Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 27. (Read 227070 times)
OSCE team spotted in Lugansk. They had confirmed the reports of Ukrainian jets bombing the administration building on yesterday.
Poroshenko acquired Kiev factory of experimental constructions through his "Closed corporative fund Poroshenko", which is now called "Prime assetcapital":
http://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2014/06/04/n_6206489.shtml
Merkel threatens Russia with new sanctions because there is unrest an lapse of control on the border with Ukraine:
http://russian.rt.com/article/35039
Hasn't she noticed a slightly bigger problem? Like a Civil War going on in Ukraine?
http://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2014/06/04/n_6206489.shtml
Merkel threatens Russia with new sanctions because there is unrest an lapse of control on the border with Ukraine:
http://russian.rt.com/article/35039
Hasn't she noticed a slightly bigger problem? Like a Civil War going on in Ukraine?
But now what, you're going to assassinate the character of every post-USSR leader before the T.V. celebrity/clown Putin came along?
I have problems only with Yeltsin and to (some extent) Gorbachev. Do you find any of my posts criticizing the other post-USSR leaders such as Viktor Chernomyrdin or Sergey Kiriyenko?
Yeltsin and Gorbachev are the only two Russian leaders I can think of who actually took things seriously.
Yes. I can understand your love for Yeltsin.
This is how proxy wars are fought:
Obama, Ukraine president-elect discuss US help to train Kiev's military
http://rt.com/news/163564-obama-ukraine-military-aid/
NATO ‘beefing up muscles’ over Ukraine crisis a mistake – Russia
http://rt.com/news/163472-churkin-ukraine-nato-buildup/
As for Yeltsin. Even during his rise to power, his agenda was unclear. Any popularity that he gained while denouncing his communist party membership, quickly waned during the years when the country's wealth was transferred into oligarch's hands (think "privatisation", monetary reforms, and Berezovskij, who was the real ruler behind the throne), while its significance on the international arena was dissipating.
Ukraine will get from US military aid for 5 million dollars (it's an Obamapromise so far, but still - that's not what Ukraine needs right now. It needs cool heads to negotiate and talk out of the crisis):
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/06/04/obamaporoshenko/
Obama, Ukraine president-elect discuss US help to train Kiev's military
http://rt.com/news/163564-obama-ukraine-military-aid/
NATO ‘beefing up muscles’ over Ukraine crisis a mistake – Russia
http://rt.com/news/163472-churkin-ukraine-nato-buildup/
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“Some members of the council seem to believe that the situation there can be settled by force, in fact encourage Kiev to continue their punitive operation in eastern parts of Ukraine,” Churkin said. “We believe it’s a grave mistake and we believe the Security Council with its responsibility for international peace and security should seek peaceful solutions to any issue, which it might come in contact with.”
As for Yeltsin. Even during his rise to power, his agenda was unclear. Any popularity that he gained while denouncing his communist party membership, quickly waned during the years when the country's wealth was transferred into oligarch's hands (think "privatisation", monetary reforms, and Berezovskij, who was the real ruler behind the throne), while its significance on the international arena was dissipating.
Ukraine will get from US military aid for 5 million dollars (it's an Obamapromise so far, but still - that's not what Ukraine needs right now. It needs cool heads to negotiate and talk out of the crisis):
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/06/04/obamaporoshenko/
I thought you guys hated the former USSR? Wasn't Yeltsin the first president of the free Russia, who brought about lots of reforms and helped end the Cold War? You seem so confused!
I am not confused. May be the problem with you is that you can't read and write.
Yeltsin wasn't a president. He was simply an American puppet. And so it is not much surprising that you are supporting the drunkard here.
and raise lots of Russian flags for the cameras
Newsflash: lots of flags were also raised off-cameras. There were whole residential blocks where people were hanging Russian flags from their balconies.
Now, back to Ukraine (and Russia).
Putin finally made some statement today (after several days of complete silence from the Kremlin). Russia has no views on annexing the South-East. There are and never were any Russian army units in that region:
http://www.newsru.com/russia/04jun2014/putin.html
Damn. I have a bad feeling that Kiev will become emboldened by this statement, and that blood is going to flow in ever greater quantities now.
Didn't the heavily militarised island of Crimea hastily abandon their independence and join Russia (and raise lots of Russian flags for the cameras) because they were so terrified by those crazy Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazis who were attacking from the north?
Crimea tried to secede from Ukraine in 1992. But at that time the drunkard Yeltsin bowed down to his American puppet masters and rejected the merger request from Crimea. This time it was different. If they wanted Crimea to become a part of Ukraine, the Kiev junta should have taken steps to increase the confidence of the Crimeans. Instead they took the steps alienating them further, such as banning the Russian language and closing down the Russian language schools.
Some news from the Russian press:
Klicjko is now officially the mayor of Kiev:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/379447
Let's see how Maidan reacts to it...
