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I'm surprised you woke up to see the race, despite it being clear Vettel won't be able to catch up and Hamilton is now the champion, even though he'll be a given the trophy later. In my personal opinion Vettel had seemed to give up from last few races, as the huge lead Hamilton has over him definitely messed up with his mind. I'm not seeing the next few races in full, will watch it in parts as the champion is already decided.

Japan GP was really boring and I regret that I wake up so early to watch it. Hamilton won race easily and his advantage against Vettel is huge already. I think it will be not very interesting to watch upcoming few races when we already know who will become champion.
I only don't understand why Verstappen didn't got penalty after collision with Vettel. He closed doors and didn't left enough place for Vettel, IMO he had to get time penalty.

They will not take the risk of Sebastian closing in on Lewis's points because the lead is not big enough. Also, some of these formula 1 drivers are spoiled prima donnas. If they do not get what they want, they will threaten to leave or talk to the news media on how unhappy they are of their team.

Toto Wolff was smart to give the team order hehehehe.

Yeah, team orders isn't a new thing in F1. And I agree that it wasn't really needed today. Lewis already had big advantage against Vettel in drivers championship and it wasn't crucial race today. He probably would win championship even by finishing in 2nd position today, the gap between him and Seb is too big when only 5 races left. Now these team orders just left salty taste in mouth for most of us after race.

It is never beautiful to see an overtake that has come from a team order but if I go back in time I see Ferrari has used it much more often than Mercedes has so I only feel sorry for Valteri today.

I think Totto Wolf could have done well even if he did not give a team order because Lewis is in a comfortable position and he will win the Championship for sure. The few remaining race tracks favour Mercedes more than Ferrari so I think Totto Wolf could have done well even without a team order which I am sure have upset many persons today.

Bottas had great start, he was leading the race, but then Totto Wolf told him to pass Lewis. These team orders ruined this race. And now we can say that Lewis is champion of 2018 season. The fight for title ended.
And I think that Ferarri had good strategy today. They overtook Hamilton by making earlier pit stop, but later Lewis just been faster on the track.
And amazing performance by Verstappen on his birthday - from P19 to P5. He gained so many positions just in few laps!

It'll be interesting to see if Bottas can go on to win the race, considering team Mercedes will be more keen to see Hamilton win it, I don't expect Ferrari to win this race too, it seems Mercedes are now going to dominate spot 1 and spot 2, I'm really looking to see the strategy adopted by team Ferrari to counter them. I do hope Vettle offers some competition other wise it'll be a one sided race only.

mercedes team can easy to win in rusian granprix
and i think lewis hamilton can win in rusian granprix
batle not competitive because only two team ferari and mecedes batle in race

@swogerino. For some time? Are you implying that he has been treated badly for years now? I reckon it only started in the middle of the season of 2017 and then more so on this season. But he was not openly treated badly.

@slocker. Sebastian's championship battle is finished, I reckon. They have made many strategic mistakes, some of it driver mistakes, and wasted their good start of the season.

On this race, we should watch Charles Leclerc versus Esteban Ocon, 2 young drivers and with Max not very far behind hehehe. I predict Max will overtake both and finish in the top 5.

Bottas made pole. This race will be in Mercedes power. Expect to see first two places for them in tomorrow race.

Russian Grand Prix - Qualifying Results

1. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport 1m31.528s
2. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport + 0.145s
3. Sebastian Vettel GER Scuderia Ferrari + 0.556s
4. Kimi Raikkonen FIN Scuderia Ferrari + 0.850s
5. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas F1 Team + 1.794s
6. Esteban Ocon FRA Racing Point Force India F1 Team + 2.026s
7. Charles Leclerc MON Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team + 2.032s
8. Sergio Perez MEX Racing Point Force India F1 Team + 2.176s
9. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas F1 Team + 2.317s
10. Marcus Ericsson SWE Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team + 3.809s

-- ELIMINATED IN Q2 --
11. Max Verstappen NED Aston Martin Red Bull Racing no time
12. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Aston Martin Red Bull Racing no time
13. Pierre Gasly  FRA Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda no time
14. Carlos Sainz Jr. ESP Renault Sport Formula One Team no time
15. Nico Hulkenberg GER Renault Sport Formula One Team no time

-- ELIMINATED IN Q1 --
16. Brendon Hartley NZL Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda 1m35.037s
17. Fernando Alonso ESP McLaren F1 Team 1m35.504s
18. Sergey Sirotkin RUS Williams Martini Racing 1m35.612s
19. Stoffel Vandoorne BEL McLaren F1 Team 1m35.977s
20. Lance Stroll CAN Williams Martini Racing 1m36.437s

He has not been treated like no 1 from some time now. In the incidents between the team , the team have always sided by Max Verstappen and I think rightly so. The reason is that no one can deny that max is a very young and very talented driver and Red Bull sees him as their future. Even when they will make the car for next year it will be made based on Max advice and not that of Ricciardo.

