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What they asked Norris was simply just be fair, and Piastri was behind him only because they basically let him be there, and it would be fair to give Piastri what he deserves.

In the end, I understand why both Piastri and Norris would have been upset, it is not a clear win like they would want to, but this is the fair thing, this is how it has to be done for a team to be equal to both drivers.

McLaren developed a bad strategy for Piastri and caused him to be overtaken by Norris after last pit. I'm okay with that. However McLaren should have thought more thoroughly anyway. Norris has a more realistic chance to push for winning a championship now. It can't be denided I think considering McLaren is the fastest right now.

Piastri's first win could have been in a better way than this. Norris should have been given the win to collect 7 more very important points. Think about the chance he might even lose the championship because of that.  Sad

It looks like McLaren is prioritizing constructor championship, not Norris' chance.
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"You are are child" or something like that they said to Max Verstappen, crazy what they have said to him.
The race was fun to see in the latest 10 laps, and with hot temperatures Ferrari got some sprint as expected.

Mclaren is clearly the best car in the F1 right now.

That's what I've been saying for a month now...  McLaren has the best car and it was starting to be obvious a couple of months ago.  They just need their drivers to listen like when at Silverstone I think both Piastri and Norris were told to double stack but they avoided it.  It cost them the 1 - 2. 

As for Verstappen, this is the part of the season when it becomes interesting because you'll see the Verstappen of old.  He's gonna be reckless out there.
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What many people who watched it do not understand is that, if they preferred Piastri over Norris during the race strategy, Piastri would have been a mile ahead, and Norris would have been closer to Hamilton, and maybe not even be second as well. What they did, was give Norris the better strategy, so that Piastri was already ahead, so while he would take a hit like Norris would have, the hit would have been less.

Assume that you have a car at first, with 5 seconds ahead of everyone, and a car that is second 1 second ahead of the third, or you have a car at first 1 second ahead of second, and a car at second 10 seconds ahead of third. Which would you prefer? They gave Piastri worse strategy, because he was far more ahead, that's why Norris was ahead of Piastri, they could have used undercut on Piastri too, then ruin Norris. What they asked Norris was simply just be fair, and Piastri was behind him only because they basically let him be there, and it would be fair to give Piastri what he deserves.

In the end, I understand why both Piastri and Norris would have been upset, it is not a clear win like they would want to, but this is the fair thing, this is how it has to be done for a team to be equal to both drivers.
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"You are are child" or something like that they said to Max Verstappen, crazy what they have said to him.
The race was fun to see in the latest 10 laps, and with hot temperatures Ferrari got some sprint as expected.

Mclaren is clearly the best car in the F1 right now.

I totally agree. How can Verstappen be acting like a child there?  Huh  He clearly states how terrible Red Bull was with the strategies. Maybe he put it in a really strict way but he should be tolerated for that honestly.

He continued furiously during post-race interview too.



https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-tells-critics-to-f-off-after-hungarian-gp/10637327/

McLaren is way ahead of Red Bull now. I even question Red Bull's place against Mercedes as well. Because you have seen how much Verstappen struggled to overtake Hamilton. I'm really having fun in this season honestly. Finally we have a season without a one-man domination.  Grin
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Piastri for the first time in his career won the race after a long drama between him, Lando, and Max. He really deserved it. But once again, McLaren finished the race quite chaotically, especially Lando, he was increasingly impatient to win the race and didn't seem to want to give his teammate a chance. Luckily he was still willing to give Piastri space for P1.
And this time we see the many blunders made by Max and how their strategy is quite messy. This indicates that currently RB is increasingly being chased by other teams. That's a good thing and it's the competition I've been waiting for, and it makes F1 even more exciting to watch.

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I think Norris should have been the winner. Piastri messes up but still dares to take the lead? I assume McLaren doesn't care about Norris' chance for a championship. We are only in the middle of the season and Red Bull isn't like in the past.

