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Quote from: AprilioMP on June 05, 2024, 09:26:18 PM

I just found out today when opening X to see the latest information in several fields that I interested in including MotoGP.

Breaking News, MM to Partner Pecco in Ducati Lenovo Tim in 2025. That's what I got in the MotoGP account.

Is it because of the progress he showed this season or because of the Ducati business in attracting sponsors?
In terms of race in several races, Marquez is very good, The Baby Alien seems to return to his heyday when with Honda.
Or lest because of business and to revive rivalry like when Valentino has not retired.

This is not seen from just one side, but from several sides, such as the podiums obtained by Marquez in several races this season as well as the marketing appeal that Marquez has which can also have an impact on sponsors who often follow Marquez himself. This caused Audi, VW and Ducati to become interested in recruiting Marquez rather than recruiting Jorge Martin, but Jorge Martin himself also did not suffer a loss because Martin had got an Aprilia factory seat next season even though Martin left disappointed with the Aprilia factory.

I saw it more to the appeal of the sponsors and the appearance shown by Marquez in several series of this year's race season. That is why I asked the reason Marc Marquez was drawn to the Lenovo team Ducati to become a colleague of Pecco Bagnaia. Understandably I don't understand the Moto GP but interested in always trying to be able to watch in every race series.

The popularity of Jorge Martin is not as high as Marc Marquez in my opinion which began to follow the development of MotoGP. Formerly since Vale and Lorenzo had not yet retired, Marc Marquez's name was also discussed and almost everyone knew Marquez. Maybe in terms of sponsors this can be justified.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 07, 2024, 03:54:42 PM

Cars got some upgrades today.

Redbull got a new rear wing, and some changes on the front one.
Mercedes changed the front suspension, Front corner.
Ferrari and Mclarens has no updates.

Also Verstappen asked for more upgrades cause RBR is loosing the gap Grin

And the results were not very satisfying, because in the FP1 and FP2 sessions Max did not get good performance and had poor grip. However, I don't know whether in the qualifying session they will be able to improve their strategy to be able to face the race, but if they can't improve it is very likely that Max will only be in the top 5, just like yesterday's Monaco race.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 07, 2024, 03:54:42 PM

Cars got some upgrades today.

Redbull got a new rear wing, and some changes on the front one.
Mercedes changed the front suspension, Front corner.
Ferrari and Mclarens has no updates.

Also Verstappen asked for more upgrades cause RBR is loosing the gap Grin

Mercedes is trying to improve its performance, which is certainly not the best....

They are "trying" to end the phase of bad results in the 2024 Formula 1 season, but I don't know if their new front wing for both cars at the Canadian GP will do much of a miracle. They are struggling to find the performance and consistency necessary to fight for leadership.

The fact is that it is quite unusual to see a dominant team for so long in F1, facing so many difficulties and lacking speed compared to its main competitors. Mercedes' best result so far this year was in Monaco, where George Russell took P5 and Lewis Hamilton P7. And the most curious thing is that Hamilton didn't even use the new front wing in that race, only Russell.

The drop in performance compared to last year raises questions about how such a strong and experienced team allowed this to happen. Was it the "sidepod zero" that, let's face it, was very unsuccessful? I don't know why they insisted so much and took more than a year to abandon that concept... it's clear that to this day Mercedes still feels the consequences of that choice.

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Cars got some upgrades today.

Redbull got a new rear wing, and some changes on the front one.
Mercedes changed the front suspension, Front corner.
Ferrari and Mclarens has no updates.

Also Verstappen asked for more upgrades cause RBR is loosing the gap Grin

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Rain "used to be" a good thing for formula one, nowadays they just do not make them race because of the risk and that's about it. We have seen so many times where they just straight up did not race at all, and they ended up basically with some red flags, and they ended up with rain making the race start later, and not finish a full race as well because they have certain hours that they can race until.

