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Quote from: tokeweed on December 20, 2022, 09:56:37 AM

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Ferrari are claiming that they are back in their old strength again now. They are saying that they have the fastest car on the grid once again. I have heard about another thing also like they had to cut the power of the engine by a significant percent and this held them back from fighting with Red Bull at the same level.

Maybe they are saying the truth about winning their real power back now. We saw an example of it at the beginning of this season in the end. They were very promising. The only thing they need to do this time is to keep consistency. They need to work with better workers to have a season with minimum amount of problems. If we see them having durability issues again it would be a really big disappointment.

They're 'old strength' again now? And how can that really be when their best engineer has already resigned. People seem to forget that Binotto was the guy who has done a lot of the work on Ferrari's title winning cars with Michael Schumacher. I think to really get their old strength back, the Ferrari F1 board should go to Binotto then grovel and plead for him to work with them again because if he goes to another team with money, say McLaren, then the rest better watch out.

I really don't know how they can get their strength back in such a short time. I know that they have been working on their car but I don't think they have made that much improvement yet. Because they have newly replaced Binotto with Vasseur. They will need some time for him to start applying the plans in his mind with his crew.

Ferrari still have quite much time until the launch of their new season car. I don't know if they would show anything about the power of the car. Maybe we would barely be able to see it by the beginning of testing sessions. They need to give the best car they can to Leclerc and Sainz this time.

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Mercedes turned on the engine of the new car.

Here the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aHf3RrVbyU

It is almost time for a new season.

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Ferrari are trying to make us hyped about them again but I don't know. Grin

I was fascinated with their great start to the previous season but they failed hard later on. Of course there are some changes happening in the team finally. Let's see how much Vasseur will be successful with his new crew. This is an important step forward because the old crew were really horrible. Neither in pit nor about the development of the car they were doing a good work. Now there is hope for Ferrari fans. Ferrari need to get back to their strength at the beginning of the previous season at least. Even that might not be enough because Red Bull and Mercedes will be improving their car much more until the start of the new season.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 22, 2022, 09:57:29 AM

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Almost time for the new season Cheesy

Source:https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1605896553582907392

It is very interesting to see this new car from Ferarri, because this is the first car launch under the leadership of Frederic Vasseur and it seems that there are several things that are different and have been improved by Vasseur. And moreover Ferarri has improvised several parts of their car such as increasing speed by improve aerodynamic efficiency and tire management and degradation. It will be very interesting to see the competition from the Ferrari team in the coming season.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 22, 2022, 09:57:29 AM

Valentine's day.

Almost time for the new season Cheesy

Source:https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1605896553582907392

Hah yeah! By the time it's January with all the schedules for testing and the unveiling come out, it will def feel like the new season has come again. So good for us and let's hope it's not going to be a boring season. Rooting for Toto Wolff to make it more challenging for Red Bull. Grin

Anyway, just went to browse a bit for some F1 news and it seems like the trust issues between Verstappen and Perez won't go away. I couldn't blame Verstappen after what Perez did to him at Monaco. And if this keeps going on next season, I think we might see our favorite Aussie get the second seat come 2024..? I wouldn't mind VER - RIC tbh.

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Valentine's day.

Almost time for the new season Cheesy

Source:https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1605896553582907392

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Quote from: blue Snow on December 22, 2022, 01:54:39 AM

Quote from: Luzin on December 19, 2022, 09:52:14 AM

I just read that in motoGP there will be a Sprint Race. This format will take effect in the 2023 season. So In one series the driver will have 2 races. Sprint race on Saturday and Regular race on Sunday. In this Sprint race, drivers will get half the points from the regular race. So there will be 37 points if the driver can win in that one series.
Looks interesting or will it be boring? I don't really like this decision. I think indeed the championship competition will be more open but the drivers will expend more energy. Maybe the injury will be greater.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/08/20/sprint-races-to-be-introduced-at-all-grands-prix-from-2023/431993

The operator tries to improve the race and tries to get many sponsors by making it be 2 races, but as we know on Saturday is usually a qualification race for starting grid, so if have sprint race happens at the next event, maybe the qualification race will be a shift to the previous day. This looks interesting, and we have to prepare our money because maybe we can see the next sports book adding a sprint race in the bet.

