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Quote from: wmaurik on August 02, 2022, 10:32:11 PM

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So Alonso is official to Aston Martin and...

Piastri in official to Alpine.

Piastri is another top young driver, the same kind as LeClerc and Russel. He will be a top driver ASAP if he has a decent car.

I was a little surprised when I read Oscar Piastri's comments written on his twitter and it seems that Alpine F1 is a little afraid that Oscar Piastri will be signed by another team, so Oscar Piastri immediately responded via his twitter. I think this is really surprising because he has absolutely no idea which team he will race for next season.

https://twitter.com/OscarPiastri/status/1554527452231262210

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.oscar-piastri-insists-i-will-not-be-driving-for-alpine-next-year-after-team.2IzNJp1wi79WZzmphZKSsB.html

Piastri has been doing well in F2 where he was also a couple of times invited from F1 teams to take part only in a FP1 on Fridays.It is a great choice as he is a young promising driver but I don't know how well Alpine will perform next year,this year they have been doing well most of the races as they have been in most races into points territory.

As his first year in F1 it is great to not race for some team like Williams which no matter how talented of a driver you are,you are not going to shine there at all,so in this contest Piastri will not be driving for the weakest team of the paddock and that is good news.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 02, 2022, 04:01:31 PM

So Alonso is official to Aston Martin and...

Piastri in official to Alpine.

Piastri is another top young driver, the same kind as LeClerc and Russel. He will be a top driver ASAP if he has a decent car.

I was a little surprised when I read Oscar Piastri's comments written on his twitter and it seems that Alpine F1 is a little afraid that Oscar Piastri will be signed by another team, so Oscar Piastri immediately responded via his twitter. I think this is really surprising because he has absolutely no idea which team he will race for next season.

https://twitter.com/OscarPiastri/status/1554527452231262210

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.oscar-piastri-insists-i-will-not-be-driving-for-alpine-next-year-after-team.2IzNJp1wi79WZzmphZKSsB.html

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According to the news that I read in several media, one of which was the otomotif media, it said that the Losail circuit would not be the opening for MotoGP 2023 because renovations were being carried out on the paddock area and other supporting facilities. So the MotoGP opening for 2023 has been shifted to the Autodromo Internacional do Algarve which is in Portugal.

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Really strange situation. Alpine announces about Piastri contract, then after few hours Piastri denies it that it was not right information. Seems that someone from Ferrari is responsible for Alpine PR Cheesy

.Seems that Piastri already reached agreement with Mclaren and Ricciardo probably will return to Alpine.
This Marcus Ericsson tweet aged very well:
https://twitter.com/Ericsson_Marcus/status/1554122561126121473

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So Alonso is official to Aston Martin and...

Piastri in official to Alpine.

Piastri is another top young driver, the same kind as LeClerc and Russel. He will be a top driver ASAP if he has a decent car.

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Quote from: swogerino on August 02, 2022, 03:31:25 AM

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Alonso to Aston Martin, what do you think about it?. I'm happy that we will see probably last remaining old school driver in F1 for at least 2 seasons. Move to Aston Martin looks like step back, Alpine seems to have better perspective. But such decision is understandable, Alpine offered him just one year contract.

Can't understand this move by Alonso at all, Renault (Alpine) has established itself as the fourth force in F1 and is taking a huge step backwards with the move to Aston Martin, is Stroll paying so well that Alonso wants to make another big splash? I'm curious but this change could make him regret the last years in Formula 1 and frustrate him, Alonso didn't exactly have a good hand with his 7 changes.

I think Alonso will get paid really well considering his age now.Of course he is one of the best drivers available,give him a well performing car and I am sure he can win races for example with Mercedes of this year,I am sure he would have won Hungary if he started first with Mercedes at the actual level.

The other reason I believe he choose Aston Martin is because the car can't be worse than this year for the next one,this year they missed completely as they tried to find a loophole in order to be the Brawn of 2009 but failed completely,for next year car I believe they will do much better and most probably this is the reason Alonso joined,he knows that Alpine cannot do much better than this so why not try something new for next year.

