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Quote from: Distraction on August 04, 2024, 11:10:28 AM

I really don't know... They didn't want to cause Piastri to lose the chance to get his first win because of a bad pit strategy. But I still believe it is good for only the short term. In my opinion, they should have thought about the long term the most. If Norris misses the title chance because of losing those 7 points, there would be no return from that. Sad

In that situation, I don't know what Zak Brown will have to say to Norris. But first we will see what Norris will do as of now. I didn't like his performance even a bit in Belgium. He was so slow compared to Piastri.

That would be a big explanation if Norris ends up 6 points behind Verstappen, but it doesn't look like it at the moment, Norris is not fast enough at the moment, Verstappen's lead should be enough, RedBull is not the fastest car at the moment, but it's always good for a podium, plus there will be improvements on almost all cars after the summer break.

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Quote from: karabiber on August 04, 2024, 09:49:38 AM

I'm looking forward to the developments in the summer break.

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Me too!
The fact is that Formula 1 goes on vacation with more unknowns than certainties...

After a monotonous start, Formula 1 has risen from the ashes and created good expectations for the second part of the 2024 season, because look... Red Bull has gone backwards and no longer has the best car, it would be a good opportunity for the However, competitors McLaren, Mercedes and Ferrari have not yet managed to make the most of this situation.

It is unquestionable that McLaren has the best car on the grid at the moment (my opinion), but Lando Norris and Oscar Piastri need to stop making so many mistakes if they still want to achieve more victories in the rest of the year, on the other hand Lewis Hamilton and George Russell proved who finally managed to come to terms with the regulations and left the whole world with very positive expectations for the post-holiday period.

The only thing that discourages me is seeing that Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz's team got lost along the way and now needs to work on solutions to the SF-24's problems... I hope they can recover.

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So Bastianini won today and he ate some points to Martin and Bagnaia.
I've only seen the latest 5 laps but I guess Martin got problem with his tyres since he was 1st and he lost 3 seconds in the end.
Same thing for Bagnana I have read he was 1st not so long before.

The race for the world title is still open.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 03, 2024, 12:14:08 PM

Why is McLaren so stupid now after the stable order? They gave away points there, they would have got the same number of points in the constructors' championship even if Norris had won, so I didn't understand the radio message, "Lando you can't win the championship on your own and let him pass", what was that all about there and now?

I really don't know... They didn't want to cause Piastri to lose the chance to get his first win because of a bad pit strategy. But I still believe it is good for only the short term. In my opinion, they should have thought about the long term the most. If Norris misses the title chance because of losing those 7 points, there would be no return from that. Sad

In that situation, I don't know what Zak Brown will have to say to Norris. But first we will see what Norris will do as of now. I didn't like his performance even a bit in Belgium. He was so slow compared to Piastri.

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Now things could get even more exciting in the MotoGP World Championship, suddenly Bastinini is no longer 50 points behind the new World Championship leader Martin. What were Ducati thinking letting Martin and Bastinini go, the possibility exists that the current Ducati world champion will not ride for Ducati next year, what a great move by Ducati 🤦

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I'm looking forward to the developments in the summer break. The uncertainty of Sergio Perez's situation is putting pressure on the driver and making Max's hegemony more and more felt. On the Red Bull side, I don't see a single positive strategy for him. Carlos Sainz is having a season of ups and downs. Sainz's performance has been the definition of instability. Let's see how the change will be reflected in the coming season.

Norris and Piastri have the wind at their backs at the moment. Everything is going well for them. I'm looking forward to see how their performances will continue after the break with Lewis Hamilton. If Charles Leclerc, George Russell and Fernando Alonso can shake off their bad luck, we're in for a good second half in F1. I'm looking forward to it.

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Once again, Enea Bastianini was able to maintain his rhythm and pace in today's race so that he was able to chase Pecco Bagnaia and Jorge Martin who were in front of him until they reached the finish line and won today. While his teammate was very unfortunate because he had to finish the race in third position even though he had led the race for several laps since the beginning. But because Bagnaia could not maintain the consistency of his lap time, he had to be willing to be overtaken by two new riders who also use Ducati engines.

A nice race today where 3 riders are competing for the 1st podium, Pecco leading for several laps then overtaken by Martin.
Martin lead for other several laps but Enea was trying hard and successfully overtake the 1st position from Martin and surprisingly made a nice gap.
Marq Marquez and Aleix were able to be on the leading group but the gap became bigger so they could not compete for the podium.
Congrats for Enea who won the Sprint race and the main Race, he needs more consistency for the upcoming races to prove that he is a great rider that should not be abandoned by Ducati.

