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What other teams built the second type of car?  Just Aston Martin?  If they’re the only team that has done it, I wonder why take that gamble.  Slower at straights but better and slightly faster at corners?  They surely have the driver who has the style for it in Sebastian Vettel imho.

Anyway, we can’t read Italian, did that write up say the second type of car is surely slower and ‘wrong’ or is it all just guess work of journalists?  Cos we’ve also had our experiences with football journos and they’re mostly bs most of the time.

Nothing has been confirmed yet but the rumors are:

2 cars using the second type and one should be Aston Martin.
2 cars are using a new thing and we can have a "Brawn GP" case with a huge advantage if it works
Mercedes may use a walrus f1 nose similar to the idea of old Williams.

Like this one.



Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/features/2016/2/surprises-from-car-launches-unveilings.html

By ‘Brawn GP case’, you mean a loop hole found by a small team?  So meaning when you said ‘wrong type of car’ by Aston Martin, you were saying they found something to exploit within the bounds of the rules even if it’s somewhat illegal...? Yeah, no one can discount it from happening since every team is designing and engineering their cars from scratch.  Makes me even more excited about the coming season if that’s the case.
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Yesterday the Aprilia duo looked very fierce and hot in the pre-season test on the first day at the Sepang circuit, but today I saw a new surprise from Enea Bastianini who at the same time managed to set a new time as the fastest record in one lap and this is obviously very amazing because of him. (Enea Bastianini) is in the satellite Ducati team riding a Ducati GP21 (last year's bike) so Enea Bastianini deserves to be reckoned with in this season in MotoGP.

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"Big changes for Honda this year, completely different approach with their bike and the most noticeable change is the rear end"
Source: https://www.instagram.com/crashnet_motogp/

However, in my opinion, what has changed in Honda for this year is the engine power and also the faster rotation in the traction so that it becomes easier to find the best time and this is also based on changes in other areas such as physical form in general.

What do you guys think?
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What other teams built the second type of car?  Just Aston Martin?  If they’re the only team that has done it, I wonder why take that gamble.  Slower at straights but better and slightly faster at corners?  They surely have the driver who has the style for it in Sebastian Vettel imho.

Anyway, we can’t read Italian, did that write up say the second type of car is surely slower and ‘wrong’ or is it all just guess work of journalists?  Cos we’ve also had our experiences with football journos and they’re mostly bs most of the time.

Nothing has been confirmed yet but the rumors are:

2 cars using the second type and one should be Aston Martin.
2 cars are using a new thing and we can have a "Brawn GP" case with a huge advantage if it works
Mercedes may use a walrus f1 nose similar to the idea of old Williams.

Like this one.



Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/features/2016/2/surprises-from-car-launches-unveilings.html
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Today has started the pre-season test at the Sepang circuit with a very impressive first day result, but tomorrow it looks like it will be even more interesting to watch because all the riders will work harder in terms of finding the best settings and filing their new bikes.

The following is the data on the results of the first day of tests at Sepang and a comparison of the top speed of all riders

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We will have 2 types of car as illustrated by Giorgio Piola this year:



Source: https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-monoposto-2022-aspettiamoci-due-filosofie-costruttive/7831710/


The car above is speculated to be the fasted type while the second draw should be for a slower car but easier to set it up.

Aston Martin for now should be the only known using the second type of car.


Hass in the 1st idea.

What other teams built the second type of car?  Just Aston Martin?  If they’re the only team that has done it, I wonder why take that gamble.  Slower at straights but better and slightly faster at corners?  They surely have the driver who has the style for it in Sebastian Vettel imho.

Anyway, we can’t read Italian, did that write up say the second type of car is surely slower and ‘wrong’ or is it all just guess work of journalists?  Cos we’ve also had our experiences with football journos and they’re mostly bs most of the time.
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Looks like there is something to be gained and something to be lost by making 1 of the two choices.Hopefully these choices can impact the overall performance of F1 in general as last year Redbull won it but it was like it was forced to win as Mercedes come up real strong the second part of the Championship.I think Ferrari should be a stronger contender this year since they have been working on this car since late 2020 so maybe they are somewhat ahead of the competition but it is all to see what will happen in the pre-season tests in Barcelona and Qatar.
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The car above is speculated to be the fasted type while the second draw should be for a slower car but easier to set it up.
Aston Martin for now should be the only known using the second type of car.
Hass in the 1st idea.

