Merit & new rank requirements - page 32.

fillippone

legendary

Activity: 2268

Merit: 16328

Fully fledged Merit Cycler - Golden Feather 22-23

Quote from: RivAngE on May 23, 2019, 07:19:37 AM

Quote from: vfilchef on May 22, 2019, 11:15:28 AM

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on May 22, 2019, 11:26:44 AM

Looks like you’ve got quite a bit of reading and catching up to do … satoshi has 2016 merits, which are really totally irrelevant in the big picture of things, so how exactly are you on the same group?

You are on the other hand in a larger group of 2.591.651 existing accounts – 28.340 (earned) merited accounts = 2.563.311 accounts that have 0 earned merits …

Edit: Well, now you've abandoned the communards group and entered the group of those that have earned 2 merits or more: 17.419 accounts in that group. Quite a leap …

LOL this deserves a merit for making me laugh! Cheesy

Which by the way shows how vague the merit system is. Some posts are merited because they are funny, some because they are informative, some because they have a lot of effort put into them even though they might not be as useful, some because we agree with the content of the post which might be a hateful post against a coin we also happen to hate!

I had a pretty active week this time, and all I got was 2 merits? Man... I feel like this shit is getting harder and harder by the day!

Man, I tell you a secret: You can enjoy the forum without getting merits.
If you had a pretty active week and you got only 2 merit AND you complain, you have to blame yourself, not the merit system.
Otherwise, you should put more effort in what and how you write it, before calling the system vague.
Allow me a little bit of self promotion, that is my story, but actually it's full of other people out there with similar ones.

RivAngE

full member

Activity: 728

Merit: 169

What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on May 22, 2019, 11:26:44 AM

Quote from: vfilchef on May 22, 2019, 11:15:28 AM

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Looks like you’ve got quite a bit of reading and catching up to do … satoshi has 2016 merits, which are really totally irrelevant in the big picture of things, so how exactly are you on the same group?

You are on the other hand in a larger group of 2.591.651 existing accounts – 28.340 (earned) merited accounts = 2.563.311 accounts that have 0 earned merits …

Edit: Well, now you've abandoned the communards group and entered the group of those that have earned 2 merits or more: 17.419 accounts in that group. Quite a leap …

LOL this deserves a merit for making me laugh! Cheesy

Which by the way shows how vague the merit system is. Some posts are merited because they are funny, some because they are informative, some because they have a lot of effort put into them even though they might not be as useful, some because we agree with the content of the post which might be a hateful post against a coin we also happen to hate!

I had a pretty active week this time, and all I got was 2 merits? Man... I feel like this shit is getting harder and harder by the day!

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021

Quote from: vfilchef on May 22, 2019, 11:15:28 AM

Satoshi Nakamoto surely he is a newbie

~~satoshi: Founder and Sr. Member has 2016 Merit.~~
DdmrDdmr beat me to it while real life was ringing the door Tongue

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In my opinion, merit points must also be earned for each year from the registration of an account.

That's been discussed many times. Short summary: it won't happen.

That being said, based on your post history, you're not the kind of spammer for which the Merit system was introduced, so have some Merit

DdmrDdmr

legendary

Activity: 2338

Merit: 10802

There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain

Quote from: vfilchef on May 22, 2019, 11:15:28 AM

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Looks like you’ve got quite a bit of reading and catching up to do … satoshi has 2016 merits, which are really totally irrelevant in the big picture of things, so how exactly are you on the same group?

You are on the other hand in a larger group of 2.591.651 existing accounts – 28.340 (earned) merited accounts = 2.563.311 accounts that have 0 earned merits …

Edit: Well, now you've abandoned the communards group and entered the group of those that have earned 2 merits or more: 17.419 accounts in that group. Quite a leap …

vfilchef

jr. member

Activity: 58

Merit: 3

I had not written in the forum for a long time, and I was surprised to be a newbie again Grin

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This system for me is a bullshit and serves the group of spammers in the forum and the group of old users is lost - Satoshi Nakamoto surely he is a newbie and I am proud to be in a group with him Grin

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In my opinion, merit points must also be earned for each year from the registration of an account.

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Update:

Time series plots:

(1) Intra-day merits:
Full dataset:

Truncated dataset:

(2) Merits over days of week:
Outliers displayed as red circles.

Outliers non-displayed.

