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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 12, 2022, 08:30:24 PM

I don't want to draw any conclusions from testing. It's difficult to talk about real potential of teams - they are hiding some things before the season. Though, Ferrari indeed looks impressive. What do you think about Hamilton words that in season start they aren't ready to compete for the wins? For me it looks like sandbagging, something similar like ''Bono, my tires is gone''
Can't believe that season starts next week, can't wait for it.

I do not think that they are making a big deal. People are just taking his words out of context and making it sound like Mercedes is at the end of the grid right now. This is more about "there is more potential left in the car that we haven't tapped yet, it could get better" and that's it. Sure, they are not at 100% right now, and sure maybe Ferrari is better right now. But, that could also mean that Ferrari is using 100% and doing well whereas Mercedes haven't found their 100% yet, and in a few races they could find it. So the more they race, the better they will get for sure. Remember how Red Bull had like 5+ games winning streak against Mercedes.

At certain point, Max was like 30+ seconds ahead of everyone. What happened? Mercedes still won the constructors and lost the drivers with one call. So we should not overestimate things Hamilton says. It just means they are not at max capacity and it may take a while but they will get there.

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Carlos Checa also predicts that Yamaha will be strong in Mandalika... Fyi, before the track resurfacing Honda is strong in Mandalika. But, as Checa said, Mandalika's pre-season test results were "no longer valid" because they had been (partially) re-paved + the track was very dirty at the time. Then how about this weekend, will there be a difference Huh

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In this case I slightly agree and agree with what Checa said because in general Yamaha will be helped by the many corners at the Mandalika circuit and also the not too long straight on the Mandalika circuit so that the Ducati factory will find it a little difficult to bring out the potential of the bike. although they have a lot of power in the engine, but considering the straight track is not as long as in Qatar, then there is also truth in Checa's prediction that Ducati will have difficulties again in Mandalika.

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I think it's unlikely that Ricciardo won't recover until the new season, though it would be interesting to see Piastri. It's a bit shity situation to get Covid and miss tests with completely new car, but still, it's probably better than getting Covid during the season and miss race because of it.

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Daniel Ricciardo is positive to COVID.
If he can't recover Oscar Piastri will be probably his substitute for the race, borrowed from ALPINE.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on March 12, 2022, 04:40:48 PM

OK, f1 tests are done, and don't look at timers.

From GPS data we should have this ranking at the start of the season.

1 Redbull
2 Mercedes
3 Ferrari

The gap should be under 0.3/10

So nothing should be compromised unless one team will use an unveiled secret next week.

You really think Mercedes will be faster than Ferrari? I know Mercedes are notorious for sand-bagging, but it did look to me like they were struggling a bit. The porpoising was affecting them more than most, and they definitely had some over-steer issues. I don't think that was all to mislead people, they do seem to have a few problems. If they come out in normal dominant form in the first race, I will be really surprised.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 12, 2022, 08:30:24 PM

I don't want to draw any conclusions from testing. It's difficult to talk about real potential of teams - they are hiding some things before the season. Though, Ferrari indeed looks impressive. What do you think about Hamilton words that in season start they aren't ready to compete for the wins? For me it looks like sandbagging, something similar like ''Bono, my tires is gone''
Can't believe that season starts next week, can't wait for it.

Everyone is expecting a great performance from Ferrari this year and so am I.
I do believe that they will do much better than in previous seasons, but in fact I have doubts if in just one season they will be able to achieve the same performance that a Mercedes car has.

Looking forward to the start of the season, I hope it will be as hot as the last one.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 12, 2022, 08:30:24 PM

I don't want to draw any conclusions from testing. It's difficult to talk about real potential of teams - they are hiding some things before the season. Though, Ferrari indeed looks impressive. What do you think about Hamilton words that in season start they aren't ready to compete for the wins? For me it looks like sandbagging, something similar like ''Bono, my tires is gone''
Can't believe that season starts next week, can't wait for it.

