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July 24, 2024, 02:50:57 PM
Most likely McLaren with a Piastri upgrading his performances from race to race and Norris being there fighting and getting the pole,at least 2 this season shows that clearly Redbull is not the fastest car and they can consider lost their constructor title already.Perez is having difficulties getting many points for the team while at McLaren both drivers bring good points to the team,a nervous,very nervous Verstappen shows that Redbull has not everything under control any more.I need this last race that will be held this weekend in Belgium before the long break and if McLaren dominates in such a long track also it means that Redbull long dominance is long gone.
July 24, 2024, 02:41:42 PM
2024 FORMULA 1 DRIVERS' WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
Pos Driver Nat. Team Wins Points
1 Max Verstappen NED Oracle Red Bull Racing 7 265
2 Lando Norris GBR McLaren F1 Team 1 189
3 Charles Leclerc MON Scuderia Ferrari 1 162
4 Carlos Sainz ESP Scuderia Ferrari 1 154
5 Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren F1 Team 1 149
6 Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1 125
7 Sergio Perez MEX Oracle Red Bull Racing 0 124
8 George Russell GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1 116
9 Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team 0 45
10 Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team 0 24
This si the F1 Championship leaderboard after the hungarian Grand Prix.
2024 FORMULA 1 CONSTRUCTORS' WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
Pos Team Wins Points
1 Oracle Red Bull Racing 7 389
2 McLaren F1 Team 2 338
3 Scuderia Ferrari 2 322
And this is the constructors' championship
With This Mclearen and this Perez, I can see Norris fighting with Max until the end and Mclearen easly win the second Mondial
Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1052538/1/f1-world-championship-points-after-2024-hungarian-grand-prix
Pos Driver Nat. Team Wins Points
1 Max Verstappen NED Oracle Red Bull Racing 7 265
2 Lando Norris GBR McLaren F1 Team 1 189
3 Charles Leclerc MON Scuderia Ferrari 1 162
4 Carlos Sainz ESP Scuderia Ferrari 1 154
5 Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren F1 Team 1 149
6 Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1 125
7 Sergio Perez MEX Oracle Red Bull Racing 0 124
8 George Russell GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1 116
9 Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team 0 45
10 Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team 0 24
This si the F1 Championship leaderboard after the hungarian Grand Prix.
2024 FORMULA 1 CONSTRUCTORS' WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
Pos Team Wins Points
1 Oracle Red Bull Racing 7 389
2 McLaren F1 Team 2 338
3 Scuderia Ferrari 2 322
And this is the constructors' championship
With This Mclearen and this Perez, I can see Norris fighting with Max until the end and Mclearen easly win the second Mondial
Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1052538/1/f1-world-championship-points-after-2024-hungarian-grand-prix
July 24, 2024, 08:15:01 AM
What they asked Norris was simply just be fair, and Piastri was behind him only because they basically let him be there, and it would be fair to give Piastri what he deserves.
In the end, I understand why both Piastri and Norris would have been upset, it is not a clear win like they would want to, but this is the fair thing, this is how it has to be done for a team to be equal to both drivers.
McLaren developed a bad strategy for Piastri and caused him to be overtaken by Norris after last pit. I'm okay with that. However McLaren should have thought more thoroughly anyway. Norris has a more realistic chance to push for winning a championship now. It can't be denided I think considering McLaren is the fastest right now.In the end, I understand why both Piastri and Norris would have been upset, it is not a clear win like they would want to, but this is the fair thing, this is how it has to be done for a team to be equal to both drivers.
Piastri's first win could have been in a better way than this. Norris should have been given the win to collect 7 more very important points. Think about the chance he might even lose the championship because of that.
It looks like McLaren is prioritizing constructor championship, not Norris' chance.
I think it's clear that Norris should have been given the first place, even though it wasn't fair, and even though Piastri would have only lost because of team strategy, we should have still seen Norris win because those points mean something to Norris more than it means to Piastri.