I don't know what to make of it yet either, it will probably be like Formula 1:

Friday

Free practice (60 minutes)
Qualifying (FP(4), Q1, Q2)

Saturday

Free practice (60 minutes)
Sprint race (half distance)

Sunday

WarmUp
Grand Prix (Full Distance)

I think it will be introduced once at 2 races as a trial, basically I don't think it's good the teams and pilots simply have too little time to set up the bike.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 20, 2022, 10:12:47 AM

I would love to see Leclerc at Mercedes.I don't like him personally as a driver but this year he showed great skill and performance in those races where Ferrari had the upper edge.Beautiful battle in Silverstone between three drivers and one of them was Leclerc,he won in Austria with the gas pedal not working at all and a few more good deeds by him.

At Mercedes I doubt they have first and second driver but they choose one based on the results of the start of the season,they can't have first driver Russell if for example Hamilton wins the first three races.

Yup, I wouldn't mind seeing it happen too. He's a good driver that hasn't reached his full potential yet because Ferrari has been sucking in strategy and execution as of late. Vettel has a high opinion of him as a driver, even wrote him a note saying so when Vettel left Ferrari. I don't get why everybody hated Vettel when he was winning with Red Bull and saying he's not a fast driver. If that was true then why couldn't Webber beat him during quali or the race? People seem to forget there are two driver, not one. Lol.

And Merc would prolly have no defined first or second driver if it was Leclerc - Russell. Other than that, it's Russell as first driver... Blimey.

George Russel is the biggest reason why they couldn't possibly get Charles as their second driver after Hamilton retires, first of all I am guessing that there is as long as 3 to 5 seasons Hamilton could still race, and that means it is not going to be easy to replace him, the racer that could replace him may not be even in f2 right now let alone in f1 because by the time Hamilton retires, George would be winning races for them, and Charles would be settled in nicely with Ferrari.

I am guessing that Charles-George duo would cause them as much headache as Nico vs Hamilton year, and that is why I doubt that they would repeat that mistake ever again and instead get a clear second driver for Russell.

Just three years tops after his current contract imho. There have been talks swirling around of his retirement that goes on and off every year. I think the next one is gonna be the real one after 2023 and his next contract will be his last. As a driver gets older, his reflexes start getting slower. Teams don't want this in F1 as the driver will be prone to accidents. We were starting to see it with Raikonnen. He wasn't getting into a lot of accidents but there were times in the onboard cams, they showed how late his reaction times were.

Anyway, I guess hext season we'll be having Red Bull - Mercedes - Ferrari? I can't imagine Ferrari fighting for podiums consistently under their new principal and technical team...

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Quote from: Luzin on December 19, 2022, 09:52:14 AM

I just read that in motoGP there will be a Sprint Race. This format will take effect in the 2023 season. So In one series the driver will have 2 races. Sprint race on Saturday and Regular race on Sunday. In this Sprint race, drivers will get half the points from the regular race. So there will be 37 points if the driver can win in that one series.
Looks interesting or will it be boring? I don't really like this decision. I think indeed the championship competition will be more open but the drivers will expend more energy. Maybe the injury will be greater.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/08/20/sprint-races-to-be-introduced-at-all-grands-prix-from-2023/431993

The operator tries to improve the race and tries to get many sponsors by making it be 2 races, but as we know on Saturday is usually a qualification race for starting grid, so if have sprint race happens at the next event, maybe the qualification race will be a shift to the previous day. This looks interesting, and we have to prepare our money because maybe we can see the next sports book adding a sprint race in the bet.

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Quote from: tokeweed on December 21, 2022, 03:22:40 AM

Quote from: swogerino on December 20, 2022, 10:12:47 AM

I would love to see Leclerc at Mercedes.I don't like him personally as a driver but this year he showed great skill and performance in those races where Ferrari had the upper edge.Beautiful battle in Silverstone between three drivers and one of them was Leclerc,he won in Austria with the gas pedal not working at all and a few more good deeds by him.

