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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 04, 2020, 04:57:08 AM

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I'm looking forward to the next 2 GP.

Me too,
Marquez's absence , in my opinion makes the race unpredictable in every series. Every racer has the opportunity to get on the podium. This can be seen from the difference between the winners in the previous session. I don't know when Marquez will be back, but I think if he had been in the race, the atmosphere would have been different. Hopefully get well soon and get back on track even though it's already difficult to become a champion this year. Marquez only has fifteen points while in first place Quartararo has seventy-five points. This difference is quite a lot.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 06, 2020, 10:10:18 AM

So was an interesting race after all.

Quote from: LTU_btc on September 06, 2020, 11:12:45 AM

Wow, what a race it was!

Yes, it was a great race, and fantastic to see Hamilton have to fight his way up from so far back. I can't believe after everything that happened to him, Bottas was only just ahead.

It is a shame that this season most of the excitement comes from unexpected 'act of god' events such as safety cars and technical errors by the team. What we should be seeing is excitement from wheel-to-wheel racing from drivers in similarly matched cars. That is the dream for 2022.

But today, yes, it was good. And I'm very happy for Gasly

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Wow, what a race it was! So, after all, Italian GP was won by Italian team. Ofcourse, it's big luck factor involved which let Alpha Tauri to win, but Gasly really defended his position against Sainz very well.
It's not usual to see Mercedes making mistakes like they did today, but I can justify them. It's not really often situation when pits are closed due to accident near to entrance to it and Mercedes had to react very fast to make pit stop. And after all, Hamilton losses were minimal, he recovered very well after penalty. Bottas outscored him just by 3 points, while Verstappen didn't finnished at all. And Bottas had terrible race today, he wasn't able to do anything against Mclaren. I doubt it's because of absence of party mode because Lewis was fast as usual.
It was last race for Williams team under family management - end of long and historic era, it was emotional moment.
And do you guys think it's possible that Red Bull will swap Gasly and Albon this season?

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So was an interesting race after all.

One side of the party mode, they should do something to introduce it back.

Imagine a track harder than Monza with overtakes and no party mode if even Mercedes got problems today with overtakes what it will be?

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From the F1 twitter account:

All drivers have pitted, except for Lance Stroll

However, under the red flag, his team is allowed to change his tyres, meaning he will not need to stop after the restart

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Why Hamilton didn't got a black flag?

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Under exceptional circumstances the race director may ask for the pit entry to be closed during
the race for safety reasons. At such times drivers may only enter the pit lane in order for
essential and entirely evident repairs to be carried out to the car. A penalty under Article 38.3(d)
will be imposed on any driver who, in the opinion of the stewards, entered the pit lane for any
other reason whilst it was closed.

38.3d

A ten second stop-and-go time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop in his pit
stop position for at least ten seconds and then re-join the race

FROM THE OFFICIAL REGULATION HERE: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/2020_formula_1_sporting_regulations_-_iss_11_-_2020-08-25.pdf

Correct decision.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 06, 2020, 08:59:53 AM

Desaster for Ferrari double out, Hamilton with a stop and go punishment for hamilton. Wa have today a not Mercedes victory? First points this years for Kimi? He make bis stop befor all others and have a good position for the restart?!

It will be an interesting second halve of the race.

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Desaster for Ferrari double out, Hamilton with a stop and go punishment for hamilton. Wa have today a not Mercedes victory? First points this years for Kimi? He make bis stop befor all others and have a good position for the restart?!

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I expected Renault to so a lot better in the qualifications.

Let's wait what the race brings. I dont expect a podium with HAM, BOT and VER. Red Bull is just too slow for this circuit.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 05, 2020, 02:12:58 PM

It will be another boring week dominated by Mercedes, nobody can compete.
No rain, temperature around 25°C so tires can't be destroyed, they already won.