It is obvious that they are going for constructors, because Perez sucks, and could even be fired during the season itself, whereas Piastri and Norris combined could beat Max, hence why they care about team title a lot more. But they should still not put this type of mistake for Norris, imagine if he loses at the end of the season with like just five points difference? That would make this decision even worse.
July 24, 2024, 07:35:58 AM
What they asked Norris was simply just be fair, and Piastri was behind him only because they basically let him be there, and it would be fair to give Piastri what he deserves.
In the end, I understand why both Piastri and Norris would have been upset, it is not a clear win like they would want to, but this is the fair thing, this is how it has to be done for a team to be equal to both drivers.
In the end, I understand why both Piastri and Norris would have been upset, it is not a clear win like they would want to, but this is the fair thing, this is how it has to be done for a team to be equal to both drivers.
McLaren developed a bad strategy for Piastri and caused him to be overtaken by Norris after last pit. I'm okay with that. However McLaren should have thought more thoroughly anyway. Norris has a more realistic chance to push for winning a championship now. It can't be denided I think considering McLaren is the fastest right now.
Piastri's first win could have been in a better way than this. Norris should have been given the win to collect 7 more very important points. Think about the chance he might even lose the championship because of that.
It looks like McLaren is prioritizing constructor championship, not Norris' chance.
It was nothing about who the team thinks should win or setting one driver to get first place over the other. Piastri was prolly the faster guy at the race. They need to got that 1 - 2 and that's all that mattered in Hungary for the team.
Some rumors about managers today
Adrian Newey has been offered €100m to join Aston Martin, the rumor for Ferrari was 50m €, so basically the double
Ferrari ex team principal Mattia Binotto will come back in F1.
Audi has confirmed Binotto as manager Today with others people like Sauber CEO Andreas Seidl and Oliver Hoffmann from Sauber.
Adrian Newey has been offered €100m to join Aston Martin, the rumor for Ferrari was 50m €, so basically the double
Ferrari ex team principal Mattia Binotto will come back in F1.
Audi has confirmed Binotto as manager Today with others people like Sauber CEO Andreas Seidl and Oliver Hoffmann from Sauber.
Oh nice... Would've loved to see Binotto as technical guy and design cars tho. But good to see him back. As for Newey, wow that's tempting. Looks like Aston Martin is really serious. But I don't think money will be a decision maker for Newey tho? Dunno.
July 23, 2024, 12:00:25 PM
Some rumors about managers today
Adrian Newey has been offered €100m to join Aston Martin, the rumor for Ferrari was 50m €, so basically the double
Ferrari ex team principal Mattia Binotto will come back in F1.
Audi has confirmed Binotto as manager Today with others people like Sauber CEO Andreas Seidl and Oliver Hoffmann from Sauber.
Adrian Newey has been offered €100m to join Aston Martin, the rumor for Ferrari was 50m €, so basically the double
Ferrari ex team principal Mattia Binotto will come back in F1.
Audi has confirmed Binotto as manager Today with others people like Sauber CEO Andreas Seidl and Oliver Hoffmann from Sauber.
I have also seen it. That's absolutely a huge offer.
Ferrari didn't even want to meet Newey's demands despite his expecting much less money. Plus, Newey was going to bring 20 engineers together with himself (They say it has been denied though).Newey is a great engineer. Why wouldn't Ferrari like to give their best to agree with him?
From now on, they have missed that train though as they have to pay much more money to equal Aston Martin offer.Binotto to Audi? Interesting. Binotto shouldn't actually be a boss for any team. Instead, he should do what he is doing best. I would like to see him showing his engineering skills.
July 23, 2024, 09:23:49 AM
Some rumors about managers today
Adrian Newey has been offered €100m to join Aston Martin, the rumor for Ferrari was 50m €, so basically the double
Ferrari ex team principal Mattia Binotto will come back in F1.
Audi has confirmed Binotto as manager Today with others people like Sauber CEO Andreas Seidl and Oliver Hoffmann from Sauber.
Adrian Newey has been offered €100m to join Aston Martin, the rumor for Ferrari was 50m €, so basically the double
Ferrari ex team principal Mattia Binotto will come back in F1.