I believe that it’s an open secret that his decision was finalised due to two reasons 1) good money and 2) and a bigger contract, and at his age I don’t think that he would have got such a good deal elsewhere hence not a bad idea. Furthermore I believe that his experience will help Aston Martin, and we should give him time before ruling that his move is a big mistake.

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Quote from: Republikcoin.com on August 01, 2022, 03:09:22 AM

Currently the WSBK race is much fiercer than MotoGP although there is a slight difference in the number of points in the temporary standings after the WSBK race in the Czech Republic yesterday.
I see that Toprak has started to reduce the points gap with Rea and Bautista after winning the SP Race and Race 2, while at the time of Superpole and Race 1, Toprak was only able to finish second and now Toprak is only 38 points away from Bautista as the leader of the standings and 7 points from Rea is in second place in the standings. (infoworldsbk)

Yes, much fiercer but not popular as MotoGP. I don't see Also WBSK results on top google which means they need hard work to promote. About the race on Ceko, I just saw it at a glance on my local tv, maybe because I don't know much about the racer, so I ignore it. I just hear Toprak from you, and I a bit know about Alvaro Bautista where was on MotoGP with the Ducati team in 2018. In WBSK Bautista is a bit have achievement than Motogp, but still didn't yet a champion between 2019-2021. so, will he get in 2022?

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 02, 2022, 02:27:46 AM

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Alonso to Aston Martin, what do you think about it?. I'm happy that we will see probably last remaining old school driver in F1 for at least 2 seasons. Move to Aston Martin looks like step back, Alpine seems to have better perspective. But such decision is understandable, Alpine offered him just one year contract.

Can't understand this move by Alonso at all, Renault (Alpine) has established itself as the fourth force in F1 and is taking a huge step backwards with the move to Aston Martin, is Stroll paying so well that Alonso wants to make another big splash? I'm curious but this change could make him regret the last years in Formula 1 and frustrate him, Alonso didn't exactly have a good hand with his 7 changes.

I think Alonso will get paid really well considering his age now.Of course he is one of the best drivers available,give him a well performing car and I am sure he can win races for example with Mercedes of this year,I am sure he would have won Hungary if he started first with Mercedes at the actual level.

The other reason I believe he choose Aston Martin is because the car can't be worse than this year for the next one,this year they missed completely as they tried to find a loophole in order to be the Brawn of 2009 but failed completely,for next year car I believe they will do much better and most probably this is the reason Alonso joined,he knows that Alpine cannot do much better than this so why not try something new for next year.

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Quote from: karabiber on August 02, 2022, 01:45:47 AM

No matter what Ferrari does, it can't get what it wants. They think they didn't make a strategic mistake. Leclerc was quite fast on the medium compound. This may be true, but even though they knew the importance of tire selection, they would have lost the race by choosing a hard tire, and it was. Ferrari is doing its best for Max Verstappen to win the title. After the wrong tire selection, the deficiencies in the vehicle performance were also noticeable. If we look at the result, Max Verstappen is at the top with 80 points.

Yeah for me it is almost certain now that Verstappen will be the champion in this season too. Ferrari is just making way to many mistakes. You can not win a championship that way. Even though Mercedes made some impressive progress in the last few weeks, Ferrari is still a way ahead of them but they just don't manage to make that count in the race somehow.
I don't want to bash Ferrari to hard though. I mean just compare their performance this season with the one from last year. Now they have a competitive car again finally. Of course if you are risking a lot during the development of a new car you can not have such a high reliability. They really should try to stop doing those tactical mistakes though.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 01, 2022, 04:29:10 PM

Alonso to Aston Martin, what do you think about it?. I'm happy that we will see probably last remaining old school driver in F1 for at least 2 seasons. Move to Aston Martin looks like step back, Alpine seems to have better perspective. But such decision is understandable, Alpine offered him just one year contract.

Can't understand this move by Alonso at all, Renault (Alpine) has established itself as the fourth force in F1 and is taking a huge step backwards with the move to Aston Martin, is Stroll paying so well that Alonso wants to make another big splash? I'm curious but this change could make him regret the last years in Formula 1 and frustrate him, Alonso didn't exactly have a good hand with his 7 changes.

