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legendary
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If they had any proof or even doubt about it being the result of some russian action, be sure that it would have hit all western newspaper's front pages. but yet nothing... they just burried it all.

I don't know where You live but I guess the more to the west You live the less You will hear about it. But there are is some info about it
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/08/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA370RU20140408


okay you are right, reuters and US politicians are known for their objectivity. Grin
i live in france and they just said over 30 persons were killed in odessa. our medias didnt specified from which side they were but each time its been pro-ukranians casualties they just kept on shouting it for days - well, except for this time.

anyho, im just saying thats not how you protect your citizens. if the new ukranian goverment cant federate shit then they arent legitimate and should leave it to more peaceful people. after all they just toke the power using violence. being from *the* country that invented the concept of modern revolution, i cant assure you that it's just not worth it. oh and you just can take a look at all the Middle east countries that recently experienced revolutions..... its fucked up there too. thank you USA and democracy. Grin (oh and US paid mercenaries and terrorists...)
legendary
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If they had any proof or even doubt about it being the result of some russian action, be sure that it would have hit all western newspaper's front pages. but yet nothing... they just burried it all.

I don't know where You live but I guess the more to the west You live the less You will hear about it. But there are is some info about it
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/08/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA370RU20140408
legendary
Activity: 1680
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Yes, because you need to remember who actually started seizing government buildings in the first place.

The... Uh... Pro-ukraine Ukrainians started seizing Ukrainian government buildings? What's wrong with that?


As for your history allegations. Your interpretation of Russian history is in complete discord with both Russian and Western historians.

It's only in discord with Russian historians, because Russia was the one who made it up. For example, why is it that the Golden Horde, which attacked and destroyed anyone who resisted them, attacked and destroyed Ukraine, but completely ignored Moscow for a hundred years? The only explanation, which actually has evidence to support it, is that the monarchy of Moscow acquiesced to and subjugated itself to the Hun. Russian origins are Mongolian, with the khanate controlling Moscow and what is now Russia for centuries, completely separate from Kievan Rus, which Moscow repeatedly attacked.
legendary
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Let people decide who they are, and where thye want to be. That should be the guiding principle.

You are right but the problem is that the current situation in Ukraine is a result of manipulations of Putin. The amount of propaganda being used in eastern regions of Ukraine is gigantic. People there are confused and don't know who to trust, also we need to remember that referendum should be made in time of peace to be legal.

manipulation or not, im litterraly shocked by those last events in odessa and co.. those so called pro-ukrainians are proper racist savages and people there are lucky to at least have someone trying to protect them from these thugs. no need trust, just look at who is being the most violent. fucking fucktards! its horrible! how can you ever trust the people setting a whole building on fire with ukranian citizens inside and shooting on sight whoever tries to escape the flames by jumping out of the windows? tssss they deserve fucking hell and i hope putin brings it on.
How do You know that these "pro-ukrainians" are really "pro-ukrainians"? When Crimea was being taken from Ukraine the armed men who supposedly where citizens of Crimea where probably Russian soldiers.

well the people that were burned alive, butchered or raped inside the building werent identified as pro-ukranians.

Again how do You know that? who was doing the identifications? how do You that the killers where not... lets say a Russian agents in disguise?


If they had any proof or even doubt about it being the result of some russian action, be sure that it would have hit all western newspaper's front pages. but yet nothing... they just burried it all.
legendary
Activity: 1400
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Let people decide who they are, and where thye want to be. That should be the guiding principle.

You are right but the problem is that the current situation in Ukraine is a result of manipulations of Putin. The amount of propaganda being used in eastern regions of Ukraine is gigantic. People there are confused and don't know who to trust, also we need to remember that referendum should be made in time of peace to be legal.

manipulation or not, im litterraly shocked by those last events in odessa and co.. those so called pro-ukrainians are proper racist savages and people there are lucky to at least have someone trying to protect them from these thugs. no need trust, just look at who is being the most violent. fucking fucktards! its horrible! how can you ever trust the people setting a whole building on fire with ukranian citizens inside and shooting on sight whoever tries to escape the flames by jumping out of the windows? tssss they deserve fucking hell and i hope putin brings it on.
How do You know that these "pro-ukrainians" are really "pro-ukrainians"? When Crimea was being taken from Ukraine the armed men who supposedly where citizens of Crimea where probably Russian soldiers.

well the people that were burned alive, butchered or raped inside the building werent identified as pro-ukranians.

Again how do You know that? who was doing the identifications? how do You that the killers where not... lets say a Russian agents in disguise?
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1002
Let people decide who they are, and where thye want to be. That should be the guiding principle.

