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Quote from: Koal-84 on March 03, 2022, 08:49:44 AM

Max Verstappen has extended his contract with Red Bull until 2028.

Yeah, I don't know what to think about that. Presumably it means he thinks that this year's Red Bull car can challenge for the title, and is either the best or one of the best in the field. Otherwise I don't think he'd sign, I don't think money is his primary motivator, he just wants to win. But it's still kind of a gamble to make a long-term commitment right at the dawn of a new era, and before we've even had a chance to confirm for definite which cars are good.

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Quote from: tokeweed on March 02, 2022, 11:10:22 AM

Quote from: Koal-84 on March 01, 2022, 04:30:40 AM

As some of you may have read, the "ground effect" is bringing back an old problem that was last seen in the 80s, the so-called "porpoising". When the car sucks itself too far to the ground due to the high speed and sits up. It will certainly be interesting to see which team can tune and reduce this better and at the same time make optimum use of the ground effect in the slow sections.

https://www.focus.de/sport/formel1/autos-huepfen-auf-der-geraden-formel-1-hat-neues-problem-unterschaetzt-porpoising-nacht-ein-bisschen-krank_id_59646297.html

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.analysis-what-is-porpoising-and-why-is-it-causing-the-f1-teams-a-headache-at.6O93LlvFMyY81L9LfSutcS.html

Will be interesting which team can handle this at the best.

I heard Ferrari has less of the so called ‘porpoising’ when their cars have their DRS open. But there are some talks going around that the guys at McLaren figured out a way to eliminate it altogeher. It could even prolly give them a good shot to win a championship. I guess we’ll have to see at the test in Bahrain. It won’t be that long now...

And MotoGP guys, share some of your picks and betting tips. Been reading your posts and it looks like a lot of you are really deep into it.

When is the season starting?

So McLaren are the only team that use a different suspension, they use pullrods on the front axle and pushrods on the rear axle, I don't know if any other team has that, the top teams don't.

Ferrari we will see how they can deal with the porpoising, but the prerequisites are the same for all teams and I think after 5 races at the latest all teams will no longer have this problem.

Max Verstappen has extended his contract with Red Bull until 2028.

https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1499330774344122369?cxt=HHwWgoC-2afZ2M4pAAAA

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Eliot (Mercedes) is thinking about to copying the Redbull solution for the sides of the car.
They are called Sidepot.

I think the more info and rumors we got this year could be a fight between Ferrari and RedBull, they seems to have the better car so far.

Maybe. I know there is a lot of excitement about the Ferrari in particular. But I wouldn't write Mercedes off just yet... particularly as they came #1 and #2 in the first pre-season testing. I know pre-season testing is notoriously difficult to read, but still, I think people would have been surprised if Mercedes had finished it anywhere other than at or near the top of the pack.

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The MotoGP racers have arrived in Qatar today and tomorrow will start FP1. I personally can't wait to see them on the Qatar track in all the action which is probably going to be amazing too.
And I'm sure everyone will be working hard tomorrow to get their position on the grid well before the Race starts this Sunday.

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It's very interesting to see them all still on the MotoGP grid this season even though there are only three people who have won the primary class, namely Marquez, Joan Mir and Quartararo.
But it will be very interesting if this season there can be a new world champion in the MotoGP grid because considering there are many strong riders also this year who will compete on all the tracks that have been registered in the Dorna calendar.

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Eliot (Mercedes) is thinking about to copying the Redbull solution for the sides of the car.
They are called Sidepot.

I think the more info and rumors we got this year could be a fight between Ferrari and RedBull, they seems to have the better car so far.

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Mazepin was never really a good racer as we all know, dude just didn't really do anything that mattered and got nicknamed Mazespin for a reason. So for him, leaving wasn't really a big deal, and with his daddy money, he doesn't worth anything at all and that is why he will be kicked off easily.

Now the question is, who will replace him? Haas famously spent a lot of money on this year's car, and that should mean they must be at least not "clear last" team anymore, doesn't mean they won't be bad, it just means they won't be just going around without any passion anymore. So far for the past 2-3 years, they just stuck to the back of the grid and didn't even try, this year I was expecting them to try harder. The new driver needs to be a lot better than expected for something like this.

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Quote from: Jackl87 on March 02, 2022, 11:25:20 AM

i am pretty sure that the "porpoising" is a pretty simple problem to solve for most teams. I would guess that we won't see much porpoising anymore in 8 days when the second test in Bahrain will start, but we will see.

I don't know. The obvious way to get rid of it is raise the cars a bit higher, but anything you do in that regard reduces the ground-effect, and so slows the car.
There's an interesting article here explaining why it might cause a dilemma between qualifying and race-day... the porpoising isn't much of an issue with DRS open as it is in qualifying runs, but you're not allowed to change car set-up between qualifying and race. So do cars go for fastest possible qualifying with the car low to the ground, knowing it will mean porpoising during the race, or do they raise the body height and sacrifice qualifying performance in order for a smoother race?

