in a mysterious accident a few years ago Smolensk , which was "obviously" not the fault of... anybody.

Yes and how russian managed this accident, does it need to be recalled that all body parts was mixed in coffin when they get shipped back to Poland ?
Why the first plane landed correctly with all the press team ?
Why Russian keep all evidences from the plane and not sent to poland yet ?

Smolensk ... the place where thousands polish officers were killed by .... ? Russian ... they took big time to try to erase this big lie... they claims since the start nazis killed them ... but russian army killed them.

And now Russia claims that the plague is back on Ukraina and of course the army is behind ... what will be the next lie ?

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$18 million is so generous help, especially when a debt is twice higher than GDP. I remember when USA provided "$10000 aid" to moldavia once, that was incredibly generous too.

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The NATO support for Ukraine is continuing unabated, despite the carpet bombing campaign.

US to provide $18 million aid to Ukraine to 'boost security measures' - Pentagon official

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_02/US-to-provide-18-million-aid-to-Ukraine-to-boost-security-measures-Pentagon-official-7438/

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What naval weapons? Russia return to Ukraine the ships that could go under their own steam - they are in Odessa.

As for weapons, you forget that not all Ukrainian army is fighting against its own people.

Now the interesting thing about that video is that they captured a few German and American-made units, M-16 in particular. One commentator says that this corresponds to the fact that during Maidan shooting there were shells from 5,56×45mm calibre, used by NATO.

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