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Quote from: Distraction on August 03, 2024, 09:53:58 AM

I have heard McLaren is planning to give priority to Norris during the rest of the season. Aren't they a little late for doing this? For example they could have done it easily in Hungary. But they didn't care about Norris at all.

McLaren shouldn't be selfish by thinking about only the constructor championship. Norris wouldn't be comfortable with that.

Maybe they don't have a hierarchy between their drivers normally. But when there is such situation, they should be thoughtful. I would say the same thing if Piastri was in Norris' place in the driver standings also of course.

McLaren may be performing well at the moment, but in terms of driver management they are still bad and RB is much better than that. They only focus on the constructor championship, and it doesn't matter which driver wins as long as they get points. That's not good in the long run, because we can see how Norris is not happy when Piastri is given the chance to win the race, when he should have won it. But that's the team, they won't know their mistake if it doesn't happen. Now the most important thing is how they can learn from their mistakes and understand the situation that Norris deserves to be given the chance to win the world title too.

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Once again, Enea Bastianini was able to maintain his rhythm and pace in today's race so that he was able to chase Pecco Bagnaia and Jorge Martin who were in front of him until they reached the finish line and won today. While his teammate was very unfortunate because he had to finish the race in third position even though he had led the race for several laps since the beginning. But because Bagnaia could not maintain the consistency of his lap time, he had to be willing to be overtaken by two new riders who also use Ducati engines.

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Quote from: Distraction on August 03, 2024, 09:53:58 AM

I have heard McLaren is planning to give priority to Norris during the rest of the season. Aren't they a little late for doing this?

Was hard for them to deny the 1st victory in F1 to Piastri for a "box" mistake.
It will never happen again for sure now expecially after the 1 win the driver got.

Imagine the situation in 2 month if Piastri is able to win and Norris needs points but Piastri have no wins.

I think it was a good call expecially Piastri got no wins before that race.

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Quote from: wiss19 on August 03, 2024, 01:48:34 PM

Well, it looks like Newey is leaving, Perez most definitely will leave, they lost Wheatley now, and their car is not dominant at all. All of these combined tells me that next year will be a very very difficult year for them, not going to be easy to manage a team that has this many missing pieces. During the season they need to start looking for members who will join and be great part of it next season.

Also let's remember that Horner had some legal issues as well, mostly mobbing so not a big deal but still an issue and that made things a little harder for them to focus on the team.

In the end, we are talking about not an easy situation for Red Bull coming up and if they have a terrible season next year, Max may want to leave. After all he has a window to reach 7, and if leaves Red Bull and joins a better team, like for example Mclaren right now, then he would have a bigger chance to win. A new car takes time to adjust, but that dude is a beast.

Red Bull is falling to pieces in time... The winner team is no more as of these partings. Especially Newey is a huge loss. As he has completed his duty with RB17 hypercar as far as I know, I assume he doesn't have much to do for this team from now on.

Perez is staying, Red Bull has announced it already. Yeah I know it doesn't make sense but this is the situation now. Sad

This will just hurt the team, not Verstappen clearly. Perez is just the teammate he would like in the end.

He doesn't want competition against himself. But we will see how much longer Red Bull can keep going like this. Especially if they lose the championship this year then they would take this more serious I assume.

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Quote from: Distraction on August 03, 2024, 09:53:58 AM

I have heard McLaren is planning to give priority to Norris during the rest of the season. Aren't they a little late for doing this? For example they could have done it easily in Hungary. But they didn't care about Norris at all.

McLaren shouldn't be selfish by thinking about only the constructor championship. Norris wouldn't be comfortable with that.

In fact, McLaren is fighting hard for the Constructors' World Championship, reducing Red Bull's advantage at each stage... they have already reduced 47 points in the last four races in the 2024 Formula 1 season. However, this does not mean that the team's priority will be the score in this classification as I believe that Zak Brown also dreams of the drivers' title.

The fact is that after 14 stages McLaren has 366 points against 408 for Red Bull, it is still high but this difference has plummeted in the last few races.
So, while Max Verstappen continues to complete the tests in the first places, Sérgio Pérez is not following the good results of the Dutchman and with this Lando Norris and Oscar Piastri are deducting good points, so much so that they have already surpassed the Ferrari that had started the year in second place.

So... whether I like it or not, I also believe that the priority should be the Constructors' World Championship, which at the moment is very favorable.

