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Despite rumors, Riccardo spoke before the GP this weekend and said he wants to stay in F1.

Rumors were pretty intense about him going to Formula Indy next year.

He can stay at F1 but the only spot available for him would be a place in a Williams car most likely I heard the commentators of Sky UK during Belgium GP talking about him and how everyone were said for his departure from McLaren but when things don't work they simply don't work,there is nothing anyone can do,McLaren will pay his contract in full so financially nothing is broken for him.I am also sad to see him leave or drive a Williams but most of the other seats for next season are already taken so I don't see a whole lot of other opportunities for him to stay in F1 except with that worst performing car of the grid,that Williams.

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Despite rumors, Riccardo spoke before the GP this weekend and said he wants to stay in F1.

Rumors were pretty intense about him going to Formula Indy next year.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on August 29, 2022, 01:12:55 PM

It is sure that Hamilton era is over, but the fact is that the dude has been a very gracious loser is a great aspect of him. He disliked him as well when he won all the time and acted like he was the king, because we all knew if that car was given to vettel after 4 years of domination in red bull, then vettel would have won 8 in a row after that, making it an unreal 12 in a row. This isn't some "what if" we KNOW that vettel would have won 8 in a row with mercedes if given the chance. So, it wasn't hamiltons success.

However after last years last race scandal and now after this Alonso deal him accepting fault and saying it doesn't matter what Alonso said because it was heat of the moment and these things happen. Hamilton showed that maybe he was a disliked winner, but he is certainly a very likeable loser.

I don't believe that the Hamilton era is completely over yet. This season is really tough for him because of not having a fast car. I know that he was doing much better with a slower car when he was much younger. But in today's F1 conditions, there is no way you can win a championship with a car like that. For example, Verstappen would have also been in a bad condition now if Red Bull weren't able to give a this much fast car to him.

I think that Hamilton can still fight for his 8th title next season. It is only up to his getting a strong car like in the previous season or not. He isn't intending to give up yet by retiring. He is still ambitious for being the only owner of the title record.

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Quote from: Distraction on August 29, 2022, 12:07:00 PM

The point gap between Verstappen and Leclerc has gone up to 98 now. Perez has also left Leclerc behind in the driver standings now. Ferrari are just experiencing the nightmare in a season they could have done much better than this. But it is their fault mostly at the same time. Making the right decisions would have kept the championship race between Verstappen and Leclerc alive now. The last race was another disaster and I don't have expectations from them in the remaining races anymore.

The Dutch GP is closing in on us. It is this weekend and it is the home GP for Verstappen also. I expect nothing different than a Verstappen win here like he did last season.

It won't be that easy but judging how easily he won the Belgian GP,even if the track is not that really suitable to Redbull but much more to Ferrari still the pace of Redbull can make that win happen.We already know that the Championship is over and that Verstappen is enjoying this remaining part of the season like a walk in a park if a lot of unpredictable things happen,like crashing,power unit failure and weather stubbornness.I personally hope to see a win from Ferrari here just to keep us motivated to continue watching the F1 remaining part with emotions.

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This week there will be another MotoGP race at the San Marino Misano circuit. But before that there is already two good news for the three riders at this time where Joan Mir who has officially joined Repsol Honda starting next year and Miguel Oliveira and Raul Fernandes who have also officially joined the independent team WithU RNF Racing starting next year. So there are only four seats left which are still not official or who has not yet announced who will fill them, and that is for the independent team LCR Honda, Gasgas, and also the Mooney VR46 Racing team.

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Quote from: Distraction on August 29, 2022, 12:07:00 PM

The point gap between Verstappen and Leclerc has gone up to 98 now. Perez has also left Leclerc behind in the driver standings now. Ferrari are just experiencing the nightmare in a season they could have done much better than this. But it is their fault mostly at the same time. Making the right decisions would have kept the championship race between Verstappen and Leclerc alive now. The last race was another disaster and I don't have expectations from them in the remaining races anymore.

The Dutch GP is closing in on us. It is this weekend and it is the home GP for Verstappen also. I expect nothing different than a Verstappen win here like he did last season.