At Mercedes I doubt they have first and second driver but they choose one based on the results of the start of the season,they can't have first driver Russell if for example Hamilton wins the first three races.

Yup, I wouldn't mind seeing it happen too. He's a good driver that hasn't reached his full potential yet because Ferrari has been sucking in strategy and execution as of late. Vettel has a high opinion of him as a driver, even wrote him a note saying so when Vettel left Ferrari. I don't get why everybody hated Vettel when he was winning with Red Bull and saying he's not a fast driver. If that was true then why couldn't Webber beat him during quali or the race? People seem to forget there are two driver, not one. Lol.

And Merc would prolly have no defined first or second driver if it was Leclerc - Russell. Other than that, it's Russell as first driver... Blimey.

George Russel is the biggest reason why they couldn't possibly get Charles as their second driver after Hamilton retires, first of all I am guessing that there is as long as 3 to 5 seasons Hamilton could still race, and that means it is not going to be easy to replace him, the racer that could replace him may not be even in f2 right now let alone in f1 because by the time Hamilton retires, George would be winning races for them, and Charles would be settled in nicely with Ferrari.

I am guessing that Charles-George duo would cause them as much headache as Nico vs Hamilton year, and that is why I doubt that they would repeat that mistake ever again and instead get a clear second driver for Russell.

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Quote from: retreat on December 21, 2022, 12:21:47 AM

Quote from: darewaller on December 18, 2022, 04:51:21 PM

This year we have Ricciardio for Red Bull reserve, and Mick for Mercedes reserves, those are F1 drivers who already raced and proven themselves, why would they get reserve drivers at that level and not some young one? I understand maybe Mick is young but is he really a future Mercedes driver level? Doubt that.

You can see that Ricciardio's performance in the last few races has dropped quite a bit and he admits that. He even said that he was quite glad not to be offered a seat on Red Bull's top team, because he also admitted that there were still many things he wanted to improve in the upcoming season.

I admit that Ricciardio is a potential driver and has the opportunity to be able to compete with other drivers, but it seems that he is no longer eager to compete in future races because his performance continues to get worse and it is better for him to be able to stop for a while and fix his many shortcomings in future races.

Ricciardo age is not young anymore,if I remember correctly he started in a USA track,most likely it was Indianapolis and that was more than ten years ago from now,so I don't understand how he can say that he would not want a top seat in the Redbull team now that they are at the peak of their performance.I think Ricciardo was forced to say that because he already knew that seats were already taken for the next season,so his only chance is 2024 or even 2025 if he can wait that long and Perez does not show a good performance during such seasons.

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Quote from: Luzin on December 19, 2022, 09:52:14 AM

I just read that in motoGP there will be a Sprint Race. This format will take effect in the 2023 season. So In one series the driver will have 2 races. Sprint race on Saturday and Regular race on Sunday. In this Sprint race, drivers will get half the points from the regular race. So there will be 37 points if the driver can win in that one series.
Looks interesting or will it be boring? I don't really like this decision. I think indeed the championship competition will be more open but the drivers will expend more energy. Maybe the injury will be greater.

I don't think so, The sprint race will be eliminating FP4 as the time to did FP4 will be dedicated for the FP4 but i think that the racers need to divide its concentration into the two stage. The sprint race will give half of points from the main race but im sure that will give a huge impact to the racer. The decision already taken to attract more interest from veiwers but i don't even think if sprint race will give significant impact to the demand of motogp.
It may make the main race become boring.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 20, 2022, 10:12:47 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on December 20, 2022, 09:56:37 AM

Schumacher could be driver no. 2 if Mercedes commits with Russell to be their first driver. I don't think Merc could acquire Verstappen or Norris as they both have long term contracts with their teams. They could tempt Leclerc away from Ferrari tho.