The last tests ended with Verstappen first at a big margin and showed he was much faster than the other previous tests that run during these last couple of days.It is a sure thing now that teams are hiding something as Verstappen was nowhere near these times during the first day of the tests.Although Ferrari should have been better compared to their previous years because they have started the development of this car since end of 2020.

As for Hamilton he said we can't compete for wins in the first week but I am told that we have a lot of pace to find during the F1 season.

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After the first race at Losail Qatar this month, I saw all the achievements of the MotoGP Rookies with no impression at all, because only Remy Gardner was able to get a point, and even then only one, while the other Rookies got nothing.
So for the race at Mandalika later maybe some of the rookies will try to get some points in order to become Rookie of the Year at the end of the season.

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Quote from: bounceback on March 12, 2022, 03:40:37 AM

If you look at the pre-season test at the Mandalikan circuit last month, it looks like the Honda team will have the upper hand at that circuit because Pol Espargaro managed to be the fastest rider twice out of three test sessions, so I think the race that will be held at the Mandilika circuit this time looks like the Honda team, Yamaha and Suzuki will dominate the track because as you said the Mandalika circuit doesn't have a straight track that is too long so the KTM riders and the Ducati Team will have a bit of trouble there.

The pre-season test time at the Mandalika circuit at that time was also not too far between fellow riders, especially Pol Espargaro with Fabio Quartararo who was in second place with a very thin time gap difference, it means that every Japanese manufacturer has almost the same potential in Mandalika and the value The plus is in the riders of each manufacturer, because of the ingenuity of each rider, I think, is still the difference on all circuits.

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I don't want to draw any conclusions from testing. It's difficult to talk about real potential of teams - they are hiding some things before the season. Though, Ferrari indeed looks impressive. What do you think about Hamilton words that in season start they aren't ready to compete for the wins? For me it looks like sandbagging, something similar like ''Bono, my tires is gone''
Can't believe that season starts next week, can't wait for it.

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Yeah, we have left the tests behind finally. And so far, the most impressive team to me have been Ferrari. Their new car seems to be really promising as it is very powerful compared to before. And their test results were great too. Leclerc and Sainz did a well job. And there is only one week to go for the first race of the new season. I'm so excited to see a brand new season in a new era in F1. I'm just hoping Ferrari to make a big difference this time. They can fight for the championship if their car is fully ready to fight hard.

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OK, f1 tests are done, and don't look at timers.

From GPS data we should have this ranking at the start of the season.

1 Redbull
2 Mercedes
3 Ferrari

The gap should be under 0.3/10

So nothing should be compromised unless one team will use an unveiled secret next week.

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Quote from: swogerino on March 12, 2022, 05:06:12 AM

It depends,if they want to inflict "fear" to their opponents they should push to the maximum and be ahead like 1 or a bit more second faster per lap.This will make sure that all other teams will mobilize to make the most out of their car in order to not be like more than 1 second behind the Ferraris but they can also opt to continue hiding knowing their true power as we are just one weekend ahead of the real first race where all cars will show their true power.Last year the tests didn't show the real potential of the cars if I remember correctly.

There is no need to install fear into your opponent during the testing period. If you max yourself and show what you can do like qualifier pace, and be like amazing then you are going to be putting all that you have into their hands. That is not really that great, I am not sure if I really want to see that happening or not.

I am not saying that it wouldn't be awesome for viewers, we would have fun to see a team being like 5+ seconds faster (not just car speed difference but also others are just testing and not maxing, that's why) and it is really possible. At this point even Haas could have the fastest car if they wanted to because others are just testing. If nobody is doing it, you shouldn't be the first one to do so.

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1   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m33.105s   43
2   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m33.959s   82
3   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m34.865s   91
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m34.905s   68
5   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m35.328s   54
6   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m35.504s   39
7   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m35.634s   73
8   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m36.029s   53
9   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m36.217s   78
10   Kevin Magnussen   DAN   Haas F1 Team   1m38.616s   38

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This morning we new components on the Redbull.

Meanwhile, the best time yesterday was by MAgnussen, did in extra time.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on March 11, 2022, 06:41:53 PM

Ferrari is shining right now but probably RedBull and Mercedes are hiding.
It is not only to be on top for Ferrari, but it is also very reliable in its mechanic, has no problems so far, AND is very easy to set it up.