I was reading exactly about these new cars, and a curiosity I saw is that for this year the focus on the new models is aerodynamics. The idea is to allow races to have closer pursuits and drivers to get closer than ever before carrying out an overtake, an alternative that is both fascinating for those watching and physically interesting for delivering the highest possible speed for attacks with the minimal aerodynamic loss.
I just hope they know the right time to turn the wheel too, as a few milliseconds of delay makes a lot of meters difference at 300km/h
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We will have 2 types of car as illustrated by Giorgio Piola this year:



Source: https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-monoposto-2022-aspettiamoci-due-filosofie-costruttive/7831710/


The car above is speculated to be the fasted type while the second draw should be for a slower car but easier to set it up.

Aston Martin for now should be the only known using the second type of car.


Hass in the 1st idea.
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Haas design looks pretty much same like previous season. But I think it was difficult to expect something more from them. Russian flag in livery - how unexpected Smiley. I'm waiting for Alpine to show their car - last season they had most beautiful car.

Then we will have the test sessions, which is still too early, hell even first one or two races are usually not enough to predict anything but you would know some stuff. So this is basically just something that we could consider as "it is getting closer" and that's fine by me.
I read that there won't be much data from Barcelona tests. There won't be TV coverage, spectators and journalists in track, probably no live timing too. Only tests in Bahrain will be more public.
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The 1st car is here and it is a Haas.



Source: https://twitter.com/HaasF1Team/status/1489554296995733505/photo/1

Looks pretty cool and they should using the most used configuration, need to see Aston Martin see a completely different idea.
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Ferrari is ready.



Source: https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1489285482555002886

Meanwhile, Aston Martin is rumored to have a different style of his car and probably they did a wrong car.
I can't wait to see the cars. Most of them will be this month and that is a good enough reason to actually try to start predicting stuff. I know that it would be WAY too early, but we would at least know who cared and who didn't. Like just to give an example you would know Haas didn't care about their car by just looking at it, or you would know Red Bull cared a lot by just looking at it.

Then we will have the test sessions, which is still too early, hell even first one or two races are usually not enough to predict anything but you would know some stuff. So this is basically just something that we could consider as "it is getting closer" and that's fine by me.
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^  Yeah Mercedes to be the favorite to win both championships is really expected.  But Ferrari having the car to go for second, not too sure with RBR def having the chance to compete for first.  I mean if it’s either Mercedes or Red Bull that go win the whole thing it means Ferrari just goes for third at best.  But the gap between who ever’s third and Merc - RBR could be way smaller because of the new specs.  So we’ll see...  I’m hoping for an interesting and surprising season...  With a twist.  But that’s too much to ask.  Lol.

 Honestly, considering the fact that it was closer between RBR and Mercedes this year, and considering there will be new cars coming up next season if something unexpected happens, then this is the season for it. We still do not know what will happen, maybe Mercedes will still dominate because they have the engine for it and the engine is a major part of the deal, we all remember how Hamilton did when he had a small change in his engine, dude went from 20th to 1st in a weekend thanks to it. So I do not know if I would expect Mercedes to be worse. But with the new cars, we could expect others to get better and that could make things more interesting.

Maybe...  We’ll see.  All cars are starting their designs from scratch.  Gone are the days when some teams were using designs from the bigger teams of seasons prior.  Like Aston Martin’s 2021 car was a clone of Mercedes’ car of 2020 or was it 2019.  But you get the point.  This coming season everything is from scratch.  So if anything I think Red Bull could have the advantage.  They got the best car designer and engineer in Adrian Newey.





Meanwhile, Aston Martin is rumored to have a different style of his car and probably they did a wrong car.

I fear it could be Vettel’s last season at Aston Martin.  There are rumors swirling around that there would be up to 11 seats available after this season.  So Vettel could prolly take one of those seats.  Crossing my fingers for Williams.  I think they’re on the up with the new specs.
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I think they will still equal the dominance of light blue. Yamaha is still in dark blue and a black combination with main sponsor Monster Energy.
Actually I don't really care about the livery color of the bike, I'm happy with the performance of their bike although I have my own favorite color. 
Oh it's amazing if you also have your own favorite color in MotoGP, and if I may ask what color it is and in which team? because there are already several teams that have launched their livery for this season now.

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Right now I can't wait for the race because it's been a long time. Ducati, Yamaha, Zuzuki and Honda then there's Aprillia, it might be a lot of surprises but last year's Ducati performance certainly made them favourites this year.
It's clear because the benchmark for the highest performance last year was on Ducati, although the Ducati Handling section was still a bit poor compared to Suzuki, but for this year, Ducati's competitors will also make new, improved performances even though Ducati also doesn't stay silent about this because still trying to become World champion as their main target.
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Ferrari is ready.