Yes, this does look likely. And even within the Mercedes team... once again, if Hamilton gets through the first few corners in the lead, he wins the race. Bottas isn't willing to challenge in the way that Rosberg used to.

I would add that this is the first race where qualifying 'party mode' had been banned, and the Mercs had a huge advantage in qualifying... but this was expected anyway at this track, so may not be of much impact at the moment. Mercedes do seem very confident though and are saying no 'party mode' means they can run the cars in a more powerful mode all the time now. If true, this will just increase their already huge advantage.

Quote from: tokeweed on September 05, 2020, 09:38:09 AM

^ Their car obv sucks. And not enough development can be done on it to improve their performance with the season shortened and all.

It's gonna be a tougher season for them next year as they'll be back on the drawing board. All those years of development wasted... Vettel was supposed to win a championship with them by now.

And next season with limited development will be tough, too. As for Vettel... I think the last few years have shown that he's not really that great a driver. Even when Ferrari were briefly better than Mercedes, he still couldn't challenge them properly. It's starting to look like those 4 championships flatter him somewhat, with his talent being purely to be in the right place at the right time - Red Bull from 2010.

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It will be another boring week dominated by Mercedes, nobody can compete.
No rain, temperature around 25°C so tires can't be destroyed, they already won.

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^ Their car obv sucks. And not enough development can be done on it to improve their performance with the season shortened and all.

It's gonna be a tougher season for them next year as they'll be back on the drawing board. All those years of development wasted... Vettel was supposed to win a championship with them by now.

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Quote from: boltz on September 05, 2020, 08:24:59 AM

Vettel already out in 1st Q of the session and I saw him very angry trowing a piece from the wheel on the floor and cursing on the team radio of why did Alfa's get in front of them just before the last lap of the session. This is the most stressed season I have ever seen for a pilot of Ferrari ...I mean, no one had this in his last year with Ferrari or other teams.

Yes Vettel out, but i'm happy for Kimi. Ocon block him all time at the last fast lap. But why do the racing engineers let the drivers out in such a bunch?? No one can make a fast time!?

No Ferrari powered car at Q3 Shocked

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Vettel already out in 1st Q of the session and I saw him very angry trowing a piece from the wheel on the floor and cursing on the team radio of why did Alfa's get in front of them just before the last lap of the session. This is the most stressed season I have ever seen for a pilot of Ferrari ...I mean, no one had this in his last year with Ferrari or other teams.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on September 04, 2020, 06:07:55 PM

But next race will be held in Mugello, not in Monza. Any way, yeah, now it shows rain, but forecast may change, there is still a lot time until the race. I just remind that few days before Belgium GP there was 90% chance of rain.

yeah you right sorry but anyway, Mugello si close to Monza not so far away so the weather can be the same.

Source: https://www.ilmeteo.it/meteo/Mugello

Anyway about F1 Today, not so sure about Mercedes pole position without party mode after all.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 04, 2020, 04:57:08 AM

Ferrari have updates, smaller wings and a little bit changes at the aerodynamic, but i think all team have this.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/news-258076-formel-1-technik-special-ferrari-erklaert-monza-paket/

But only in German.

yeah, but they are not going to spend a lot of money while the major problem is the not upgradable engine with 100 fewer horsepower.

They will test some things for next year or even skip next year for the postponed revolution of 2022.

Source: https://sport.sky.it/formula-1/2020/09/04/formula-1-monza-italia-2020-diretta-prove-libere

The fun GP can be next week in Monza with probable rain.

@coinlocket$ you’re correct as Ferrari chairman John Elkann too has confirmed this, that Ferrari is planning major updates that which will take place in 2022, and till then they’ll continue to struggle. Also with this confirmation we can safely bet on Mercedes to win the championship again, because Ferrari has surrendered the 2020 season, and the 2021 season even before it has began.