(3) Median and interquartile range of intra-day merits over weeks

(4) Intra-week merits:

For more details, please get them there:
Time Series Analysis on Distributed Merits in the forum (daily, weekly, monthly)
Observation on interquartile range of intra-day merits with time series plot

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: bakasabo on May 15, 2019, 03:10:01 AM

Animated flying hearts, maybe, then the forum will look like a kindergarten. We might see flying-broken-heart overuse in Ban Appeals.
After disable Animated avartars and other things like user stats, will theymos do such funny and annoying thing?

bakasabo

legendary

Activity: 2492

Merit: 1215

Quote from: tranthidung on May 13, 2019, 05:08:28 PM

Additionally, why not suggest sendable Likes ~ sLikes. Then we will have another supplementary Likes and sendable Likes for merit and sMerits.
10 likes ~ 1 merits
10 likes ~ 5 sendable likes that can be sent to another user ~ giving them 0.5 merit (10 likes ~ 1 merit as suggested)
Then the cycle will repeat and likely abused.

Like and Merit buttons will overlap each other, and why do we have to correlate Likes with Merits? Once again, I don't see reasons to have Like button. Tongue

I'm afraid that will turn forum from serious crypto related into decent interest forum. First will be likes, then hearts and broken hearts will introduced.

And in nearest future stickers would appear on the forum (plus some of them will be for extra money)

(Stickers like this)

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: slocker on May 15, 2019, 02:31:00 AM

If this is considering to be option, then my opinions on this that this forum will become something like Facebook Instagram or twitter with this like button. This will only bring little mess on this. Consider this many who use Instagram knows that you give like button most of the time just by looking and accidentally pressing it. This could be very easily abused even more then merit system, and if comes to that that certain number of likes get merit then it will be very hard to track all this.

If Bitcointalk.org becomes a social media platform, like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, the Like button might be added.
However:
Why do we actually need another substitute of merit whilst merit fullfils its function very well so far?
Who will manage the coming Like Button? (Mods already are very busy with their works, and I believe they don't want to see another worlkloads from Like button).

slocker

full member

Activity: 490

Merit: 134

Quote from: tranthidung on May 13, 2019, 04:39:40 PM

Three question:
- Why do we need the Like button?
- What are differences between Like button and Merit button?
- Is the Like Button easier to abuse than Merit Button?

Quote from: fillippone on May 13, 2019, 11:28:50 AM

Example: 10 Like = 1 Merit

Personally, the Like button purpose is the same as Merit button, but it is easier to abuse, so I don't support the idea.

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Your proposal is very simple and effective.
I think some similar proposal must have been considered by Theymos, but not put in production in the end.
So you are not proposing a improvement, but only supporting a previously discarded inferior option.

If this is considering to be option, then my opinions on this that this forum will become something like Facebook Instagram or twitter with this like button. This will only bring little mess on this. Consider this many who use Instagram knows that you give like button most of the time just by looking and accidentally pressing it. This could be very easily abused even more then merit system, and if comes to that that certain number of likes get merit then it will be very hard to track all this.

btcsmlcmnr

full member

Activity: 546

Merit: 159

Quote from: LoyceV on May 15, 2019, 01:12:02 AM

I think theymos took the opportunity to process new Merit source applications, there are now 130 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 20605 sMerit per 30 days.
One of them is Coolcryptovator.

Yes, 123 merit sources remain unchanged for months, and now we see a bull run of merit sources in the forum, that nearly occured simultaneously with bitcoin bull run, and permanent ban bull run. Consequently, we might see a trend of merit source applications come back soon. Origninally, I wrote my suggestion here, but after minutes of rethinking, I decided to create a topic for this suggestion.

Quote from: btcsmlcmnr on May 15, 2019, 02:19:49 AM

Due to LoyceV updated today:

Quote from: LoyceV on May 15, 2019, 01:12:02 AM

I think theymos took the opportunity to process new Merit source applications, there are now 130 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 20605 sMerit per 30 days.
One of them is Coolcryptovator.

It means that there are 8 new merit sources added hours ago. For now, I don't know who are new sources, only one mentioned by LoyceV is Coolcryptovator; and theymos actually has never had intention to disclose who are sources. Over next few weeks, we surely can discover new sources by ourselves.
Can I raise my suggestion that all merit source applications that get acceptance from theymos with this wave of adding 7 or 8 new merit sources should lock their merit source applications, since today. I am sure that all merit source applicants actually replied in the topic, so whenever you see my post, please consider about my suggestion, because I don't want to dump Meta board with the new thread and give spammers places to spam, in the topic, and in all accepted merit sources applications.

Locked!

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021

If I remember correctly, there were 123 Merit sources yesterday. One dropped out:

Quote from: Vod on May 14, 2019, 10:34:33 PM

Theymos has responded to my request to be removed as a merit source. No more working for free.

I think theymos took the opportunity to process new Merit source applications, there are now 130 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 20605 sMerit per 30 days.
One of them is Coolcryptovator.

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Additionally, why not suggest sendable Likes ~ sLikes. Then we will have another supplementary Likes and sendable Likes for merit and sMerits.
10 likes ~ 1 merits
10 likes ~ 5 sendable likes that can be sent to another user ~ giving them 0.5 merit (10 likes ~ 1 merit as suggested)
Then the cycle will repeat and likely abused.