Source: https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1489285482555002886



Meanwhile, Aston Martin is rumored to have a different style of his car and probably they did a wrong car.
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Obviously I talked about this in the wrong place Cheesy I mean of course you guys are going to agree with me, this is basically the most common talking point in F1. However, the outside world do not thinks about this as the same thing.

I have talked with friends and most of them thinks this is something you do with your brain and your talents and that's it, sure of course body matters a bit, like you can't be out of shape fat person but you do not have to be physically as fit as football or basketball players. That's not true, the amount of g force these guys get every single race and the amount of weight they lose every single race is the proof that they are forcing their own body to limits every single time.
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Now for tomorrow it's the turn of the Yamahan Factory Racing team and also the Suzuki Ecstar team who will soon launch their Livery this season, so at first glance, do you think they will both get a slight change in color or will it be exactly the same as last year?
Please predict my friends

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I think they will still equal the dominance of light blue. Yamaha is still in dark blue and a black combination with main sponsor Monster Energy.
Actually I don't really care about the livery color of the bike, I'm happy with the performance of their bike although I have my own favorite color. 

Right now I can't wait for the race because it's been a long time. Ducati, Yamaha, Zuzuki and Honda then there's Aprillia, it might be a lot of surprises but last year's Ducati performance certainly made them favourites this year.
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After independent teams like Pramac Racing who still use Ducati engines launched their Livery for this season which was yesterday to be exact.

Now for tomorrow it's the turn of the Yamahan Factory Racing team and also the Suzuki Ecstar team who will soon launch their Livery this season, so at first glance, do you think they will both get a slight change in color or will it be exactly the same as last year?
Please predict my friends

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When I read your post, I literally hear that Kimi team radio about drink in my head Cheesy. You're right, F1 and racing series drivers should be physically fit. It's not only about losing weight. They also experience so much G force during braking, going trough corners or during crash. What if you will put someoneinto the car who isn't read for it and they may be some very bad consequences.
Because they are in a machine and you do not see them physically do the work all that much, people do not realize any of this. Hell even getting that much g force during braking without doing anything else, literally just sit down and let some system give you the g force these drivers are getting while you are simply just watching in front of your TV and people would understand the difficulty of it.

However since Messi scores goals and they see it, or Lebron jumps really hard or Tyson punched really hard etc etc, people "saw" these players be in sports, because you do not see the drivers themselves and only like a small part of their helmet during the race, people do not realize how hard it is to their body. This is not just about talent and mental power or whatever, it is also very much about your body as well, you can't be just super talented and amazing but with a horrible fat body and still be good, impossible.

Yes, I agree. Just the fact that they just 'sit and drive' doesn't mean it's easy for them. In order to be among the very best drivers in the world, they also need to maintain healthy fitness.

As you said, fitness or physical endurance is visible to the fans of other sports like football or basketball, but it's not very visible to the viewers of F1. It feels like they are just 'driving'. But you know, the force while turning corners or while braking is real and it affects the body a lot.

I totally agree with you’ll that F1 drivers have to be sharp, plus they need to be mentally ready knowing that a car may just crash into them, and that one cannot feel when he’s watching the race. Furthermore being physically fit can help them deal with the pressure of racing, hence physical fitness of F1 drivers is very important even if viewers can’t understand it’s importance while viewing the race.
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When I read your post, I literally hear that Kimi team radio about drink in my head Cheesy. You're right, F1 and racing series drivers should be physically fit. It's not only about losing weight. They also experience so much G force during braking, going trough corners or during crash. What if you will put someoneinto the car who isn't read for it and they may be some very bad consequences.
Because they are in a machine and you do not see them physically do the work all that much, people do not realize any of this. Hell even getting that much g force during braking without doing anything else, literally just sit down and let some system give you the g force these drivers are getting while you are simply just watching in front of your TV and people would understand the difficulty of it.

However since Messi scores goals and they see it, or Lebron jumps really hard or Tyson punched really hard etc etc, people "saw" these players be in sports, because you do not see the drivers themselves and only like a small part of their helmet during the race, people do not realize how hard it is to their body. This is not just about talent and mental power or whatever, it is also very much about your body as well, you can't be just super talented and amazing but with a horrible fat body and still be good, impossible.

Yes, I agree. Just the fact that they just 'sit and drive' doesn't mean it's easy for them. In order to be among the very best drivers in the world, they also need to maintain healthy fitness.

As you said, fitness or physical endurance is visible to the fans of other sports like football or basketball, but it's not very visible to the viewers of F1. It feels like they are just 'driving'. But you know, the force while turning corners or while braking is real and it affects the body a lot.
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