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Quote from: 1kodumtek7 on August 02, 2022, 02:06:12 AM

Quote from: karabiber on August 02, 2022, 01:45:47 AM

No matter what Ferrari does, it can't get what it wants. They think they didn't make a strategic mistake. Leclerc was quite fast on the medium compound. This may be true, but even though they knew the importance of tire selection, they would have lost the race by choosing a hard tire, and it was. Ferrari is doing its best for Max Verstappen to win the title. After the wrong tire selection, the deficiencies in the vehicle performance were also noticeable. If we look at the result, Max Verstappen is at the top with 80 points.

Ferrari are just doing everything they can do make Verstappen champion one more time. I really didn't have any idea why they chose hard tyres and Leclerc shared the same thought as well. Isn't there really any proper strategist in the whole team? They had better make some changes in the team or these mistakes would continue and Leclerc's championship chance would decrease. I don't expect Leclerc to catch up with Verstappen at this point btw. It is just too hard.

It has already decreased and quite a lot I would say.The fact that Verstappen is going with 80 points distance to his main rival for holidays says a lot.There are only 9 races to go to end this F1 season and Verstappen has the luxury of being DNF-meaning to crash or have power failures for three races and still be ahead of Leclerc even if Leclerc manages to win all these three races.This scenario though based on the performance of both drivers so far looks highly unlikely.

We can bet on Leclerc little money to win the Championship as his odd is really high now but most likely this would be lost money,so not worthy.I think betting on Verstappen to win this season makes a lot of sense despite him having a much lower odd.

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Quote from: karabiber on August 02, 2022, 01:45:47 AM

No matter what Ferrari does, it can't get what it wants. They think they didn't make a strategic mistake. Leclerc was quite fast on the medium compound. This may be true, but even though they knew the importance of tire selection, they would have lost the race by choosing a hard tire, and it was. Ferrari is doing its best for Max Verstappen to win the title. After the wrong tire selection, the deficiencies in the vehicle performance were also noticeable. If we look at the result, Max Verstappen is at the top with 80 points.

Ferrari are just doing everything they can do make Verstappen champion one more time. I really didn't have any idea why they chose hard tyres and Leclerc shared the same thought as well. Isn't there really any proper strategist in the whole team? They had better make some changes in the team or these mistakes would continue and Leclerc's championship chance would decrease. I don't expect Leclerc to catch up with Verstappen at this point btw. It is just too hard.

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No matter what Ferrari does, it can't get what it wants. They think they didn't make a strategic mistake. Leclerc was quite fast on the medium compound. This may be true, but even though they knew the importance of tire selection, they would have lost the race by choosing a hard tire, and it was. Ferrari is doing its best for Max Verstappen to win the title. After the wrong tire selection, the deficiencies in the vehicle performance were also noticeable. If we look at the result, Max Verstappen is at the top with 80 points.

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Quote from: swogerino on July 29, 2022, 02:06:30 AM

There is only one real track that historically has favored Ducati and that is Catalunya where the straight is huge and the Ducati moto has the absolute top speed or at least used to have the top speed in MotoGP because it is some time that I don't follow MotoGP closely due to the lack of riders like Rossi,Biaggi,Lorenzo,Marquez which hopefully will be back and other legends that a couple of years ago made this sport really enjoyable to watch.

There are three very long straights in my opinion, the first is the Mugello Italia, the second is the Losail Qatar circuit and the third is the Finnish Kymiring (but unfortunately the Kymiring circuit has been canceled by Dorna due to certain problems) and Ducati always shows a lot of power in the two circuits I mentioned (Mugello and Losail) with a very extraordinary top speed. The racers who have become legends will not return to MotoGP unless Marquez has started to recover and seems to be ready to race again.

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The fact that Ducati has won at a track like Assen which is not a favorite to Ducati having a lot of narrow turns and not that much speed either shows something,shows that Ducati is improving further.