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Quote from: Koal-84 on March 01, 2022, 04:30:40 AM

As some of you may have read, the "ground effect" is bringing back an old problem that was last seen in the 80s, the so-called "porpoising". When the car sucks itself too far to the ground due to the high speed and sits up. It will certainly be interesting to see which team can tune and reduce this better and at the same time make optimum use of the ground effect in the slow sections.

Will be interesting which team can handle this at the best.

I noticed the porpoising in the videos of the tests in Barcelona and i was surprised that those cars were going up and down so extremely. I also read though that Mercedes already had found a solution to that problem before the last day of the tests in Barcelona. They simply installed additional small struts in the rear section and the middle section of the car. This was just a temporary solution though but i am pretty sure that the "porpoising" is a pretty simple problem to solve for most teams. I would guess that we won't see much porpoising anymore in 8 days when the second test in Bahrain will start, but we will see.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on March 01, 2022, 04:30:40 AM

As some of you may have read, the "ground effect" is bringing back an old problem that was last seen in the 80s, the so-called "porpoising". When the car sucks itself too far to the ground due to the high speed and sits up. It will certainly be interesting to see which team can tune and reduce this better and at the same time make optimum use of the ground effect in the slow sections.

https://www.focus.de/sport/formel1/autos-huepfen-auf-der-geraden-formel-1-hat-neues-problem-unterschaetzt-porpoising-nacht-ein-bisschen-krank_id_59646297.html

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.analysis-what-is-porpoising-and-why-is-it-causing-the-f1-teams-a-headache-at.6O93LlvFMyY81L9LfSutcS.html

Will be interesting which team can handle this at the best.

I heard Ferrari has less of the so called ‘porpoising’ when their cars have their DRS open. But there are some talks going around that the guys at McLaren figured out a way to eliminate it altogeher. It could even prolly give them a good shot to win a championship. I guess we’ll have to see at the test in Bahrain. It won’t be that long now...

And MotoGP guys, share some of your picks and betting tips. Been reading your posts and it looks like a lot of you are really deep into it.

When is the season starting?

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Of the five rookies this year, who do you think will be the rookie of the year by making their best debut?
I prefer Mrco Bez72 as the best rookie of the year even though the race hasn't started yet, but because I saw him on a Ducati Gp21 bike and in the Pre-season test he has also shown a bit of a very positive performance.
So if in this year he can tame the Ducati bike very well, then he will be the rookie of the year. How about you guys?

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on March 01, 2022, 11:20:12 PM

Quote from: Koal-84 on March 01, 2022, 04:30:40 AM

As some of you may have read, the "ground effect" is bringing back an old problem that was last seen in the 80s, the so-called "porpoising". When the car sucks itself too far to the ground due to the high speed and sits up. It will certainly be interesting to see which team can tune and reduce this better and at the same time make optimum use of the ground effect in the slow sections.

https://www.focus.de/sport/formel1/autos-huepfen-auf-der-geraden-formel-1-hat-neues-problem-unterschaetzt-porpoising-nacht-ein-bisschen-krank_id_59646297.html

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.analysis-what-is-porpoising-and-why-is-it-causing-the-f1-teams-a-headache-at.6O93LlvFMyY81L9LfSutcS.html

Will be interesting which team can handle this at the best.

This shouldn't really be a big problem for them to handle. All they need is a bit more testing, and they could just reduce it based on the angles of the front wing and so forth, they could fail miserably for a while until they just get closer and closer and eventually will be able to find the optimum point.

I am not saying that it is "easy" but more like it is not difficult and takes time but could be done one way or another. That jumping back is not something you have to have, it is not something you are stuck with, adjust the car accordingly and lower the risk of jumping back up. It will be something no team would have by second race I imagine.

I do believe that some cars will face an issue due to this, but we’re in 2022 now so I believe an 80s problem can’t last for long, and as @RealMalatesta rightly said it’ll be sorted once they get a closer look. Furthermore dropping points can be costly for the teams over this issue, so let’s hope that they find a fix for this soon otherwise their title ambitions will take a hit.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on March 01, 2022, 04:30:40 AM

As some of you may have read, the "ground effect" is bringing back an old problem that was last seen in the 80s, the so-called "porpoising". When the car sucks itself too far to the ground due to the high speed and sits up. It will certainly be interesting to see which team can tune and reduce this better and at the same time make optimum use of the ground effect in the slow sections.

https://www.focus.de/sport/formel1/autos-huepfen-auf-der-geraden-formel-1-hat-neues-problem-unterschaetzt-porpoising-nacht-ein-bisschen-krank_id_59646297.html

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.analysis-what-is-porpoising-and-why-is-it-causing-the-f1-teams-a-headache-at.6O93LlvFMyY81L9LfSutcS.html

Will be interesting which team can handle this at the best.

This shouldn't really be a big problem for them to handle. All they need is a bit more testing, and they could just reduce it based on the angles of the front wing and so forth, they could fail miserably for a while until they just get closer and closer and eventually will be able to find the optimum point.