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You’d think the only way from here would be up, but no - Ferrari is expecting the situation to continue for the foreseeable. Its ‘065’ car has fundamental issues, and a chassis freeze for 2020 and 2021 plus spending caps for next year means it won’t be possible to address the problems. Like some other teams, Ferrari is instead pinning its hopes on the drastic rule changes, now coming into force for 2022 instead of 2021 thanks to Covid-19.

He added: “Today we are laying the foundations for being competitive and returning to winning when the rules change in 2022. I am convinced of this”. So, we probably won’t be seeing either of the Scuderia’s drivers on the top step of the podium this year or next.

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https://www.carthrottle.com/post/ferrari-doesnt-think-it-can-win-again-until-2022/

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 04, 2020, 03:56:56 PM

The fun GP can be next week in Monza with probable rain.

But next race will be held in Mugello, not in Monza. Any way, yeah, now it shows rain, but forecast may change, there is still a lot time until the race. I just remind that few days before Belgium GP there was 90% chance of rain.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 04, 2020, 04:57:08 AM

Ferrari have updates, smaller wings and a little bit changes at the aerodynamic, but i think all team have this.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/news-258076-formel-1-technik-special-ferrari-erklaert-monza-paket/

But only in German.

yeah, but they are not going to spend a lot of money while the major problem is the not upgradable engine with 100 fewer horsepower.

They will test some things for next year or even skip next year for the postponed revolution of 2022.

FP2 today,

Source: https://sport.sky.it/formula-1/2020/09/04/formula-1-monza-italia-2020-diretta-prove-libere

The fun GP can be next week in Monza with probable rain.

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Quote from: AakZaki on September 03, 2020, 01:57:13 PM

Quote from: Koal-84 on September 02, 2020, 04:53:34 AM

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We well see at Misano but i think Suzuki also the Inline motor have also a very good handling and the engine is a litle bit stronger than Yamaha, and also have 2 good drivers. I don't count on Ducati but this year is all possible.

Although this circuit is a stop and go, I predict ducati because they are in their own home. Apart from that, Francesco Bagnaia did not experience the problems experienced by Dovizioso when cornering. Just look at the Andalusian MotoGP, Bagnaia, whose driving style relies on cornering speed, looks good. Bagnaia did not feel any motor problems when cornering, unfortunately she failed to enter the podium because Desmocini Gp was damaged. Although Bagnaia is not the same team as Dovizioso, I think it is a ducati manufacturer.

Maybe but Ducati is at slower tracks where engine performance is not critical not so strong, but we will see. At Bagnaia i hope for him he becomes the chance for the factory team, and yes he is or looks a little bit stronger.

I'm looking forward to the next 2 GP.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 03, 2020, 04:35:01 AM

I think Ferrari will suffer a heavy humiliation in their home race this year.Their car speed is really ridiculous and in a track where the engine power is king I think all other cars will have a big advantage over Ferrari.One thing is sure I would never want to be in Vettel or Leclerc place for this race.

I agree with you, it will be hard to watch, but they have to try to get as much as they possibly can from this one. At least show some fighting spirit, put up a fight, try some alternative strategy and mix it up during the race. Fans already know this season is gone down the drain, but would appreciate to see some fighting spirit at least.

Ferrari has this year the luck, Monza without fans Grin

Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 03, 2020, 04:07:58 PM

double GP in Monza, Ferrari will probably not upgrade the car anymore IMHO.

1st week GP should be a sunny week

2nd week GP should be a rainy week

1st GP without party mode but it will be dominated by Mercedes in the race, a different thing can be the qualify with Verstappen.

Ferrari have updates, smaller wings and a little bit changes at the aerodynamic, but i think all team have this.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/news-258076-formel-1-technik-special-ferrari-erklaert-monza-paket/

But only in German.

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double GP in Monza, Ferrari will probably not upgrade the car anymore IMHO.

1st week GP should be a sunny week

2nd week GP should be a rainy week

1st GP without party mode but it will be dominated by Mercedes in the race, a different thing can be the qualify with Verstappen.

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