Like and Merit buttons will overlap each other, and why do we have to correlate Likes with Merits? Once again, I don't see reasons to have Like button. Tongue

TryNinja

legendary

Activity: 2758

Merit: 6830

Quote from: tranthidung on May 13, 2019, 04:39:40 PM

Three question:
- Why do we need the Like button?

I believe it would be some kind of “simpler” merit. Like posts you agree/like, think it’s funny, etc.. not necessarily HQ posts but not spam.

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- What are differences between Like button and Merit button?

If 10 likes = 1 merit (I wouldn’t agree with giving merit for likes if they’re unlimited/free for everyone), then likes are a lighter kind of reward or way to show that you agree with the post.

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- Is the Like Button easier to abuse than Merit Button?

If it’s unlimited or we give to everybody and they can turn into merit, then yes. Anything that can be used by multi-accounts can easily be abused.

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Personally, the Like button purpose is the same as Merit button, but it is easier to abuse, so I don't support the idea.

Your proposal is very simple and effective.
I think some similar proposal must have been considered by Theymos, but not put in production in the end.
So you are not proposing a improvement, but only supporting a previously discarded inferior option.

Yeah, that was the first idea given by a few members before the merit system. There is no way theymos is going to add a like system when the merit system is already out.

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Three question:
- Why do we need the Like button?
- What are differences between Like button and Merit button?
- Is the Like Button easier to abuse than Merit Button?

Quote from: fillippone on May 13, 2019, 11:28:50 AM

Example: 10 Like = 1 Merit

Personally, the Like button purpose is the same as Merit button, but it is easier to abuse, so I don't support the idea.

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Your proposal is very simple and effective.
I think some similar proposal must have been considered by Theymos, but not put in production in the end.
So you are not proposing a improvement, but only supporting a previously discarded inferior option.

fillippone

legendary

Activity: 2268

Merit: 16328

Fully fledged Merit Cycler - Golden Feather 22-23

Quote from: tspmhack6 on May 13, 2019, 10:29:21 AM

Indeed to receive Merit, there should be quality contributions. So I think why we don't have the "Like" button. Based on the number of Likes, up to one limit the quality of the post user will receive Merit.
Example: 10 Like = 1 Merit
What do you think about that idea?

Your proposal is very simple and effective.
I think some similar proposal must have been considered by Theymos, but not put in production in the end.
So you are not proposing a improvement, but only supporting a previously discarded inferior option.

JayJuanGee

legendary

Activity: 3892

Merit: 11105

Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

Quote from: tspmhack6 on May 13, 2019, 10:29:21 AM

Indeed to receive Merit, there should be quality contributions. So I think why we don't have the "Like" button. Based on the number of Likes, up to one limit the quality of the post user will receive Merit.
Example: 10 Like = 1 Merit
What do you think about that idea?

Seems to me that you are mentally fighting the existing system and the direction that this forum has chosen to take.

The forum is not going to go down the path of either unlimited "likes" or some other untethered mechanism to allow any account to earn "merits" because such unfetteredness has already proven problematic, so the current merit system is an attempt to get a handle on the unfetteredness that comes from farmed accounts.

In other words, your proposal is not going to go anywhere because it fails/refuses to attempt to address actual issues and motivations behind the current merit system.

Quote from: Halab on May 13, 2019, 11:11:03 AM

Quote from: tspmhack6 on May 13, 2019, 10:29:21 AM

What do you think about that idea?

Certainly already proposed many times and too easy to abuse by creating an army of alt accounts.
Deal with it, the merit system in its current form is the least worst solution against spam.

Hahahahaha...

More or less Halab beat me to it.... Wink

Halab

staff

Activity: 2408

Merit: 2021

I find your lack of faith in Bitcoin disturbing.

Quote from: tspmhack6 on May 13, 2019, 10:29:21 AM

What do you think about that idea?

Certainly already proposed many times and too easy to abuse by creating an army of alt accounts.
Deal with it, the merit system in its current form is the least worst solution against spam.

tspmhack6

jr. member

Activity: 420

Merit: 1

Indeed to receive Merit, there should be quality contributions. So I think why we don't have the "Like" button. Based on the number of Likes, up to one limit the quality of the post user will receive Merit.
Example: 10 Like = 1 Merit
What do you think about that idea?

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: erikalui on May 13, 2019, 07:27:16 AM

I noticed that since merits given cannot be removed, the merits given for topics that have been deleted also exist in the user's account. Since such deleted posts get deducted from the post count, shouldn't the merits given for such posts also be deducted?

Only serious merit abused cases will see actions of theymos (admin) to revert abused merits. However, in such cases, negative number of merits will be shown. I knew there is one merit source removed months ago with reversion of all merit abusements related to that source.

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