Audi has confirmed Binotto as manager Today with others people like Sauber CEO Andreas Seidl and Oliver Hoffmann from Sauber.
July 23, 2024, 08:00:31 AM
What they asked Norris was simply just be fair, and Piastri was behind him only because they basically let him be there, and it would be fair to give Piastri what he deserves.
In the end, I understand why both Piastri and Norris would have been upset, it is not a clear win like they would want to, but this is the fair thing, this is how it has to be done for a team to be equal to both drivers.
In the end, I understand why both Piastri and Norris would have been upset, it is not a clear win like they would want to, but this is the fair thing, this is how it has to be done for a team to be equal to both drivers.
McLaren developed a bad strategy for Piastri and caused him to be overtaken by Norris after last pit. I'm okay with that. However McLaren should have thought more thoroughly anyway. Norris has a more realistic chance to push for winning a championship now. It can't be denided I think considering McLaren is the fastest right now.
Piastri's first win could have been in a better way than this. Norris should have been given the win to collect 7 more very important points. Think about the chance he might even lose the championship because of that.
It looks like McLaren is prioritizing constructor championship, not Norris' chance.
July 23, 2024, 07:40:22 AM
"You are are child" or something like that they said to Max Verstappen, crazy what they have said to him.
The race was fun to see in the latest 10 laps, and with hot temperatures Ferrari got some sprint as expected.
Mclaren is clearly the best car in the F1 right now.
The race was fun to see in the latest 10 laps, and with hot temperatures Ferrari got some sprint as expected.
Mclaren is clearly the best car in the F1 right now.
That's what I've been saying for a month now... McLaren has the best car and it was starting to be obvious a couple of months ago. They just need their drivers to listen like when at Silverstone I think both Piastri and Norris were told to double stack but they avoided it. It cost them the 1 - 2.
As for Verstappen, this is the part of the season when it becomes interesting because you'll see the Verstappen of old. He's gonna be reckless out there.
July 22, 2024, 11:49:23 AM
What many people who watched it do not understand is that, if they preferred Piastri over Norris during the race strategy, Piastri would have been a mile ahead, and Norris would have been closer to Hamilton, and maybe not even be second as well. What they did, was give Norris the better strategy, so that Piastri was already ahead, so while he would take a hit like Norris would have, the hit would have been less.
Assume that you have a car at first, with 5 seconds ahead of everyone, and a car that is second 1 second ahead of the third, or you have a car at first 1 second ahead of second, and a car at second 10 seconds ahead of third. Which would you prefer? They gave Piastri worse strategy, because he was far more ahead, that's why Norris was ahead of Piastri, they could have used undercut on Piastri too, then ruin Norris. What they asked Norris was simply just be fair, and Piastri was behind him only because they basically let him be there, and it would be fair to give Piastri what he deserves.
In the end, I understand why both Piastri and Norris would have been upset, it is not a clear win like they would want to, but this is the fair thing, this is how it has to be done for a team to be equal to both drivers.
Assume that you have a car at first, with 5 seconds ahead of everyone, and a car that is second 1 second ahead of the third, or you have a car at first 1 second ahead of second, and a car at second 10 seconds ahead of third. Which would you prefer? They gave Piastri worse strategy, because he was far more ahead, that's why Norris was ahead of Piastri, they could have used undercut on Piastri too, then ruin Norris. What they asked Norris was simply just be fair, and Piastri was behind him only because they basically let him be there, and it would be fair to give Piastri what he deserves.
In the end, I understand why both Piastri and Norris would have been upset, it is not a clear win like they would want to, but this is the fair thing, this is how it has to be done for a team to be equal to both drivers.
July 22, 2024, 05:01:43 AM
"You are are child" or something like that they said to Max Verstappen, crazy what they have said to him.
The race was fun to see in the latest 10 laps, and with hot temperatures Ferrari got some sprint as expected.
Mclaren is clearly the best car in the F1 right now.
The race was fun to see in the latest 10 laps, and with hot temperatures Ferrari got some sprint as expected.