So, all of this combined means that we are not going to really see a big rainy race. Either we will have a lot of rain and no proper race, or we will not see that much rain at all, there is no both rain and race at the same time. Back in the day they did it, because they did not care about security that much, nowadays that's very important.

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Quote from: AprilioMP on June 05, 2024, 09:26:18 PM

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So not it is official.

Marques will be Bagnaia team mate from next season, and he will probably beat him. Imho.

I just found out today when opening X to see the latest information in several fields that I interested in including MotoGP.

Breaking News, MM to Partner Pecco in Ducati Lenovo Tim in 2025. That's what I got in the MotoGP account.

Is it because of the progress he showed this season or because of the Ducati business in attracting sponsors?
In terms of race in several races, Marquez is very good, The Baby Alien seems to return to his heyday when with Honda.
Or lest because of business and to revive rivalry like when Valentino has not retired.

For me, it's not too surprising that the Ducati factory team ultimately chose Marquez over Martin to be Bagnaia's partner because Marquez has appeared very competitive so far. Of course Ducati chose Marquez because Marquez would be very profitable for Ducati both from the business side, Marquez is already very famous and also Ducati has a very big chance of winning MotoGP with Marquez.

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^ It's higher according to an earlier post by coinlocket$. Around 48% by quali and 36% by race time. So that prolly means the chances of rain is going down as we come closer to the race? It's prolly just gonna be cloudy will no rain so that means the track might be a tad cooler which will make it a little harder to warm those tires. So given the bumpy road and the cooler tires, which team would perform better under these conditions?

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 06, 2024, 08:30:09 AM

^ And it's not just that. It looks like Ferrari's upgrades since Imola is finally seeing dividends. I hope it doesn't rain like what coinlocket$ said so we could get to see fair action on this track. I might bet small to win 100 bucks for Leclerc to get pole at qualifying. Grin

This could be the spot before the books adjust and recalibrate their lines.

It's also not just about confidence... It's about momentum too and Ferrari may well carry it out to Canada.

I see the precipitation for the time of qualifying and race are like this now:

Around 20% for qualifying time
18% for race time

But we will see. Weather can be really unpredictable sometimes. I would like to see some rain for teams to develop different strategies. It would make the race quite entertaining.

When it comes to Ferrari... I really want to see them doing a good job here. I think 100 bucks for Leclerc is a risk worth taking. Grin

Leclerc doesn't have any pole in Canada yet if I'm not wrong. But momentum is on his side indeed.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 06, 2024, 03:46:10 PM

So Weather prediction according to Google.

Precipitation for the day in the time of racing.

Friday 55%
Saturday 48%
Sunday 36%

It will be a fun week for sure. Sad that RBR has a free comeback for this track now.

So it seems that in these 3 sessions it will most likely rain? well, this might be quite an exciting race, because with the potential for rain, it will force the teams to provide their best strategy, and this might also be quite a chaotic race if the rain really falls in the middle of the race. However, I am quite optimistic that in this race Ferrari can get a podium, with or without rain, because of the good results of their upgrade and the confidence of Charles and Sainz in showing their best performance.

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Quote from: Volgastallion on June 05, 2024, 01:22:03 PM

I come late but, really Red Bull and Sergio Perez are extended their contract for two more years? What this mean?.

Well, according to this article, they decided to extend his contract because they believed he still could perform as a second driver and help them win the championship[1]. The writer speculates that the new contract will include a performance clause, which means they can end it sooner if he fails to perform again. I think that makes sense. While they wait and see for a better driver to come, they can use his service for a while.

[1] https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/analysis-why-red-bull-decided-to-stick-with-perez-and-what-it-means-for-the.4x5cr9vNNJaH49PEo4nQS7

I think they made that decision based on Tsunoda and Ricciardio as well. They looked at both of the reserve drivers basically, and realized that they are not going to get anything from them, and Perez is by far better than both, which is why they decided that they are going to keep Perez.