You are right but the problem is that the current situation in Ukraine is a result of manipulations of Putin. The amount of propaganda being used in eastern regions of Ukraine is gigantic. People there are confused and don't know who to trust, also we need to remember that referendum should be made in time of peace to be legal.

manipulation or not, im litterraly shocked by those last events in odessa and co.. those so called pro-ukrainians are proper racist savages and people there are lucky to at least have someone trying to protect them from these thugs. no need trust, just look at who is being the most violent. fucking fucktards! its horrible! how can you ever trust the people setting a whole building on fire with ukranian citizens inside and shooting on sight whoever tries to escape the flames by jumping out of the windows? tssss they deserve fucking hell and i hope putin brings it on.
How do You know that these "pro-ukrainians" are really "pro-ukrainians"? When Crimea was being taken from Ukraine the armed men who supposedly where citizens of Crimea where probably Russian soldiers.

well for a start, the people that were burned alive, butchered or raped inside the building werent identified as pro-ukranians.
legendary
Activity: 1400
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Let people decide who they are, and where thye want to be. That should be the guiding principle.

You are right but the problem is that the current situation in Ukraine is a result of manipulations of Putin. The amount of propaganda being used in eastern regions of Ukraine is gigantic. People there are confused and don't know who to trust, also we need to remember that referendum should be made in time of peace to be legal.

manipulation or not, im litterraly shocked by those last events in odessa and co.. those so called pro-ukrainians are proper racist savages and people there are lucky to at least have someone trying to protect them from these thugs. no need trust, just look at who is being the most violent. fucking fucktards! its horrible! how can you ever trust the people setting a whole building on fire with ukranian citizens inside and shooting on sight whoever tries to escape the flames by jumping out of the windows? tssss they deserve fucking hell and i hope putin brings it on.
How do You know that these "pro-ukrainians" are really "pro-ukrainians"? When Crimea was being taken from Ukraine the armed men who supposedly where citizens of Crimea where probably Russian soldiers.
legendary
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The pro-federalization forces in Donetsk & Lugansk say that they will consider Putin's call to delay May 11th referendum. Say have "utmost respect" for Russian president - RTRS. So it seems like the referendum is postponed.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1002
Let people decide who they are, and where thye want to be. That should be the guiding principle.

You are right but the problem is that the current situation in Ukraine is a result of manipulations of Putin. The amount of propaganda being used in eastern regions of Ukraine is gigantic. People there are confused and don't know who to trust, also we need to remember that referendum should be made in time of peace to be legal.

manipulation or not, im litterraly shocked by those last events in odessa and co.. those so called pro-ukrainians are proper racist savages and people there are lucky to at least have someone trying to protect them from these thugs. no need trust, just look at who is being the most violent. fucking fucktards! its horrible! how can you ever trust the people setting a whole building on fire with ukranian citizens inside and shooting on sight whoever tries to escape the flames by jumping out of the windows? tssss they deserve fucking hell and i hope putin brings it on.
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1001
Let people decide who they are, and where thye want to be. That should be the guiding principle.

You are right but the problem is that the current situation in Ukraine is a result of manipulations of Putin. The amount of propaganda being used in eastern regions of Ukraine is gigantic. People there are confused and don't know who to trust, also we need to remember that referendum should be made in time of peace to be legal.
legendary
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How long a new Nation that separated from a another Nation can be called "the different people"?. For example South Korea and North Korea are also "the same people" but because of different political and social ideology they are not the same (not anymore at leas).

North Korea has been an independent country for longer than Ukraine, which is a separate state only since 1992. Tongue

The borders of present day Ukraine were decided by Soviet dictators: Lenin and Stalin. (The Hrushov blunder has already been rectified)

Let people decide who they are, and where thye want to be. That should be the guiding principle.
legendary
Activity: 3766
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US National Endowment for Democracy spent more than $900,000 in Moldova in 2012. Next Ukraine?

http://www.ned.org/fa/where-we-work/central-and-eastern-europe/moldova

Elections are due there in a few weeks.
legendary
Activity: 1400
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there are no differences between "russians" and "ukrainians", it's the same people

Yes, all historical sources dating back to the 9th century are indicating that the Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians are the same people. It's something really hard to dispute, not even the most ridiculous extreme modern historical revisionists dare to claim that they're not. They share Kievan Rus' as their common ancestry.

Which, of course, doesn't mean that they must stand under one flag, nor that the strongest state has some kind of natural right to rule the other two  Smiley

How long a new Nation that separated from a another Nation can be called "the different people"?. For example South Korea and North Korea are also "the same people" but because of different political and social ideology they are not the same (not anymore at leas).
legendary
Activity: 3766
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lol.. British blogger Graham W Phillips ([email protected] / grahamwphillips.com) tweets again, despite the threats by Right Sector that they will kill him if he does so:

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Outside church in centre of Slavyansk ask people what the future of Ukraine is, they shout 'Ukraine has no future'.

Meanwhile, other news from Ukraine:

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People bury Irina Boyevetz. 2 days ago, the 30-year-old woman was shot in the head by sniper fire while standing on her balcony.