It's almost as if Ferrari is doing its best to ensure that its drivers do not win. This is a nightmare for drivers. They go to every race with an obscurity. It's sad to see Ferrari in this state. The point gap between Verstappen and Leclerc seems to increase with each race. If the Ferrari team had tried not to make any mistakes, we could have seen a different standings. As you said, my guess is that Verstappen will win the race in the Netherlands. In the last race, he started from the 14th row and became the 1st. That's why nothing else can be thought of for the race in the Netherlands.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on August 29, 2022, 01:12:55 PM

It is sure that Hamilton era is over, but the fact is that the dude has been a very gracious loser is a great aspect of him. He disliked him as well when he won all the time and acted like he was the king, because we all knew if that car was given to vettel after 4 years of domination in red bull, then vettel would have won 8 in a row after that, making it an unreal 12 in a row. This isn't some "what if" we KNOW that vettel would have won 8 in a row with mercedes if given the chance. So, it wasn't hamiltons success.

However after last years last race scandal and now after this Alonso deal him accepting fault and saying it doesn't matter what Alonso said because it was heat of the moment and these things happen. Hamilton showed that maybe he was a disliked winner, but he is certainly a very likeable loser.

No one knows what Vettel would have done,I think that Vettel completely lost it at Ferrari and he did quite a lot of mistakes there,against Nico Rosberg with those errors I doubt Vettel would have succeeded.We cannot be so sure of any driver,Hamilton was a rising star as he won races even with non performing teams like McLaren in the years back where they did not had the best car in 2011 and 2012 so Mercedes saw that and immediately got him in 2014 after Schumacher retired.He is the living legend so far and he fully deserves what he has achieved.He also removed the supremacy of the Germans in F1 which were some of the greatest drivers like Schumi and then Vettel and that is a good thing for the sport,now we are having a Champion from Holland showing things change radically fast in F1 and that is good for all of us fans of the sport.

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It is sure that Hamilton era is over, but the fact is that the dude has been a very gracious loser is a great aspect of him. He disliked him as well when he won all the time and acted like he was the king, because we all knew if that car was given to vettel after 4 years of domination in red bull, then vettel would have won 8 in a row after that, making it an unreal 12 in a row. This isn't some "what if" we KNOW that vettel would have won 8 in a row with mercedes if given the chance. So, it wasn't hamiltons success.

However after last years last race scandal and now after this Alonso deal him accepting fault and saying it doesn't matter what Alonso said because it was heat of the moment and these things happen. Hamilton showed that maybe he was a disliked winner, but he is certainly a very likeable loser.

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The point gap between Verstappen and Leclerc has gone up to 98 now. Perez has also left Leclerc behind in the driver standings now. Ferrari are just experiencing the nightmare in a season they could have done much better than this. But it is their fault mostly at the same time. Making the right decisions would have kept the championship race between Verstappen and Leclerc alive now. The last race was another disaster and I don't have expectations from them in the remaining races anymore.

The Dutch GP is closing in on us. It is this weekend and it is the home GP for Verstappen also. I expect nothing different than a Verstappen win here like he did last season.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on August 29, 2022, 07:38:07 AM

I'm happy to give this news to you. The Belgian GP is going to be a part of 2023 calendar as well.

There were rumours about the possibility of its being removed. This track is a special one for most of F1 lovers. The race yesterday was really nice to watch also even though Verstappen dominated it completely.

I am very happy about that, a great oldschool track with gravel beds but also good chances to overtake.

For the race itself, RedBull was superior, as already mentioned, and no other team had a real chance to win in a normal race.

The pit stop at the end of the race was again typical for Ferrari, they wanted to win a point with the fastest lap and typical for this season they lost a place due to a penalty and the lap was about 0.6 seconds too slow for the fastest lap.

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Ferrari had no chances today, and RBR with the new regulation imposed by FIA had no chances today.

Let's see if next GP they can fight or if FIA killed this championship.

But remember who wanted the new regulations tho and who was saying that changing regulations at the middle of the season is not good and sets something up that can be done again during the next seasons.