It is not directly just related to Perez being good, it's about the fact that there is no other driver they could get which would be better than Perez, this means that Perez is good of course but it also means that others are worse. I believe that they should try to get someone younger for the future, but for the time being they do not need that, some experienced driver that will keep pushing to help Max is what they need at the moment.

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Quote from: moneystery on June 06, 2024, 06:55:09 AM

i've heard the news and it is very nice to see how marquez finally moved to the ducati team after his very good performance at gresini. this might be a turning point in marquez's career, because with only a 2023 motorbike, he was able to be in 3rd position, and i am very optimistic that he can be in 1st position using the latest motorbike from ducati. i am optimistic that he can get his world title in the next session.

Ducati's takeover of Marquez also caused a bit of disappointment for other satellite teams such as Prima Pramac Racing, which is an independent team that has also been a customer of the Ducati manufacturer for a long time. So there are a few rumors circulating that the Prima Pramac Racing team will move to another brand next season, which may be due to the Ducati factory not taking Jorge Martin. Even though Jorge Martin is also a rider who has contributed a lot to the Ducati brand and he is even a rider for the Ducati satellite team which successfully finished runner-up last season.

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So Weather prediction according to Google.

Precipitation for the day in the time of racing.

Friday 55%
Saturday 48%
Sunday 36%

It will be a fun week for sure. Sad that RBR has a free comeback for this track now.

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^ And it's not just that. It looks like Ferrari's upgrades since Imola is finally seeing dividends. I hope it doesn't rain like what coinlocket$ said so we could get to see fair action on this track. I might bet small to win 100 bucks for Leclerc to get pole at qualifying. Grin

This could be the spot before the books adjust and recalibrate their lines.

It's also not just about confidence... It's about momentum too and Ferrari may well carry it out to Canada.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 05, 2024, 08:04:06 AM

Anyway, do you guys have any idea how bumpy the track in Montreal is? Red Bull might not be handling the ground effect as well as they used to me thinks... Leclerc to get the top spot in quali is at 7.00. Worth the risk?

Yeah, I know. This track is quite challenging for cars having shaking problems. Red Bull has been trying to deal with this problem for some time indeed so maybe Verstappen can have another tough race... I hope he struggles too. Tongue

Otherwise there wouldn't be any proper challenge for the win unless Verstappen has a problem with the car like he had during the last laps of Imola GP.

When it comes to Leclerc's qualifying odds, why not give it a try? Grin

He must be more confident of himself after taking the pole and winning the race in Monaco. As long as the car is okay too it is possible.

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Quote from: AprilioMP on June 05, 2024, 09:26:18 PM

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Is it because of the progress he showed this season or because of the Ducati business in attracting sponsors?
In terms of race in several races, Marquez is very good, The Baby Alien seems to return to his heyday when with Honda.
Or lest because of business and to revive rivalry like when Valentino has not retired.

i've heard the news and it is very nice to see how marquez finally moved to the ducati team after his very good performance at gresini. this might be a turning point in marquez's career, because with only a 2023 motorbike, he was able to be in 3rd position, and i am very optimistic that he can be in 1st position using the latest motorbike from ducati. i am optimistic that he can get his world title in the next session.

but there are 4 marquez sponsors who will leave him because of conflicts with ducati sponsors, such as redbull, oakley, allianz, and samsung. although there has been no official statement from them, it is possible that marquez could lose 40 million euros per year if they withdraw from marquez. but whatever it is, marquez's party must have a solution for this and they already understand better.

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Quote from: AprilioMP on June 05, 2024, 09:26:18 PM

I just found out today when opening X to see the latest information in several fields that I interested in including MotoGP.

Breaking News, MM to Partner Pecco in Ducati Lenovo Tim in 2025. That's what I got in the MotoGP account.

Is it because of the progress he showed this season or because of the Ducati business in attracting sponsors?
In terms of race in several races, Marquez is very good, The Baby Alien seems to return to his heyday when with Honda.
Or lest because of business and to revive rivalry like when Valentino has not retired.