I am not saying that it is "easy" but more like it is not difficult and takes time but could be done one way or another. That jumping back is not something you have to have, it is not something you are stuck with, adjust the car accordingly and lower the risk of jumping back up. It will be something no team would have by second race I imagine.

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As some of you may have read, the "ground effect" is bringing back an old problem that was last seen in the 80s, the so-called "porpoising". When the car sucks itself too far to the ground due to the high speed and sits up. It will certainly be interesting to see which team can tune and reduce this better and at the same time make optimum use of the ground effect in the slow sections.

https://www.focus.de/sport/formel1/autos-huepfen-auf-der-geraden-formel-1-hat-neues-problem-unterschaetzt-porpoising-nacht-ein-bisschen-krank_id_59646297.html

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.analysis-what-is-porpoising-and-why-is-it-causing-the-f1-teams-a-headache-at.6O93LlvFMyY81L9LfSutcS.html

Will be interesting which team can handle this at the best.

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Jorge Lorenzo officially returns to MotoGP. Not as a racer, but as a commentator on DAZN, a television station in Spain.

"I came with humility, I can bring a lot of technical freshness and I know the bike perfectly," said Lorenzo, who joined lex Crivillé and Carlos Checa to form a trio of top-level analysts for MotoGP.

Lorenzo joins lex Crivillé and Carlos Checa (7 world titles between the three) to delve deeper into race analysis in MotoGP, as Mallorcan emphasizes:

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It is not going to matter at all if there are covid rules or not. Drivers do not really care about those type of things because they have to literally manage miliseconds worth of decisions, each and every second of their racing is life/death and could be the difference between being the best driver and being the worst. Obviously cars decide a lot for the drivers, Hamilton wouldn't be 7 time world champion with an aston martin or haas Cheesy

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But at the end of the day, he is the one that drives it and probably only one or two other racers could had 7 in a row with the best car, give it to mazepin and I guarantee you he would not be even in top 3 for most of those seasons.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on February 27, 2022, 01:43:44 PM

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According to Alonso, Ferrari and Mercedes are the 2 fastest car of the tests [...] Also the Redbull boss is "scared" about Ferrari

Mind games imho... I think those kind of statements from the likes of Horner should start making their rivals a bit worried. I mean why would Horner say they’re weak if they’re really weak? It’s like they’re giving up on the season without putting up a fight. But it could also be an acknowledgement that Ferrari could be in the running for a championship run this season? Wink

I can’t wait!

Yeah, I'd agree with that. If Red Bull are going out of their way to say they're scared of another car, that just makes me think Red Bull are really strong and everyone should be scared of Red Bull.
That said, yes, I'd love to see Ferrari back at the top too... it's where they should be. Is it realistic? Who knows?

Yup and if you noticed, every top team is doing it. Cheesy

It’s like they don’t want the added pressure and attention from the journos writing really great stuff about them. But really how much should we put some weight in pre season testing? I don’t think the top teams will push the cars to the limit. If anything getting more laps in could be higher priority. We’ll see at the next one.

And it looks like the cars are bouncing. They call it ‘porpoising’ and it could be this year’s issue for the teams. Ferrari doesn’t seem have it tho.

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Quote from: swogerino on February 27, 2022, 02:47:10 PM

I agree that nothing should be taken seriously during testing.I saw that Mercedes was on top of the tests but also McLaren was doing good together with Redbull with Perez being third.Nothing to be conclusive from such action.

Well, I suppose one thing we can reasonably conclude is that Red Bull are better than they appear - Verstappen is much faster than Perez, so if that is Perez's true position, then Verstappen's true postion should be some way above him.
We could maybe do that with all the teams, we know for most of them which is the better driver of the two. If the worst driver comes top in testing, then the team is better than they appear.

That's my thought, anyway. But maybe I am grasping at straws, desperate to learn something from these tests!

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Quote from: Cnut237 on February 27, 2022, 01:43:44 PM

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 26, 2022, 06:36:52 PM

According to Alonso, Ferrari and Mercedes are the 2 fastest car of the tests [...] Also the Redbull boss is "scared" about Ferrari

Mind games imho... I think those kind of statements from the likes of Horner should start making their rivals a bit worried. I mean why would Horner say they’re weak if they’re really weak? It’s like they’re giving up on the season without putting up a fight. But it could also be an acknowledgement that Ferrari could be in the running for a championship run this season? Wink

I can’t wait!

Yeah, I'd agree with that. If Red Bull are going out of their way to say they're scared of another car, that just makes me think Red Bull are really strong and everyone should be scared of Red Bull.
That said, yes, I'd love to see Ferrari back at the top too... it's where they should be. Is it realistic? Who knows?

Just a quick question, now that pre-season is along the way and most of the teams have tried testing and pushing their car to the limits (achieving that sweet 100-lap spot per car), is it possible to have some changes during the regular seasons? Are there any rules as to the deadline of adding any modifications to their cars; or as long as they comply with the prescribed F1 regulations they can make changes at any time?

Since Redbull is one of the teams that unveiled their cars first, will it be possible that they are hinting some new modifications in the near future?

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