It was Toto Wolff who wanted the new regulations, with him thinking it would prolly be advantageous with Mercedes. And who was against it? Christian Horner, the team principal of Red Bull. But ironically it looks like they might be faster because of it... Lol.

Anyway, it looks like the season is over. It's Verstappen's season to lose and it also looks like we're witnessing greatness being born in F1.

Yes,that is pretty mature of Max Verstappen considering his young age still,he is becoming double World Champion at an early age which shows exactly that,greatness being born,however we had Vettel and Alonso near the same age becoming double World Champions and it didn't go that well for Alonso especially after those titles as Vettel won two more because of the car he was driving the Redbull being the absolutely best car at that time.Now we are experiencing the same but it is more relevant this title win for Verstappen as in the first part of the Championship he didn't have the best car and it was because of his bravery only that he managed the wins(of course a bit helped by idiotic Ferrari pit strategies).

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I'm happy to give this news to you. The Belgian GP is going to be a part of 2023 calendar as well.

There were rumours about the possibility of its being removed. This track is a special one for most of F1 lovers. The race yesterday was really nice to watch also even though Verstappen dominated it completely.

After hearing about this news I started to think about another possibility. Maybe they changed their mind to changing some things on this track before the next race here. We already know about a change about a specific place on the track for example. They changed the tarmac run-off area with gravel for example. Drivers were sometimes trying to use the place to their advantage before. Some more changes might be yet to come.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.spa-to-form-part-of-2023-f1-calendar-following-agreement-to-extend.7FeUki5B2tpV6LC1NKvgI1.html

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 28, 2022, 11:36:40 AM

Ferrari had no chances today, and RBR with the new regulation imposed by FIA had no chances today.

Let's see if next GP they can fight or if FIA killed this championship.

But remember who wanted the new regulations tho and who was saying that changing regulations at the middle of the season is not good and sets something up that can be done again during the next seasons.

It was Toto Wolff who wanted the new regulations, with him thinking it would prolly be advantageous with Mercedes. And who was against it? Christian Horner, the team principal of Red Bull. But ironically it looks like they might be faster because of it... Lol.

Anyway, it looks like the season is over. It's Verstappen's season to lose and it also looks like we're witnessing greatness being born in F1.

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Quote from: alegotardo on August 28, 2022, 08:17:12 PM

Quote from: Zackgeno96 on August 28, 2022, 02:58:19 PM

Whoever still had 1% doubts about the new champion of this season, will now have no more doubts, I think. He was really great today, Max. Started from 12th place and after a quarter of the race he was already in first place. It also helps that they have a super car, we saw the weekend that Red Bull was by far the fastest car, but then you have to wonder why Perez couldn't win this race? After all, he started in 2nd place (but had a terrible start). Then Verstappen is still 7 places behind the start. Is Verstappen so much better or Perez much worse?

What Max Verstappen did today was magnificently, leaving just three dated for the first in 20 laps is too few.
I don't remember seeing something like this happen "that often".
RedBull has a fantastic car, we cannot deny that this helped Max a lot to achieve this result, but this would not have been possible without the talent of Verstappen, a perfect combination.

There is no doubt that Verstappen will be champion in 2022.

@Zackgeno96 this was one of the most epic races I have seen in a while, and it made me realise just why I love F1 so much, and though we won’t see many repeats of this happening I feel that Max is racing on another level and currently no one can catch up to him.

Quote from: LTU_btc on August 28, 2022, 02:57:08 PM

Championship was already over before summer break. Max started from P14 today, but winning today was so easy for him that's not even interesting. With Red Bull pace, P3 for Sainz is best what he was able to achieve. Ferrari didn't failed in strategy today, but things can't go well for them - Leclerc got penalty for speeding in pit lane on last pit stop and lost P5 that he got in last lap after overtaking Alonso. Poor Bottas, his race ended after accident with GOATifi and he had no chance to avoid it.
And Alonso radio message about Hamilton was epic - ''This guy only knows to drive starting first'' Cheesy