This is not seen from just one side, but from several sides, such as the podiums obtained by Marquez in several races this season as well as the marketing appeal that Marquez has which can also have an impact on sponsors who often follow Marquez himself. This caused Audi, VW and Ducati to become interested in recruiting Marquez rather than recruiting Jorge Martin, but Jorge Martin himself also did not suffer a loss because Martin had got an Aprilia factory seat next season even though Martin left disappointed with the Aprilia factory.

Apart from that, the highlight at the moment is Pedro Acosta, who will also be on the factory KTM team next season with his teammate Brad Binder. Because basically KTM really wants to keep their flagship rider to be able to develop so they have no intention of bringing Marquez into their team so that there is no excessive chaos within a team. And now what MotoGP fans are waiting for is the move of teams like Pramac and VR46 to other manufacturers because there have been rumors like that in recent days.

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Quote from: Volgastallion on June 05, 2024, 01:22:03 PM

I come late but, really Red Bull and Sergio Perez are extended their contract for two more years? What this mean?.

Firts of all, mean something? i dont know maybe is the first clue about Verstappen going out?, is Perez gonna be and willing to be the second driver for two more seasons, and when his performances are being poor?. I dont know i dont see a good trade for any, only a little for RB as a team.

Perez's contract, which was extended for 2 more seasons with the RB team, is not only about his performance, but also about the politics and economics of RB itself. As you know, RedBull is not only a team in F1, but also an energy drink brand that is very popular in Mexico. This made the RB team consider that Perez could stay longer on the team because they were worried that replacing Perez would also reduce sales of RedBull drinks in Mexico. And what's more, Perez doesn't really mind being the second driver at RB, since being a driver at the RB team already has quite a good reputation in F1, and his performance isn't bad either - it's just that in the last few races his performance hasn't been that good. However, RB's decision was good enough to keep Perez in the team.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 05, 2024, 12:43:29 PM

So not it is official.

Marques will be Bagnaia team mate from next season, and he will probably beat him. Imho.

I just found out today when opening X to see the latest information in several fields that I interested in including MotoGP.

Breaking News, MM to Partner Pecco in Ducati Lenovo Tim in 2025. That's what I got in the MotoGP account.

Is it because of the progress he showed this season or because of the Ducati business in attracting sponsors?
In terms of race in several races, Marquez is very good, The Baby Alien seems to return to his heyday when with Honda.
Or lest because of business and to revive rivalry like when Valentino has not retired.

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Quote from: Distraction on June 05, 2024, 05:43:28 AM

I also found it on a Facebook group first. But after you asked this I got also curious. Grin

After some research, here is the main source where it was calculated depending on what:

Thanks for sharing the source. Weirdly, Google search failed to detect this. Maybe because the resolution is different and the image was cropped. Looks like the numbers are manually calculated by the chart maker based on internet research if I read it correctly. At least we should be able to compare or verify it if the numbers look a bit odd.

Quote from: Volgastallion on June 05, 2024, 01:22:03 PM

I come late but, really Red Bull and Sergio Perez are extended their contract for two more years? What this mean?.

Well, according to this article, they decided to extend his contract because they believed he still could perform as a second driver and help them win the championship[1]. The writer speculates that the new contract will include a performance clause, which means they can end it sooner if he fails to perform again. I think that makes sense. While they wait and see for a better driver to come, they can use his service for a while.

[1] https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/analysis-why-red-bull-decided-to-stick-with-perez-and-what-it-means-for-the.4x5cr9vNNJaH49PEo4nQS7

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Ocon will definitely find a new team, but I think Haas is only a solution if he doesn't find anything else. Haas is just bad and I don't see how Haas can get out of it now or in the future?

I think the two experienced drivers Hülkenberg and Magnussen get everything they can out of the car in bad or difficult conditions.

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