Ducati has indeed been getting better over the last four years so that Ducati is always in the front row of competition to win the championship even though it always runs aground during the determination of the world champion. This week there will be another race at Silverstone England because the summer break is over, MotoGP is Back.

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A ton of stuff happened in the last 24 hours and I cant believe it. We knew that Vettel would be retiring and that was already a brand new thing, it wasn't a news for too long before we learn that Alonso is now taking his place. Vettel is younger than Alonso, but I guess they have different views about life, plus some may want more, and some may say enough and I get it.

On top of that Vettel was literally in the "retirement car" for a while now, if he was offered a chance at a big team then he wouldn't retire, Alonso is already in retirement car for sure, and I guess he will be just switching retirement plans and nothing more. Ferrari sure does a trick on people they can't let go even after a while.

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Alonso to Aston Martin, what do you think about it?. I'm happy that we will see probably last remaining old school driver in F1 for at least 2 seasons. Move to Aston Martin looks like step back, Alpine seems to have better perspective. But such decision is understandable, Alpine offered him just one year contract.

Quote from: tokeweed on August 01, 2022, 08:11:02 AM

It's not Binotto imho. He's the brilliant guy in the team who made them a good, competitive car that can win races. He was a chief technical officer before he was the team pricipal after all. And I think he was part of the engineering team of Schumacher's days at Ferrari... Not sure.

The guy who should be given the sack is their head of race strategy, whoever he is. He's been making lots of bad calls for their team. Maybe he's really working for Red Bull. Lol.

Inaki Rueda - Red Bull fans should know names of their heroe's. He is responsible for all that bad calls Ferrari made. But Binotto is responsible too - he is team principal after all and he is responsible for everything what happens in his team.

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Quote from: Distraction on August 01, 2022, 10:23:44 AM

What a disappointing race for Ferrari it was! It is all their fault also because that huge tactical mistake about Leclerc's pit caused his chance to win to slip away from his hands. After the race Russell, Hamilton and Verstappen were discussing the race and they also laughed at Ferrari's hard tyre strategy for Leclerc. I don't know if Binotto had a role in this but one thing is certain that the team in general make really bad decisions this season. Leclerc is very frustrated about being in this much bad condition in the standings already now.

We watched it thinking that Ferrari would learn from its mistakes and make up for it in every new race. But most of the season is over. 80 points difference. It doesn't suit a team like Ferrari. Even other mid-level teams haven't been able to turn those opportunities into mistakes over the past years. If Ferrari's going to do anything, they have to either get rid of that pit wall or tweak it first. Leclerc has lost something like 32 points this year from his own mistakes. Ferrari cost him over 100 points (2 engine blast - 3 strategy crap).

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What a disappointing race for Ferrari it was! It is all their fault also because that huge tactical mistake about Leclerc's pit caused his chance to win to slip away from his hands. After the race Russell, Hamilton and Verstappen were discussing the race and they also laughed at Ferrari's hard tyre strategy for Leclerc. I don't know if Binotto had a role in this but one thing is certain that the team in general make really bad decisions this season. Leclerc is very frustrated about being in this much bad condition in the standings already now.

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Just found out that the KymiRing Moto Gp failed to beenforceable. I'm just saying that masala Homoglogation and conflict are the reasons why Dorna is racing there. In addition, after failing, I heard that KymiRing was also rumored to be bankrupt because it could not afford to pay debts that amounted to 9 billion.
The next series returns to The Inggris silverstone, after a long holiday of course the drivers are ready to show their best. Next week, I can't wait to see it.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 31, 2022, 11:37:22 AM

Binotto needs to be sacked.

Superb race from Max and as I said Mercedes is back and maybe they will be even the car to be beaten if, as it seams, the rules will changes from SPA

It's not Binotto imho. He's the brilliant guy in the team who made them a good, competitive car that can win races. He was a chief technical officer before he was the team pricipal after all. And I think he was part of the engineering team of Schumacher's days at Ferrari... Not sure.

The guy who should be given the sack is their head of race strategy, whoever he is. He's been making lots of bad calls for their team. Maybe he's really working for Red Bull. Lol.

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