Mclaren is clearly the best car in the F1 right now.
I totally agree. How can Verstappen be acting like a child there?
He clearly states how terrible Red Bull was with the strategies. Maybe he put it in a really strict way but he should be tolerated for that honestly.He continued furiously during post-race interview too.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-tells-critics-to-f-off-after-hungarian-gp/10637327/
McLaren is way ahead of Red Bull now. I even question Red Bull's place against Mercedes as well. Because you have seen how much Verstappen struggled to overtake Hamilton. I'm really having fun in this season honestly. Finally we have a season without a one-man domination.
July 21, 2024, 11:05:18 PM
Piastri for the first time in his career won the race after a long drama between him, Lando, and Max. He really deserved it. But once again, McLaren finished the race quite chaotically, especially Lando, he was increasingly impatient to win the race and didn't seem to want to give his teammate a chance. Luckily he was still willing to give Piastri space for P1.
And this time we see the many blunders made by Max and how their strategy is quite messy. This indicates that currently RB is increasingly being chased by other teams. That's a good thing and it's the competition I've been waiting for, and it makes F1 even more exciting to watch.
And this time we see the many blunders made by Max and how their strategy is quite messy. This indicates that currently RB is increasingly being chased by other teams. That's a good thing and it's the competition I've been waiting for, and it makes F1 even more exciting to watch.
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I think Norris should have been the winner. Piastri messes up but still dares to take the lead? I assume McLaren doesn't care about Norris' chance for a championship. We are only in the middle of the season and Red Bull isn't like in the past.
McLaren definitely has the data so they can tell Lando to give Piastri the go, but I admit that the way McLaren manages their drivers is not good at all, there are a lot of mistakes, and it makes both of their current drivers quite disappointed. Especially when he was on the podium, there we could see how Lando didn't give any reaction to Piastri, who had just won his first race. I know that he is quite disappointed, but he has to mature and not blame his teammate who only received orders to lead the race and was also not happy enough with the result he got, even though it was P1. Even someone who often has beef with his teammate, Nico, gave recommendations to the McLaren team in the interview session, and it also makes sense seeing how they treat their drivers.
July 21, 2024, 12:48:12 PM
"You are are child" or something like that they said to Max Verstappen, crazy what they have said to him.
The race was fun to see in the latest 10 laps, and with hot temperatures Ferrari got some sprint as expected.
Mclaren is clearly the best car in the F1 right now.
The race was fun to see in the latest 10 laps, and with hot temperatures Ferrari got some sprint as expected.
Mclaren is clearly the best car in the F1 right now.
July 21, 2024, 12:07:52 PM
Piastri for the first time in his career won the race after a long drama between him, Lando, and Max. He really deserved it. But once again, McLaren finished the race quite chaotically, especially Lando, he was increasingly impatient to win the race and didn't seem to want to give his teammate a chance. Luckily he was still willing to give Piastri space for P1.
And this time we see the many blunders made by Max and how their strategy is quite messy. This indicates that currently RB is increasingly being chased by other teams. That's a good thing and it's the competition I've been waiting for, and it makes F1 even more exciting to watch.
And this time we see the many blunders made by Max and how their strategy is quite messy. This indicates that currently RB is increasingly being chased by other teams. That's a good thing and it's the competition I've been waiting for, and it makes F1 even more exciting to watch.
I got so bored in the race honestly but it wasn't a thing that I didn't expect, so...
There were some interesting incidents happened during the race as well though just as you mentioned. Verstappen was right about complaining. That early pit by Hamilton ruined the plans. Red Bull should have acted faster than Mercedes. Verstappen's anger caused him to make a big mistake and paid for it later.
I think Norris should have been the winner. Piastri messes up but still dares to take the lead? I assume McLaren doesn't care about Norris' chance for a championship. We are only in the middle of the season and Red Bull isn't like in the past.
July 21, 2024, 11:11:45 AM
Piastri for the first time in his career won the race after a long drama between him, Lando, and Max. He really deserved it. But once again, McLaren finished the race quite chaotically, especially Lando, he was increasingly impatient to win the race and didn't seem to want to give his teammate a chance. Luckily he was still willing to give Piastri space for P1.