Recent Tymoshenko blog, as her ex-son-in-law said she has a 'serious mental illness':

http://grahamwphillips.com/2014/03/31/sean-carrs-back-presidency-on-tymoshenko-mad/
legendary
Activity: 1680
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After Losing In Syria, Saudi Takfiri Mercenaries (Al Qaeda) Now Relocated To Ukraine Against ‘Pro-Russian’ Civilians

http://themadjewess.com/2014/05/06/after-losing-in-syria-saudi-takfiri-mercenaries-al-qaeda-now-relocated-to-ukraine-against-pro-russian-civilians

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"That happened to me this morning..  I was looking for something else and stumbled on the Jafria News.   It’s a Muslim site, published in English and full of news from the Muslim World..  As Muslims go, these guys seem pretty moderate, and not afraid to call terrorists what they are.. the whole post and story:  Al Qaeda moving forces to help Obama backed Ukrainian Government"



In other news:

Ukraine got the first packet of IMF loans in the size of 3,19 billion dollars on Tuesday:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/375204

Rada creates a committee to investigate Odessa massacre (officially 48 dead + 46 missing):
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1171222?utm_medium=rss20

Lavrov called the Odessa massacre for "pure fascism":
http://ria.ru/world/20140507/1006808531.html

SBU claims that they have located those financing the Odessa massacre:
http://ria.ru/world/20140507/1006835510.html
"There is a specific bank, tens of millions of cash, 4 people arrested, including bank officials..."
legendary
Activity: 3766
Merit: 1217
After Losing In Syria, Saudi Takfiri Mercenaries (Al Qaeda) Now Relocated To Ukraine Against ‘Pro-Russian’ Civilians

http://themadjewess.com/2014/05/06/after-losing-in-syria-saudi-takfiri-mercenaries-al-qaeda-now-relocated-to-ukraine-against-pro-russian-civilians

legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1005
★Nitrogensports.eu★
there are no differences between "russians" and "ukrainians", it's the same people

Yes, all historical sources dating back to the 9th century are indicating that the Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians are the same people. It's something really hard to dispute, not even the most ridiculous extreme modern historical revisionists dare to claim that they're not. They share Kievan Rus' as their common ancestry.

Which, of course, doesn't mean that they must stand under one flag, nor that the strongest state has some kind of natural right to rule the other two  Smiley

It is like saying that there is no difference between Germany and Austria. They speak the same language and are practically the same nation. And why there are so many muslim countries when all muslims are the same? One religion, one language similar beliefs?
sr. member
Activity: 334
Merit: 250
there are no differences between "russians" and "ukrainians", it's the same people

Yes, all historical sources dating back to the 9th century are indicating that the Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians are the same people. It's something really hard to dispute, not even the most ridiculous extreme modern historical revisionists dare to claim that they're not. They share Kievan Rus' as their common ancestry.

Which, of course, doesn't mean that they must stand under one flag, nor that the strongest state has some kind of natural right to rule the other two  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1014
Timoshenko promised a third round of revolution if she does not win this presidential elections:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1170086?utm_medium=rss20

 Cheesy

Turchinov announce partial mobilisation (didn't he announce full mobilisation before?)
http://www.bfm.ru/news/256887

Ah, they are going to confiscate transportation vehicles... again.



Public activists to sue Kiev regime in European rights court
http://rt.com/politics/156852-russia-ukraine-rights-lawsuit/

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One of the Public Chamber members, the head of the Civil Control NGO protecting the voters’ rights, Georgiy Fyodorov, has said that the group has already prepared a lawsuit against the Ukrainian authorities and intend to submit it to the European Court of Human Rights. In it they demand the Ukrainian leaders answer for their actions and their complicity be established in the attacks that killed dozens of peaceful anti-Maidan protesters in Odessa as well as other attacks against civilian protesters in eastern and south-eastern Ukraine.

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“Today, the rights of the bigger part of the Ukrainian population are not protected by anyone in this state. People get kidnapped and transported to undisclosed locations without any charges, people get robbed and killed without any prosecution for the criminals. The agencies responsible for the public order prefer not to act. The self-appointed government is instigating ethnic hatred and promoting the genocide of its own people,” the petition reads.



Ukraine to censor/check Russian TV programs on the topic of separatism:
http://ria.ru/world/20140506/1006739927.html
legendary
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Both sides bury dead as Ukraine slides towards war

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/05/06/uk-ukraine-crisis-idUKKBN0DL11J20140506

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In Kramatorsk, a separatist-held town in the east that saw an advance by Ukrainian troops at the weekend, the coffin of 21-year-old nurse Yulia Izotova was carried through streets stilled by barricades of tyres and tree trunks on Monday. Scattered red carnations traced the route. At the Holy Trinity Church, seven priests led mourners in prayer for a woman killed by large calibre bullets, which the townsfolk believe were fired by Ukrainian troops.
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