I would love to see Leclerc at Mercedes.I don't like him personally as a driver but this year he showed great skill and performance in those races where Ferrari had the upper edge.Beautiful battle in Silverstone between three drivers and one of them was Leclerc,he won in Austria with the gas pedal not working at all and a few more good deeds by him.

At Mercedes I doubt they have first and second driver but they choose one based on the results of the start of the season,they can't have first driver Russell if for example Hamilton wins the first three races.

Yup, I wouldn't mind seeing it happen too. He's a good driver that hasn't reached his full potential yet because Ferrari has been sucking in strategy and execution as of late. Vettel has a high opinion of him as a driver, even wrote him a note saying so when Vettel left Ferrari. I don't get why everybody hated Vettel when he was winning with Red Bull and saying he's not a fast driver. If that was true then why couldn't Webber beat him during quali or the race? People seem to forget there are two driver, not one. Lol.

And Merc would prolly have no defined first or second driver if it was Leclerc - Russell. Other than that, it's Russell as first driver... Blimey.

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Quote from: darewaller on December 18, 2022, 04:51:21 PM

This year we have Ricciardio for Red Bull reserve, and Mick for Mercedes reserves, those are F1 drivers who already raced and proven themselves, why would they get reserve drivers at that level and not some young one? I understand maybe Mick is young but is he really a future Mercedes driver level? Doubt that.

You can see that Ricciardio's performance in the last few races has dropped quite a bit and he admits that. He even said that he was quite glad not to be offered a seat on Red Bull's top team, because he also admitted that there were still many things he wanted to improve in the upcoming season.

I admit that Ricciardio is a potential driver and has the opportunity to be able to compete with other drivers, but it seems that he is no longer eager to compete in future races because his performance continues to get worse and it is better for him to be able to stop for a while and fix his many shortcomings in future races.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on December 20, 2022, 04:12:08 PM

Verstappen made a comment about F1 drivers again and his target was clearly Perez of course. He said that some drivers should know their place and accept that they are not better than their teammates. He gave Bottas as an example as well. He really didn't make difficulties for Hamilton much in general. He accepted being the second driver and obeyed by team calls nearly all the time. Verstappen is clearly expecting Perez to do the same not to have in-team problems. We all know how ambitious Verstappen is so he might make this a big problem.

This discussion will create a lot of controversy between the two in 2023. Verstappen's reports demonstrate that his friendship with his teammate is definitely over.

Perez is quite confused, I think. On the one hand he has the feeling that he is definitely better than Verstappen and that he believes he can beat him. On the other hand, he has a super "weird" car that seems to always have the brake on and the tires always cold, there is no performance that allows him to demonstrate more of his potential.

These conflicts are making Perez quite "rebellious" and the feelings are showing to everyone!
Then, to make matters worse, now comes Vertappen and calls Perez with Botas... this will still cause a lot of confusion!

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Verstappen made a comment about F1 drivers again and his target was clearly Perez of course. He said that some drivers should know their place and accept that they are not better than their teammates. He gave Bottas as an example as well. He really didn't make difficulties for Hamilton much in general. He accepted being the second driver and obeyed by team calls nearly all the time. Verstappen is clearly expecting Perez to do the same not to have in-team problems. We all know how ambitious Verstappen is so he might make this a big problem.

We all remember the Verstappen - Ricciardo relationship. The one between Verstappen and Perez might turn into that one in the future. After what Verstappen did to Perez and cost him losing the second spot, Perez might not stay calm from now on. I expect him to do his best to compete with Verstappen as well.

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I agree that it would not be Mick, but it will also not be someone amazing like Charles or Lando norris neither because they need someone who would be a second driver to George instead. I am guessing someone at the levels of Gasly or Ocon could be a lot better, they are not as bad as Mick, but not good enough to want to be the first driver neither like Charles would.

One thing I know is that we are going to watch Charles vs Max vs George for a long time, Max is ahead already, but we will see those three fight each other for almost a decade and that will be our future. Let's see what 2026 will bring, but F1 is safe with this three fighting against each other every year.