And this time we see the many blunders made by Max and how their strategy is quite messy. This indicates that currently RB is increasingly being chased by other teams. That's a good thing and it's the competition I've been waiting for, and it makes F1 even more exciting to watch.
And this time we see the many blunders made by Max and how their strategy is quite messy. This indicates that currently RB is increasingly being chased by other teams. That's a good thing and it's the competition I've been waiting for, and it makes F1 even more exciting to watch.
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July 21, 2024, 10:24:53 AM
Once again, Toprak was unstoppable at the Czech WSBK event since FP1, FP2, FP3, Superpole, Race1, SPRace and Race2. He really has become extraordinary enough that Ducati riders can't do much in every race and that will certainly make Toprak a candidate to win WSBK this year. Apart from that, I also congratulate the Indonesian rider in the WSSP300 class because he managed to get the 3rd podium today after starting the race from 33rd place. This is truly extraordinary for Aldi Satya Mahendra because he uses a Yamaha R3 motorbike.
July 21, 2024, 10:09:46 AM
He was 4.50 before all the free practice session started. I'm not really sure why the books never adjusted their lines to the info that McLaren has the best car that gets them pole position. But at the race takes strategy and McLaren seems lacking at that for some reason. They could mess it up for Norris and have either Verstappen get it or Piastri.
Piastri is at 7.50.
Piastri is at 7.50.
That is still a big opportunity for gamblers truthfully.
McLaren has made huge progress and they are getting more trusted in time. At the moment the odds are like Norris 1.73, Verstappen 2.60 for the win. This shows how much competitive race is waiting for us clearly. If Piastri can't overtake Norris at the start, his duty would be to keep Verstappen as much as possible. But can he? We will see. About Perez's renewing his contract, it is all because of Verstappen. He is satisfied with no competition from his teammate. But Red Bull must be looking for an alternative driver already and they had better be.
He did and McLaren gave him the position back because they lost it in the pit stops.However since the fault was of Piastri when he got off track and got from near 5 seconds to 1.7 seconds to Norris was the key point that was not taken into consideration by McLaren.For me Lando should have kept the win yet it shows how not logical are these guys at the paddock,all of them and not just McLaren,at Redbull they made errors today.The only team that hit it right was Mercedes.
July 21, 2024, 07:55:01 AM
He was 4.50 before all the free practice session started. I'm not really sure why the books never adjusted their lines to the info that McLaren has the best car that gets them pole position. But at the race takes strategy and McLaren seems lacking at that for some reason. They could mess it up for Norris and have either Verstappen get it or Piastri.
Piastri is at 7.50.
Piastri is at 7.50.
That is still a big opportunity for gamblers truthfully.
McLaren has made huge progress and they are getting more trusted in time. At the moment the odds are like Norris 1.73, Verstappen 2.60 for the win. This shows how much competitive race is waiting for us clearly. If Piastri can't overtake Norris at the start, his duty would be to keep Verstappen as much as possible. But can he? We will see. About Perez's renewing his contract, it is all because of Verstappen. He is satisfied with no competition from his teammate. But Red Bull must be looking for an alternative driver already and they had better be.
July 21, 2024, 07:38:09 AM
^ Wait... What do you mean new contract? Like an extension to his current contract that would have him stay at RBR beyond this season? 
I hope that's not it because that would be hilariously so dumb of Red Bull.
He was 4.50 before all the free practice session started. I'm not really sure why the books never adjusted their lines to the info that McLaren has the best car that gets them pole position. But at the race takes strategy and McLaren seems lacking at that for some reason. They could mess it up for Norris and have either Verstappen get it or Piastri.
Piastri is at 7.50.
I hope that's not it because that would be hilariously so dumb of Red Bull.Norris takes the pole position, big congrats to him!