McLaren definitely has the data so they can tell Lando to give Piastri the go, but I admit that the way McLaren manages their drivers is not good at all, there are a lot of mistakes, and it makes both of their current drivers quite disappointed. Especially when he was on the podium, there we could see how Lando didn't give any reaction to Piastri, who had just won his first race. I know that he is quite disappointed, but he has to mature and not blame his teammate who only received orders to lead the race and was also not happy enough with the result he got, even though it was P1. Even someone who often has beef with his teammate, Nico, gave recommendations to the McLaren team in the interview session, and it also makes sense seeing how they treat their drivers.
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"You are are child" or something like that they said to Max Verstappen, crazy what they have said to him.
The race was fun to see in the latest 10 laps, and with hot temperatures Ferrari got some sprint as expected.

Mclaren is clearly the best car in the F1 right now.
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Piastri for the first time in his career won the race after a long drama between him, Lando, and Max. He really deserved it. But once again, McLaren finished the race quite chaotically, especially Lando, he was increasingly impatient to win the race and didn't seem to want to give his teammate a chance. Luckily he was still willing to give Piastri space for P1.
And this time we see the many blunders made by Max and how their strategy is quite messy. This indicates that currently RB is increasingly being chased by other teams. That's a good thing and it's the competition I've been waiting for, and it makes F1 even more exciting to watch.

I got so bored in the race honestly but it wasn't a thing that I didn't expect, so...  Grin  There were some interesting incidents happened during the race as well though just as you mentioned.

Verstappen was right about complaining. That early pit by Hamilton ruined the plans. Red Bull should have acted faster than Mercedes. Verstappen's anger caused him to make a big mistake and paid for it later.

I think Norris should have been the winner. Piastri messes up but still dares to take the lead? I assume McLaren doesn't care about Norris' chance for a championship. We are only in the middle of the season and Red Bull isn't like in the past.
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Piastri for the first time in his career won the race after a long drama between him, Lando, and Max. He really deserved it. But once again, McLaren finished the race quite chaotically, especially Lando, he was increasingly impatient to win the race and didn't seem to want to give his teammate a chance. Luckily he was still willing to give Piastri space for P1.
And this time we see the many blunders made by Max and how their strategy is quite messy. This indicates that currently RB is increasingly being chased by other teams. That's a good thing and it's the competition I've been waiting for, and it makes F1 even more exciting to watch.
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Once again, Toprak was unstoppable at the Czech WSBK event since FP1, FP2, FP3, Superpole, Race1, SPRace and Race2. He really has become extraordinary enough that Ducati riders can't do much in every race and that will certainly make Toprak a candidate to win WSBK this year. Apart from that, I also congratulate the Indonesian rider in the WSSP300 class because he managed to get the 3rd podium today after starting the race from 33rd place. This is truly extraordinary for Aldi Satya Mahendra because he uses a Yamaha R3 motorbike.
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He was 4.50 before all the free practice session started.  I'm not really sure why the books never adjusted their lines to the info that McLaren has the best car that gets them pole position.  But at the race takes strategy and McLaren seems lacking at that for some reason.  They could mess it up for Norris and have either Verstappen get it or Piastri.

Piastri is at 7.50.  Wink

That is still a big opportunity for gamblers truthfully.  Smiley  McLaren has made huge progress and they are getting more trusted in time. At the moment the odds are like Norris 1.73, Verstappen 2.60 for the win. This shows how much competitive race is waiting for us clearly. If Piastri can't overtake Norris at the start, his duty would be to keep Verstappen as much as possible. But can he? We will see.  Grin

About Perez's renewing his contract, it is all because of Verstappen. He is satisfied with no competition from his teammate. But Red Bull must be looking for an alternative driver already and they had better be.

He did and McLaren gave him the position back because they lost it in the pit stops.However since the fault was of Piastri when he got off track and got from near 5 seconds to 1.7 seconds to Norris was the key point that was not taken into consideration by McLaren.For me Lando should have kept the win yet it shows how not logical are these guys at the paddock,all of them and not just McLaren,at Redbull they made errors today.The only team that hit it right was Mercedes.
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He was 4.50 before all the free practice session started.  I'm not really sure why the books never adjusted their lines to the info that McLaren has the best car that gets them pole position.  But at the race takes strategy and McLaren seems lacking at that for some reason.  They could mess it up for Norris and have either Verstappen get it or Piastri.