Yanukovich, his sons, a number of officials and businessmen have filed a lawsuite with the European Court in the Luxembourg, protesting the legality of the sanctions:
http://www.utro.ru/articles/2014/06/03/1198875.shtml
Dniepropetrovs play the Wild West film script. They have set a bounty of $500,000 for capturing Carev.
http://russian.rt.com/article/34930
Yes, folks, that's half a million we are talking here. They obviously want to finish what Right Sector started, when they physically beat him out of the presidential run, as he, and not Poroshenko, was the favourite for the win.
Poroshenko reaffirmed the course towards Euro-integration:
During the same speech Poroshenko said that he is sure that "Crimea will be Ukrainian" and that "Ukraine will be together with Crimea"
http://www.interfax.ru/world/379454
Well, well, the the Euro-collision course has been confirmed. Now, where will the impact point be?
He must decide on one of the two:
Crimea will be Ukrainian = all 1.8 million Russians will be killed/deported
Ukraine will be together with Crimea = by that time, Crimea would have reached such high living standards, compared to Ukraine, that Ukraine will wish to join Crimea.
The whole speech was given in Poland where "Solidarity" order was given the "the big friend of Poland", Dzhimeljov.
Klicjko is now officially the mayor of Kiev:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/379447
Let's see how Maidan reacts to it...
Yanukovich, his sons, a number of officials and businessmen have filed a lawsuite with the European Court in the Luxembourg, protesting the legality of the sanctions:
http://www.utro.ru/articles/2014/06/03/1198875.shtml
Dniepropetrovs play the Wild West film script. They have set a bounty of $500,000 for capturing Carev.
http://russian.rt.com/article/34930
Yes, folks, that's half a million we are talking here. They obviously want to finish what Right Sector started, when they physically beat him out of the presidential run, as he, and not Poroshenko, was the favourite for the win.
Poroshenko reaffirmed the course towards Euro-integration:
During the same speech Poroshenko said that he is sure that "Crimea will be Ukrainian" and that "Ukraine will be together with Crimea"
http://www.interfax.ru/world/379454
Well, well, the the Euro-collision course has been confirmed. Now, where will the impact point be?
He must decide on one of the two:
Crimea will be Ukrainian = all 1.8 million Russians will be killed/deported
Ukraine will be together with Crimea = by that time, Crimea would have reached such high living standards, compared to Ukraine, that Ukraine will wish to join Crimea.
The whole speech was given in Poland where "Solidarity" order was given the "the big friend of Poland", Dzhimeljov.
Even Poland's GDP is greater than Ukraine and Kazakhstan's combined GDP.
Since Russia only has about $2T, I suppose Belarus will have to pick up the slack and supply the other $14T ~ $16T to be of comparable scale to the US and the EU.
Since Russia only has about $2T, I suppose Belarus will have to pick up the slack and supply the other $14T ~ $16T to be of comparable scale to the US and the EU.
I was talking about the military and the population. No where in the post I mentioned about the GDP.
You were talking about a trade union , and trading relates to the economy.
Now we're comparing the military?
Wow ,so this is the new varsovia pact that plans to have a military parade in berlin or a friendly trade union?
With only 1000 refugees to Crimea and none reported to eastern Russia , where did the rest go?
Majority of the refugees have arrived in Russia. Some have re-located to more peaceful areas of Donbass.
675,000 Ukrainians pour into Russia as ‘humanitarian crisis’ looms
http://rt.com/news/ukrainians-leave-russia-border-452/
I see that now they have no border pics , they seem to have learned from the last time when they showed imaged from the polish one ,.."by mistake".
This comment illustrates it best:
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Dirk from Kiev 02.04.2014 04:15
Erik Brask 06.03.2014 15:26
675 000 Ukrainians fleeing? Is that really really true
In that case it is a humanitarian disaster comparable with Syria. Anyone believes that? Anyone?
Nobody, not even RT, don't worry.
Erik Brask 06.03.2014 15:26
675 000 Ukrainians fleeing? Is that really really true
In that case it is a humanitarian disaster comparable with Syria. Anyone believes that? Anyone?Nobody, not even RT, don't worry.
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Denis Torchilo 04.03.2014 11:00
The fact that people believe this bull to be true is just mesmerizing!! This is freaking Russian propaganda at its finest. A Ukrainian would rather get repeatedly kicked in the nuts for an hour then have to live in a country such as Russia!
The fact that people believe this bull to be true is just mesmerizing!! This is freaking Russian propaganda at its finest. A Ukrainian would rather get repeatedly kicked in the nuts for an hour then have to live in a country such as Russia!
Ultimately, Yanukovych fell on his own sword because he was just too corrupt, which angered the average Ukrainian whose living situation was getting worse. And he made newbie mistakes, like threatening the Maidan protesters with 15 years jail -- that was never going to end well.
Please show me the line between corrupt and "too corrupt"?
Such phrase as "too corrupt" should not even exist.
Even Poland's GDP is greater than Ukraine and Kazakhstan's combined GDP.
Since Russia only has about $2T, I suppose Belarus will have to pick up the slack and supply the other $14T ~ $16T to be of comparable scale to the US and the EU.
Since Russia only has about $2T, I suppose Belarus will have to pick up the slack and supply the other $14T ~ $16T to be of comparable scale to the US and the EU.
