Topic: Mixers to be banned - page 5. (Read 23006 times)

1. Is Jambler holding all the funds, or is the Partner Mixer? and partner mixer is responsible for mixing the coins?
2. I am learning to code right now and don't have the knowledge of how affiliate node works but i can only guess "and others may correct me if i am wrong"
    Do these affiliate nodes reward Partner Mixers or Jambler? (Jamber gets the percent commissions or the Mixing partner?)


Other mixers who are using Jambler have identical PGP, I think Jamble is doing the mixing and using other Mixers like MixTum as the front-end "Correct me if I am wrong here"

Aah the United States… the big country on a big continent full of British, African and Spanish prisoners/criminals…

https://mises.org/free-market/founding-fathers-smugglers-tax-evaders-and-traitors

Where are we running to next? Another planet?

Elon???

No, nowhere to run this time. Either there will be a huge civil war and people who demand freedom will fuck these retards up or… we will suck it up like we have always been doing for the last 100 years

I still do not see the presence of mixers on the forum as a violation of the law.

Kucoin founders were recently indicted for not having KYC implemented. Is this an alarm for theymos to start banning all no-KYC services from the forum?
As far as I know, Kucoin is much more important in the crypto ecosystem than the mixers that caused the ban decision.

This forum is slowly turning into Gamblingtalk.


Aren't all money transfers over $10k, regardless of origin and whether cash or crypto under the radar of federal authorities?

You mean this statement: I intend to ignore all stupidity coming out of the EUSSR?


That sounds like an impossible law to follow. You have a Bitcoin address in your profile. Anyone can send you $15000, and you'll have no way to find out who it was. Then what? It's the digital equivalent of throwing a pile of money in the mailbox of a random house.

Clarification of what? Which doesn't exist?

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Right now, options for getting a client as sig camp manager is limited to casino mostly. If mixer wasn't banned, we would have one more industry as a campaign manager. If Jambler was classified as allowed, we would have one more industry and it would potentially bring us clients (be it me, icopress, Royse, yahoo or Hhampuz or any other campaign manager).

The mental gymnastics to try and differentiate Jambler and Wasabi’s use of blockchain analysis and blacklisting is unnecessary. Jambler isn’t acting in a morally superior way, it’s always been about trying to cover their ass from regulators. You admitted this already.


The only real difference between them is that with custodial mixers your coins can be stolen, your activity may be logged, and the mixer can link your post-mix outputs to your prior history.

Well, I think it's not bad to have clarified it, as I'm sure I wasn't the only one who was thinking of you.


I do believe that he would have to abide. When you offer services to the people of a country you have to abide by the laws of that country even if you are not headquartered there.

the law in question for the usa went into effect Jan 1st this year.

it is federal law and is a felony to receive 10000 usd worth of any crypto without reporting full kyc to the feds.

So any usa person using a mixer and receiving $10,000 usd worth of coin would need full disclosure from the sender of the coin.

It is very likely why bitcointalk is not advertising mixers.

I ended my mining in clifton due to the new laws. we earned 19000 four way spilt in Dec 2023.

under new 2024 laws I would have been subject to  much stricter reporting laws. thus the mining ending.

I certainly would think not every mixer will give its kyc to the receiver of the mixed coins thus Theymos decided it is in the best interest of bitcointalk to not promote mixers.

to further explain the problem. oh 10000 rule for one tranaction.  I will do 2500+2500+2500+2500

that would quadruple the law breaker as they will say you did four moves in 4 days to avoid the 10,000 rule


https://www.anaford.com/articles/new-crypto-reporting

the law was passed in 2021 but is getting inforced  starting Jan 1 2024.

Even worse the exact reporting procedure is yet to be released by the IRS.


Ie what is a legit amount that repeats and adds to beyond 10,000 but is not reported.

Ie 1200 a month for 10 months is 12 grand but really spread out. very likely okay.

1200 a day for 10 days is 12 grand but not spread out very likely not okay.

So You used jambler over and over maybe always under 1000 but a lot when did you start breaking the 10000 rule. Right now no one knows. Maybe they do full guidelines and the issue ends.

Dude. That helping-yourself-to-airdrops thing stunk up your reputation bad. You went behind theymos' back and used the coins that you were entrusted with for personal gain; I'm not talking about the minor forkcoins you were gifted, I'm talking about the airdrops that you somehow concluded you were personally entitled to. If at any point you said something along the lines of: "You know what? That was actually wrong of me, and I'm sorry that I did that.", then, I think more people would take you seriously. (If you have already apologized, and I missed that, then please accept my apology for still giving you shit about it, but all I've ever read about it from you has been the insistence that you did nothing wrong.)