Piastri is at 7.50.  Wink

That is still a big opportunity for gamblers truthfully.  Smiley  McLaren has made huge progress and they are getting more trusted in time. At the moment the odds are like Norris 1.73, Verstappen 2.60 for the win. This shows how much competitive race is waiting for us clearly. If Piastri can't overtake Norris at the start, his duty would be to keep Verstappen as much as possible. But can he? We will see.  Grin

About Perez's renewing his contract, it is all because of Verstappen. He is satisfied with no competition from his teammate. But Red Bull must be looking for an alternative driver already and they had better be.
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^  Wait...  What do you mean new contract?  Like an extension to his current contract that would have him stay at RBR beyond this season?  Cheesy Cheesy  I hope that's not it because that would be hilariously so dumb of Red Bull.

Norris takes the pole position, big congrats to him!  Cheesy

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https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1025824/f1-qualifying-results-red-bull-star-crashes-out-in-q1-as-ricciardo-tops-times/

Norris was already the biggest favourite for the pole by bookies before the session started. He met the expectations by an impressive lap time. I was thinking Verstappen would be right between Norris and Piastri both I was wrong. Piastri was really incredible today.

McLarens are on their lucky day also. Because Tsunoda's crash caused a red flag and Verstappen couldn't go for another fast lap. Probably he didn't have fresh tyres left. A really good race might be waiting for us tomorrow.  Smiley  Perez also crashed and said goodbye in Q1 already. I didn't understand what was wrong with Russell though. He was terrible...

He was 4.50 before all the free practice session started.  I'm not really sure why the books never adjusted their lines to the info that McLaren has the best car that gets them pole position.  But at the race takes strategy and McLaren seems lacking at that for some reason.  They could mess it up for Norris and have either Verstappen get it or Piastri.

Piastri is at 7.50.  Wink
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What a disaster once again for Perez.
They just signed a new contract with him but he deserves only to be fired.
Many drivers just could do better then him.

Disappointment for Russell he often wants to 4head the race and often he just to the wrong choice, this time with fuel and rain.
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Haas has not announced Magnussen's direct replacement in the team for 2025. But the team had already confirmed, at the beginning of the month, that it will have the young Brit Oliver Bearman among its starters for the next championship. Hülkenberg is also leaving the team, in an announcement made in April.
I also believe that Ocon should be announced at Haas to complete the team.

Regarding Ricciardo, I also think he should go to Red Bull next year... His return easily replaces Nyck De Vries, who performed well below expectations and is another step in Ricciardo's readaptation to the category , who only did tests in simulators and rode in the current Red Bull a few days ago at Silverstone.
Even Red Bull boss Christian Horner let it slip that he thinks Ricciardo's goal is to steal Perez's position in 2025, so Ricciardo's entry would depend on that departure.
I am glad that Bearman is getting the attention he deserves, I remember the race he had and he was quite good, it would be very bad for him to keep missing years of his time. Remember, Max was just a teen when he got to F1 but he was good and he proved to be a right choice by Red Bull as well. I also think that Sainz could go to Haas as well, many good reasons for something like that to happen as well. I mean like mentioned, it is just one season, after that in 2026 we are going to see Audi join, and that means Sainz will be there, the deal is already done, one of the reasons why Ferrari got Hamilton instead, to be fair you do not need a reason to get Hamilton, it is Hamilton, but they still knew Sainz would leave.

So for one season alone, Sainz would be able to actually help Bearman be the best version of himself, help a newbie driver, while not being out of the league, and keep training basically. Yes he will not win anything with Haas, but he will be racing, and then he will go to a "possibly" better team.
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-snip-

McLarens are on their lucky day also. Because Tsunoda's crash caused a red flag and Verstappen couldn't go for another fast lap. Probably he didn't have fresh tyres left. A really good race might be waiting for us tomorrow.  Smiley  Perez also crashed and said goodbye in Q1 already. I didn't understand what was wrong with Russell though. He was terrible...