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I was talking about the military and the population. No where in the post I mentioned about the GDP.
In the meantime, Poroshenko's inauguration is fast approaching. Russia is invited... on the level of the chargé d'affaires for Ukraine, Andrej Vorobjov:
http://www.forbes.ru/news/259153-na-inauguratsiyu-prezidenta-ukrainy-priglasili-vremennogo-poverennogo-rossii
Nice political move. Not.
http://www.forbes.ru/news/259153-na-inauguratsiyu-prezidenta-ukrainy-priglasili-vremennogo-poverennogo-rossii
Nice political move. Not.
Was it before or after he agreed to all points and signed the deal with EU and opposition?
Red herrings... I would call them stars-and-striped whales.
Red herrings... I would call them stars-and-striped whales.
What alarmed the CIA and NATO the most was Yanukovych's interest in the Eurasian Union. The addition of Ukraine would have made the Union state a formidable entity (addition of 46 million people, as well as huge tracts of agricultural land and thousands of heavy industries). But even without Ukraine, Eurasian Union will emerge as the no.1 rival of the USA in the near future.
Insignificant red herrings.
Ultimately, Yanukovych fell on his own sword because he was just too corrupt, which angered the average Ukrainian whose living situation was getting worse. And he made newbie mistakes, like threatening the Maidan protesters with 15 years jail -- that was never going to end well.
Ultimately, Yanukovych fell on his own sword because he was just too corrupt, which angered the average Ukrainian whose living situation was getting worse. And he made newbie mistakes, like threatening the Maidan protesters with 15 years jail -- that was never going to end well.
Was it before or after he agreed to all points and signed the deal with EU and opposition?
Red herrings... I would call them stars-and-striped whales.
With only 1000 refugees to Crimea and none reported to eastern Russia , where did the rest go?
Majority of the refugees have arrived in Russia. Some have re-located to more peaceful areas of Donbass.
675,000 Ukrainians pour into Russia as ‘humanitarian crisis’ looms
http://rt.com/news/ukrainians-leave-russia-border-452/
Russia volunteering humanitarian aid for the Ukraine is like a drug dealer volunteering to hand out some free needles at the needle exchange programme.
Already more than 1,000,000 people have fled their homes in the Donbass region. That corresponds to almost one-sixth of the population. The UN is ignoring this massive humanitarian crisis, as the NATO-backed troops are conducting all the atrocities. Russia has every right to deliver the humanitarian aid under these circumstances.
With only 1000 refugees to Crimea and none reported to eastern Russia , where did the rest go?
Lots of people have moved within the country. Slavjansk is largely evacuated. People move to relatives, friends.
If NATO is involved, it will be because surrounding countries who are part of NATO felt threatened by the Russian-paid forces that are causing trouble in the eastern parts of Ukraine.
It's like this:
1) Russia pays roubles for various extremists to buy guns and cause some shit in Ukraine.
2) Leaders in Kiev and in surrounding countries feel threatened by Russia's shit-stirring, so they get NATO assistance to un-shit the place.
3) Russia sends "Russia Today" and other respectable news agencies to film the shit they caused, and blame it all on NATO, or blame it all on Poroshenko, or the Maidan -- it doesn't matter who they blame it on, as long as everyone can see how great Russia is.
It's like this:
1) Russia pays roubles for various extremists to buy guns and cause some shit in Ukraine.
2) Leaders in Kiev and in surrounding countries feel threatened by Russia's shit-stirring, so they get NATO assistance to un-shit the place.
3) Russia sends "Russia Today" and other respectable news agencies to film the shit they caused, and blame it all on NATO, or blame it all on Poroshenko, or the Maidan -- it doesn't matter who they blame it on, as long as everyone can see how great Russia is.
You forgot
0) Pay Nuland, Saakashvili, Baiden, and other friends of Russia in roubles so that they remove the president of Ukraine.
Russia volunteering humanitarian aid for the Ukraine is like a drug dealer volunteering to hand out some free needles at the needle exchange programme.
Already more than 1,000,000 people have fled their homes in the Donbass region. That corresponds to almost one-sixth of the population. The UN is ignoring this massive humanitarian crisis, as the NATO-backed troops are conducting all the atrocities. Russia has every right to deliver the humanitarian aid under these circumstances.
With only 1000 refugees to Crimea and none reported to eastern Russia , where did the rest go?
Russia volunteering humanitarian aid for the Ukraine is like a drug dealer volunteering to hand out some free needles at the needle exchange programme.
Already more than 1,000,000 people have fled their homes in the Donbass region. That corresponds to almost one-sixth of the population. The UN is ignoring this massive humanitarian crisis, as the NATO-backed troops are conducting all the atrocities. Russia has every right to deliver the humanitarian aid under these circumstances.
And I though you did you homework on the gas wars history since 1992. you use backwards logic. No one forced Ukraine to each and every time demand cheaper gas. If they wanted to be independent, they should have taken the responsibility.
Poor Russia, how are they coping with Ukraine's bullying?
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