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Quote from: tokeweed on December 20, 2022, 09:56:37 AM

Schumacher could be driver no. 2 if Mercedes commits with Russell to be their first driver. I don't think Merc could acquire Verstappen or Norris as they both have long term contracts with their teams. They could tempt Leclerc away from Ferrari tho.

I would love to see Leclerc at Mercedes.I don't like him personally as a driver but this year he showed great skill and performance in those races where Ferrari had the upper edge.Beautiful battle in Silverstone between three drivers and one of them was Leclerc,he won in Austria with the gas pedal not working at all and a few more good deeds by him.

At Mercedes I doubt they have first and second driver but they choose one based on the results of the start of the season,they can't have first driver Russell if for example Hamilton wins the first three races.

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Quote from: CLS63 on December 18, 2022, 02:51:16 PM

Ferrari are claiming that they are back in their old strength again now. They are saying that they have the fastest car on the grid once again. I have heard about another thing also like they had to cut the power of the engine by a significant percent and this held them back from fighting with Red Bull at the same level.

Maybe they are saying the truth about winning their real power back now. We saw an example of it at the beginning of this season in the end. They were very promising. The only thing they need to do this time is to keep consistency. They need to work with better workers to have a season with minimum amount of problems. If we see them having durability issues again it would be a really big disappointment.

They're 'old strength' again now? And how can that really be when their best engineer has already resigned. People seem to forget that Binotto was the guy who has done a lot of the work on Ferrari's title winning cars with Michael Schumacher. I think to really get their old strength back, the Ferrari F1 board should go to Binotto then grovel and plead for him to work with them again because if he goes to another team with money, say McLaren, then the rest better watch out.

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I think from the two Mick has made a very good choice as we all know Hamilton cannot race for more than 2-3 upcoming seasons at maximum performance,he can race for much more but his performance would be on the downside rather than on the upside and Mick is just waiting for his time to come to show his skills.I see a big future for him at Mercedes and most probably at Mercedes believe in him too otherwise they would have not signed him up.

Ricciardo I think was forced to go there as he had no other options and I see him as a driver which has already gave his best in F1,he is a winner of races and even won with McLaren but unfortunately he could not get a seat for next season so he settled at Redbull once again as reserve driver.

And you imagined that Mercedes would replace Hamilton with Mick? There is absolutely no way that Mercedes would hire him, they would be able to get anyone aside from maybe Charles and Max, all other racers are fine for them, get Norris if you want, young talented driver after all.

The idea that they would get Mick to replace Hamilton is impossible, so much so that there is a chance they won't even keep him at reserve driver spot until Hamilton retires, they may get a younger better guy there as well. I still think reserve drivers should drive for F2 though, that would be a lot better and all should be there, it would definitely improve the chances.

Schumacher could be driver no. 2 if Mercedes commits with Russell to be their first driver. I don't think Merc could acquire Verstappen or Norris as they both have long term contracts with their teams. They could tempt Leclerc away from Ferrari tho.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 18, 2022, 04:57:55 PM

I think from the two Mick has made a very good choice as we all know Hamilton cannot race for more than 2-3 upcoming seasons at maximum performance,he can race for much more but his performance would be on the downside rather than on the upside and Mick is just waiting for his time to come to show his skills.I see a big future for him at Mercedes and most probably at Mercedes believe in him too otherwise they would have not signed him up.

Ricciardo I think was forced to go there as he had no other options and I see him as a driver which has already gave his best in F1,he is a winner of races and even won with McLaren but unfortunately he could not get a seat for next season so he settled at Redbull once again as reserve driver.

And you imagined that Mercedes would replace Hamilton with Mick? There is absolutely no way that Mercedes would hire him, they would be able to get anyone aside from maybe Charles and Max, all other racers are fine for them, get Norris if you want, young talented driver after all.

The idea that they would get Mick to replace Hamilton is impossible, so much so that there is a chance they won't even keep him at reserve driver spot until Hamilton retires, they may get a younger better guy there as well. I still think reserve drivers should drive for F2 though, that would be a lot better and all should be there, it would definitely improve the chances.

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