Perez is done, we've seen how he hasn't improved in recent races and instead crashed again - look at how Horner responded to his crash, he wasn't happy at all. And for Yuki, it was an unusual crash, he literally flew and hit the barrier, but the good news is he got P10, and hopefully in tomorrow's race his car won't suffer too serious damage. For Russell himself, it seems there was a strategic error which caused him to be knocked out in Q1, I don't know what, and he will have to settle for starting at the bottom tomorrow.

And for tomorrow's race, I see that Max has the chance to get the podium again, he just needs to push more and he can secure the podium.
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Norris takes the pole position, big congrats to him!  Cheesy

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https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1025824/f1-qualifying-results-red-bull-star-crashes-out-in-q1-as-ricciardo-tops-times/

Norris was already the biggest favourite for the pole by bookies before the session started. He met the expectations by an impressive lap time. I was thinking Verstappen would be right between Norris and Piastri both I was wrong. Piastri was really incredible today.

McLarens are on their lucky day also. Because Tsunoda's crash caused a red flag and Verstappen couldn't go for another fast lap. Probably he didn't have fresh tyres left. A really good race might be waiting for us tomorrow.  Smiley  Perez also crashed and said goodbye in Q1 already. I didn't understand what was wrong with Russell though. He was terrible...
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Another very powerful day for Mclearens.

Both on the top, looks like a promising weekend for them, can they manage to lose this race too?
With all the lost points they got so far they were in fight with Max for the title.

Ferrari kinda slow, as predicted pole will be under 1.16
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And there it is as said...  McLaren shining at FP3.  Undecided  Norris was 4.50 before FP1 and now his line is cut by more than half now at 2.00.  No value anymore for Norris.  But Verstappen is priced just right at 3.00 imho. That could he a good bet if you missed putting some money on Norris.

Results for FP3...

2024 F1 Hungarian GP FP3 Results

Lando Norris   1:16.098      
Oscar Piastri   1:16.142   +0.044s   
Max Verstappen   1:16.379   +0.281s   
George Russell   1:16.564   +0.466s   
Carlos Sainz   1:16.639   +0.541s   
Daniel Ricciardo   1:16.652   +0.554s   
Alexander Albon   1:16.661   +0.563s   
Nico Hulkenberg   1:16.696   +0.598s   
Yuki Tsunoda   1:16.744   +0.646s   
Lewis Hamilton   1:16.786   +0.688s   
Charles Leclerc   1:16.803   +0.705s   
Valtteri Bottas   1:16.804   +0.706s   
Sergio Perez   1:16.954   +0.856s   
Fernando Alonso   1:17.001   +0.903s
Lance Stroll   1:17.085   +0.987s   
Logan Sargeant   1:17.168   +1.070s   
Zhou Guanyu   1:17.291   +1.193s   
Pierre Gasly   1:17.499   +1.401s   
Kevin Magnussen   1:17.507   +1.409s   
Esteban Ocon   1:17.575   +1.477s   

Some highlight vids.

2024 Hungarian GP FP1 Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc2Mtk6CRHE

2024 Hungarian GP FP2 Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmD_Ash3Ulo
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Overall timers are superslow, idk if is a weather condition or what.
Poleposition for 2023 was 1.16.6 so it is ok to assume that this year they will do something around 1.16.0 or maybe 1.15.7/9.

About Leclerc yeah, so far is a terrible season for him idk if he lost it, or it is just a down in his carrier.



Actually it didn't have anything to do with weather condition. Lap times around 1:17.0 are quite familliar in Free Practice on this track. Drivers are slower during Free Practice most of the time. Check out these lap times in the same place in 2023 season for example:

https://www.espn.com/f1/results/_/id/600026759

This is mainly because of trying different drive modes and so on.

When we see rain during a full session, we can see times even near 1:40.0 like in that season. Anyways, there is some good improvement in Ferrari results. I must admit that.  Smiley  However seeing Leclerc having a crash made me worried. I hope he doesn't make such a simple mistake during qualifying or race.  Sad  The season is already going on in a really problematic way for him.
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Overall timers are superslow, idk if is a weather condition or what.
Poleposition for 2023 was 1.16.6 so it is ok to assume that this year they will do something around 1.16.0 or maybe 1.15.7/9.

About Leclerc yeah, so far is a terrible season for him idk if he lost it, or it is just a down in his carrier.

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