We have the impression that Ferrari can go in the track and to the time with only 1-2 laps.

Tomorrow will be the last day of the tests, will they push?

It depends,if they want to inflict "fear" to their opponents they should push to the maximum and be ahead like 1 or a bit more second faster per lap.This will make sure that all other teams will mobilize to make the most out of their car in order to not be like more than 1 second behind the Ferraris but they can also opt to continue hiding knowing their true power as we are just one weekend ahead of the real first race where all cars will show their true power.Last year the tests didn't show the real potential of the cars if I remember correctly.

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Quote from: bounceback on March 12, 2022, 03:40:37 AM

If you look at the pre-season test at the Mandalikan circuit last month, it looks like the Honda team will have the upper hand at that circuit because Pol Espargaro managed to be the fastest rider twice out of three test sessions, so I think the race that will be held at the Mandilika circuit this time looks like the Honda team, Yamaha and Suzuki will dominate the track because as you said the Mandalika circuit doesn't have a straight track that is too long so the KTM riders and the Ducati Team will have a bit of trouble there.

If you look at the character of the circuit and its layout, I have more confidence in the Yamaha and Suzuki manufacturers, even though Pol Espargaro had stolen the attention of many people during the pre-season test session that took place there.
However, because Mandalika has been re-paved with several other updates, I am sure the riders will fight better in the Race later and the only benchmark that can be seen is when Free Practice takes place before the Race starts.

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Quote from: Davian144 on March 11, 2022, 09:44:12 PM

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There's no Yamaha in the top three, it looks bad. In fact they only had one Quartararo name at rank nine. Is this a bad start for Yamaha? Estimates of many fans have proven at this time they have difficulty competing with large power motors.
Mandalika Indonesia's next series, there is no official race record here. If you look at the track there, I think there are a lot of long straights. Maybe Yamaha will struggle here again, and Ducati will dominate a lot.

I think you still need to look at the specifications of the Mandalika circuit because the straights at the Mandalika circuit are not too long even though there are many and this could give the Yamaha factory a slight advantage in terms of fighting to be in the front row. Although for the time being there are no records there for MotoGP, I think everyone can see the record for pre-season tests that have been held there for now.

This circuit has a total track length of 4.31 km with 17 turns and a straight track of 732 meters. (Source)

If you look at the pre-season test at the Mandalikan circuit last month, it looks like the Honda team will have the upper hand at that circuit because Pol Espargaro managed to be the fastest rider twice out of three test sessions, so I think the race that will be held at the Mandilika circuit this time looks like the Honda team, Yamaha and Suzuki will dominate the track because as you said the Mandalika circuit doesn't have a straight track that is too long so the KTM riders and the Ducati Team will have a bit of trouble there.

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Quote from: AakZaki on March 08, 2022, 09:30:11 AM

There's no Yamaha in the top three, it looks bad. In fact they only had one Quartararo name at rank nine. Is this a bad start for Yamaha? Estimates of many fans have proven at this time they have difficulty competing with large power motors.
Mandalika Indonesia's next series, there is no official race record here. If you look at the track there, I think there are a lot of long straights. Maybe Yamaha will struggle here again, and Ducati will dominate a lot.

I think you still need to look at the specifications of the Mandalika circuit because the straights at the Mandalika circuit are not too long even though there are many and this could give the Yamaha factory a slight advantage in terms of fighting to be in the front row. Although for the time being there are no records there for MotoGP, I think everyone can see the record for pre-season tests that have been held there for now.

This circuit has a total track length of 4.31 km with 17 turns and a straight track of 732 meters. (Source)

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Ferrari is shining right now but probably RedBull and Mercedes are hiding.
It is not only to be on top for Ferrari, but it is also very reliable in its mechanic, has no problems so far, AND is very easy to set it up.

We have the impression that Ferrari can go in the track and to the time with only 1-2 laps.

Tomorrow will be the last day of the tests, will they push?

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