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Well, it looks like Newey is leaving, Perez most definitely will leave, they lost Wheatley now, and their car is not dominant at all. All of these combined tells me that next year will be a very very difficult year for them, not going to be easy to manage a team that has this many missing pieces. During the season they need to start looking for members who will join and be great part of it next season.

Also let's remember that Horner had some legal issues as well, mostly mobbing so not a big deal but still an issue and that made things a little harder for them to focus on the team.

In the end, we are talking about not an easy situation for Red Bull coming up and if they have a terrible season next year, Max may want to leave. After all he has a window to reach 7, and if leaves Red Bull and joins a better team, like for example Mclaren right now, then he would have a bigger chance to win. A new car takes time to adjust, but that dude is a beast.

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Quote from: Distraction on August 03, 2024, 09:53:58 AM

I have heard McLaren is planning to give priority to Norris during the rest of the season. Aren't they a little late for doing this? For example they could have done it easily in Hungary. But they didn't care about Norris at all.

McLaren shouldn't be selfish by thinking about only the constructor championship. Norris wouldn't be comfortable with that.

Why is McLaren so stupid now after the stable order? They gave away points there, they would have got the same number of points in the constructors' championship even if Norris had won, so I didn't understand the radio message, "Lando you can't win the championship on your own and let him pass", what was that all about there and now?

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Turns out that Carlos Sainz had declined Audi proposal after all.
Andrea Stella who is now the team principal of Mclearen signed a multy year contact extension.
The team now will have a very solid base with long contract for the team principal, and for both the drivers Lando Norris and Oscar Piastri.

Zak Brown did a very good move securing the continuation of this dream.

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I have heard McLaren is planning to give priority to Norris during the rest of the season. Aren't they a little late for doing this? For example they could have done it easily in Hungary. But they didn't care about Norris at all.

McLaren shouldn't be selfish by thinking about only the constructor championship. Norris wouldn't be comfortable with that.

Maybe they don't have a hierarchy between their drivers normally. But when there is such situation, they should be thoughtful. I would say the same thing if Piastri was in Norris' place in the driver standings also of course.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 03, 2024, 08:54:59 AM

For tomorrow Bagnaia has an optimal starting position to make up points on Martin, I don't think Aprilia has a big chance against the Ducatis in Silverstone, Bagnaia needs a good start then he could reel off his programme at the front, but now the sprint begins.

Too bad he crashed today on the Sprint Race which make him lose points to keep the gap with Martin.
Fortunately his teammate (Enea) was able to take the 1st position from Martin which make Pecco remain as the championship leader although with smaller point gap.
Bad luck for Marq as well as he also crashed while there are 2 laps remaining only.
Thumbs up for Enea who did the race really well today, seems that he wants to prove to Ducati that he is still a great rider who is actually deserve to stay at the Ducati Lenovo team.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 03, 2024, 08:54:59 AM

For tomorrow Bagnaia has an optimal starting position to make up points on Martin, I don't think Aprilia has a big chance against the Ducatis in Silverstone, Bagnaia needs a good start then he could reel off his programme at the front, but now the sprint begins.

Today's Sprint Race was very, very heart-pounding and Bagnaia is still the leader of the standings at this time even though he fell when he was in fourth position or more precisely when he was behind Aleix Espargaro. Likewise with Marquez who could not maintain his position when he was behind Aleix Espargaro because he also fell in the Sprint today, while Aleix Espargaro himself also could not maintain his leading position even though he was the pole position today.

And besides that I also have to congratulate Enea Bastianini who has successfully won the Sprint today and has managed to take third position in the standings by shifting Marquez to fourth position in the standings. I think there will be more surprises tomorrow if the circuit conditions are like today because Martin who was trying to take over the championship lead from Bagnaia was also unsuccessful today because he is still one point behind Bagnaia in the standings.

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For tomorrow Bagnaia has an optimal starting position to make up points on Martin, I don't think Aprilia has a big chance against the Ducatis in Silverstone, Bagnaia needs a good start then he could reel off his programme at the front, but now the sprint begins.

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After watching FP2, Q1 and Q2 it seems that Aprilia and Ducati will be equally strong on the Silverstone track in England in today's Sprint Race because Pecco Bagnaia who had broken Johan Zarco's time record which was set in 2022 in the Q2 session just now had to be satisfied with second place after Aleix Espargaro was able to record a much better time than Bagnaia. Meanwhile, Marquez himself still looks a little difficult since yesterday until today so he still has to follow other riders to be able to get a better time by utilizing his towing.

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