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On-topic: In the context of the existing mixer ban, I think theymos made the right call here. Technically, Jambler is doing the mixing, not the partner site(s). If you read their FAQ, 2.6 states (emphasis mine): "Jambler.io conducts and provides all financial transactions, for this reason a letter of guarantee is issued by the platform itself."; the fact that their model makes you interact with their backend through a third party, doesn't really change anything. I mean, it's a bummer, and I hate this the-cypherpunks-won-the-battle-but-lost-the-war road that Bitcointalk seems to be heading down, but, yeah, it is what it is... (It's not like theymos can thumb his nose at the regulators and the ongoing crackdown on privacy; decisions made long ago mean that Bitcointalk's whole technical and legal setup is too fragile to withstand a conflict of that nature.)

This forum is hosted in the US if I'm not mistaken, and at the time of Theymos's first statement that you referenced he hadn't yet been challenged/intimidated/whatever by any government as of yet.  But you only really know how one is going to react in a stressful situation once that situation happens.  Before that, it's all talk.

Plus I don't think Theymos would have to abide by anything the EU decreed.  Not that Europe and the US don't cooperate, but whatever.  This whole situation is just frustrating.

Don't make a wild guess, specially when it can create a chaos. I don't care what theymos is allowing here or not (I'll just follow the rules). It's theymos's forum and icopress's business, none of my business. That's how I think.
I never had a discussion about Jambler with Royse. We discussed about strategies to get sig campaigns. I asked for same kind of suggestion from yahoo62278, Hhampuz and julerz.

I dont like controversy. Besides, I have worked with both Royse and Gazeta. It was a nice experience. Regardless of my trades with Royse and Gazeta, we talked a lot about lots of other things but no dirty forum discussion.

you need to look at it in terms of US Law. Bitcointalk and theymos is subject to US Law.  


Jambler aids and abets a mixer = fact

if bitcointalk aids and abets Jambler they could be charged with US federal law violations.

Best case I can explain it with is this article

 https://www.hrw.org/report/2013/12/05/offer-you-cant-refuse/how-us-federal-prosecutors-force-drug-defendants-plead


it is about federal crimes mostly drugs ,but read the techniques the government used against people.

Theymos does not want any part of this.

I can't say that I blame him in the least.

@logfiles (good name) yep we are living in 1984 pretty much.


What I like is :
all audio
all images
all video
can be Ai'd should be considered Ai'd and not 'real'

A great way to live is it not.

Matrix coming up soon.

A good example is those platforms under Meta group, specifically Facebook and Instagram. Back in the day, when you took long without logging in and then one time you decided to log in or even tried to change a password. It was as simple as sending a verification code to your email. Not any more today, you will sometimes be asked for your National ID or video selfie or something along those lines to just get your password reset 

A pathetic era we live in.

Jambler is presented primarily as an investment platform already. And I don't think it would be appropriate to play a cat-and-mouse game with the admin. If he doesn't like something, the forum is his. Be it mixers, investment platforms, or perhaps decentralized protocols which I predict is the next target if his actions are highly influenced by state actors.

I'm wondering. The analysis that triggered this theymos decision could have looked quite different. If Jambler there was presented primarily as an investment platform, would that make him suitable for a forum in addition to being a secondary activity of mixing Bitcoins?

I still maintain that the mixer ban is a long-term bad decision for the forum.

If this isnt campaign manager war declaration than I dont know what is, and you know this is not going to end up good for anyone

I dont think that Jambler is a mixer but admin already made up his mind and it is done business.
When I see members who joined together to talk with theymos it makes me puke  

You don't surprise me
But apparently I am surprised that for some minions there is always a way for trolling, even it was clarified by theymos that we can not advertise Jambler type mixers too. If it was allowed then you would see some more mixers with new branding (new name and cosmetic change) showing up in the forum. Umblar, Mumblar, meblar etc.

As if we haven't had enough of the century lasting OG&Vod fight, now we will have to read Ico&R7 fight on every god daym topic.

https://youtu.be/i4HMsbcSV80?t=19

I discussed it publicly.  Granted, I was attacked for it the same way I was attacked when I told people ChipMixer was about to be shut down, but people here love to shoot the messenger.  However, Ogstradamus remains undefeated.  Sort of makes you wonder if the rest of the stuff I say that people immediately try to dismiss is worth taking a closer look at...  Probably not.  The Default Trust network is just fine...  I wonder if tackling extortion is on the to-do list now that money laundering appears to be taken care of.

Both perform blockchain analysis. The difference is that Wasabi performs and funds blockchain analysis for "the sake of the children", whereas Jambler does it to ensure the investors won't cheat and earn from their investments.