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@LTU_btc this race once again proves the era of Hamilton is all but over, and it’ll be interesting will he try to his salvage pride by racing next season or will he be humble enough to quit F1 as he already has built a nice legacy.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on August 28, 2022, 02:58:19 PM

Whoever still had 1% doubts about the new champion of this season, will now have no more doubts, I think. He was really great today, Max. Started from 12th place and after a quarter of the race he was already in first place. It also helps that they have a super car, we saw the weekend that Red Bull was by far the fastest car, but then you have to wonder why Perez couldn't win this race? After all, he started in 2nd place (but had a terrible start). Then Verstappen is still 7 places behind the start. Is Verstappen so much better or Perez much worse?

What Max Verstappen did today was magnificently, leaving just three dated for the first in 20 laps is too few.
I don't remember seeing something like this happen "that often".
RedBull has a fantastic car, we cannot deny that this helped Max a lot to achieve this result, but this would not have been possible without the talent of Verstappen, a perfect combination.

There is no doubt that Verstappen will be champion in 2022.

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There are only 7 riders left who have not made an announcement about their contracts for next year (2023). Because Enea Bastianini, who has officially joined the Ducati factory, accompanied Pecco Bagnaia, Jorge Martin had to stay in his original place (Pramac Racing) with Johan Zarco. And Jack Miller who is currently still at the factory Ducati will accompany Brad Binder at the factory KTM next year which makes Miguel Oliveira have to be removed from the KTM Factory seat for next season.

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Quote from: swogerino on August 28, 2022, 03:20:17 PM

That message does not make any sense when you are talking about the living legend in stats in F1 history,I know Alonso is an ex World Champion but that statement was way really offending for Hamilton,nevertheless Hamilton was humble enough to apologize and acknowledge his error (something I doubt Alonso would have done) but that was just in the first lap.

It's true that Hamilton have proven many times that he can't start not just from front of grid. But Alonso phrase is emotions of angry racer what gives some spice for race. I prefer such emotions, rather than boring politcirrect stuff.
Alsonso acknowledge his own error - never heard of it Cheesy

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 28, 2022, 02:57:08 PM

Championship was already over before summer break. Max started from P14 today, but winning today was so easy for him that's not even interesting. With Red Bull pace, P3 for Sainz is best what he was able to achieve. Ferrari didn't failed in strategy today, but things can't go well for them - Leclerc got penalty for speeding in pit lane on last pit stop and lost P5 that he got in last lap after overtaking Alonso. Poor Bottas, his race ended after accident with GOATifi and he had no chance to avoid it.
And Alonso radio message about Hamilton was epic - ''This guy only knows to drive starting first'' Cheesy

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That message does not make any sense when you are talking about the living legend in stats in F1 history,I know Alonso is an ex World Champion but that statement was way really offending for Hamilton,nevertheless Hamilton was humble enough to apologize and acknowledge his error (something I doubt Alonso would have done) but that was just in the first lap.

Latifi vs Bottas what a race incident and you cannot do anything about it,it just happens although it happens a lot from teams and drivers standing in the last place.

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Whoever still had 1% doubts about the new champion of this season, will now have no more doubts, I think. He was really great today, Max. Started from 12th place and after a quarter of the race he was already in first place. It also helps that they have a super car, we saw the weekend that Red Bull was by far the fastest car, but then you have to wonder why Perez couldn't win this race? After all, he started in 2nd place (but had a terrible start). Then Verstappen is still 7 places behind the start. Is Verstappen so much better or Perez much worse?

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Championship was already over before summer break. Max started from P14 today, but winning today was so easy for him that's not even interesting. With Red Bull pace, P3 for Sainz is best what he was able to achieve. Ferrari didn't failed in strategy today, but things can't go well for them - Leclerc got penalty for speeding in pit lane on last pit stop and lost P5 that he got in last lap after overtaking Alonso. Poor Bottas, his race ended after accident with GOATifi and he had no chance to avoid it.
And Alonso radio message about Hamilton was epic - ''This guy only knows to drive starting first'' Cheesy

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