Full results:
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1025824/f1-qualifying-results-red-bull-star-crashes-out-in-q1-as-ricciardo-tops-times/
Norris was already the biggest favourite for the pole by bookies before the session started. He met the expectations by an impressive lap time. I was thinking Verstappen would be right between Norris and Piastri both I was wrong. Piastri was really incredible today.
McLarens are on their lucky day also. Because Tsunoda's crash caused a red flag and Verstappen couldn't go for another fast lap. Probably he didn't have fresh tyres left. A really good race might be waiting for us tomorrow. Perez also crashed and said goodbye in Q1 already. I didn't understand what was wrong with Russell though. He was terrible...
Full results:
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1025824/f1-qualifying-results-red-bull-star-crashes-out-in-q1-as-ricciardo-tops-times/
Norris was already the biggest favourite for the pole by bookies before the session started. He met the expectations by an impressive lap time. I was thinking Verstappen would be right between Norris and Piastri both I was wrong. Piastri was really incredible today.
McLarens are on their lucky day also. Because Tsunoda's crash caused a red flag and Verstappen couldn't go for another fast lap. Probably he didn't have fresh tyres left. A really good race might be waiting for us tomorrow.
Perez also crashed and said goodbye in Q1 already. I didn't understand what was wrong with Russell though. He was terrible...He was 4.50 before all the free practice session started. I'm not really sure why the books never adjusted their lines to the info that McLaren has the best car that gets them pole position. But at the race takes strategy and McLaren seems lacking at that for some reason. They could mess it up for Norris and have either Verstappen get it or Piastri.
Piastri is at 7.50.
July 20, 2024, 12:41:41 PM
What a disaster once again for Perez.
They just signed a new contract with him but he deserves only to be fired.
Many drivers just could do better then him.
Disappointment for Russell he often wants to 4head the race and often he just to the wrong choice, this time with fuel and rain.
They just signed a new contract with him but he deserves only to be fired.
Many drivers just could do better then him.
Disappointment for Russell he often wants to 4head the race and often he just to the wrong choice, this time with fuel and rain.
July 20, 2024, 12:28:22 PM
Haas has not announced Magnussen's direct replacement in the team for 2025. But the team had already confirmed, at the beginning of the month, that it will have the young Brit Oliver Bearman among its starters for the next championship. Hülkenberg is also leaving the team, in an announcement made in April.
I also believe that Ocon should be announced at Haas to complete the team.
Regarding Ricciardo, I also think he should go to Red Bull next year... His return easily replaces Nyck De Vries, who performed well below expectations and is another step in Ricciardo's readaptation to the category , who only did tests in simulators and rode in the current Red Bull a few days ago at Silverstone.
Even Red Bull boss Christian Horner let it slip that he thinks Ricciardo's goal is to steal Perez's position in 2025, so Ricciardo's entry would depend on that departure.
I am glad that Bearman is getting the attention he deserves, I remember the race he had and he was quite good, it would be very bad for him to keep missing years of his time. Remember, Max was just a teen when he got to F1 but he was good and he proved to be a right choice by Red Bull as well. I also think that Sainz could go to Haas as well, many good reasons for something like that to happen as well. I mean like mentioned, it is just one season, after that in 2026 we are going to see Audi join, and that means Sainz will be there, the deal is already done, one of the reasons why Ferrari got Hamilton instead, to be fair you do not need a reason to get Hamilton, it is Hamilton, but they still knew Sainz would leave.I also believe that Ocon should be announced at Haas to complete the team.
Regarding Ricciardo, I also think he should go to Red Bull next year... His return easily replaces Nyck De Vries, who performed well below expectations and is another step in Ricciardo's readaptation to the category , who only did tests in simulators and rode in the current Red Bull a few days ago at Silverstone.
Even Red Bull boss Christian Horner let it slip that he thinks Ricciardo's goal is to steal Perez's position in 2025, so Ricciardo's entry would depend on that departure.
So for one season alone, Sainz would be able to actually help Bearman be the best version of himself, help a newbie driver, while not being out of the league, and keep training basically. Yes he will not win anything with Haas, but he will be racing, and then he will go to a "possibly" better team.
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