This might be one of the reasons why Daniel Ricciardo left Redbull hehehe. The team is marketing Max, not Daniel.



His position as the no. 1 driver is clearly threatened by Max, or he might not be treated as the no. 1 anymore. I reckon it is more possible that he is beginning to see that he is not being treated like the no. 1 driver anymore.

Result maybe as expected in motogp, and i agree how its much better motogp then f1, more action is in motogp by my opinion.

Race results from the 2018 Aragon MotoGP, round 14 of 19.

1. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 41m 55.949s
2. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (GP18) 41m 56.597s
3. Andrea Iannone ITA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 41m 57.208s
4. Alex Rins ESP Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 41m 58.587s
5. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 42m 1.223s
6. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 42m 5.345s
7. Danilo Petrucci ITA Pramac Ducati (GP18) 42m 10.234s
8. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 42m 11.148s
9. Jack Miller AUS Pramac Ducati (GP17) 42m 12.324s
10. Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 42m 18.406s
11. Franco Morbidelli ITA EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 42m 22.974s
12. Takaaki Nakagami JPN LCR Honda (RC213V)* 42m 23.906s
13. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 42m 24.770s
14. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1) 42m 28.294s
15. Karel Abraham CZE Angel Nieto Team (GP16) 42m 33.588s
16. Scott Redding GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 42m 35.534s
17. Thomas Luthi SWI EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 42m 36.712s
18. Hafizh Syahrin MAL Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1)* 42m 52.245s
19. Xavier Simeon ESP Reale Avintia (GP17)* 42m 54.930s
20. Jordi Torres SPA Reale Avintia (GP16) 42m 55.462s
Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) DNF
Alvaro Bautista ESP Angel Nieto Team (GP17) DNF
Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (GP18) DNF

While F1 is more boring than MotoGP in terms of overtakes after 1 hour it starts the race of Aragon. It is a good thing for competition that the 2 Ducati-s are in front row together. Marquez being third is another bonus and is a guaranteed thing that we will see a lot of action and overtaking during this race today.

What F1 needs to change is the way cars are made, in early days in the 90 we have seen a lot of action because the driver was making a difference, now the car is making one and has become boring.

I partially disagree here Schumacher era was not boring, I have always been thrilled to see him race week after week and win it. I'll agree with you he had little or no competition boils down to the fact that other cars barely made any significant investments, politics connections also played a role. While this season technically would be boring in your words as Hamilton has won it all, barring few races. I really wish Ferrari sign Hamilton to get their glory days back.

very dificult if ferari can get lewis hamilton
i think is not not competitive in season 2019 if ferari driver hamilton and vettel
is good if ferari get vestapen or Daniel Ricciardo

The era of Michael Schumacher was the most boring era to watch F1 races during that time. Every thing was pro Ferrari at that time and it was easy for Schumacher to win without any real rivalry. In the year 2005-2006 where F.Alonso showed some real rivalry and Renault at that time did big improvements, it was the time when F1 was good to watch again on TV. That was also the end of the era of M.Schumacher and Ferrari as they only won once more with Raikkonen in 2007 but not because of Raikkonen bravery rather because Hamilton and Alonso were fighting each other more than the others.

Nowadays the F1 is not as boring as in the Schumacher era to watch but still it is a bit more boring compared to MotoGP, but that has always been the case. At least the F1 Championship is still open , with Hamilton having more chances to win it. Last race on Singapore was a beautiful one to watch.

Yes i know on this but they didnt made mistakes like they make them now. My point was on that. Shame to see but this is how thing are working in moto sport world sadly. Also McLaren was good team one of the best in that 2000 era but but cals made them struggle for some point at least one in race, shame for them.

@slocker. I reckon that time during Michael Schumacher, Ferrari rebuilt their team then, from year 2000, had the engine advantage, the technical advantage, the financial advantage and the political advantage. Yes, formula 1 is full of politics that include proposing rules that would give a team the advantage for a whole season.

Also, they had Ross Brawn as their technical director.

Sorry to mentioning something but dont remember that Ferrari made this mistakes when Schumacher was driving for them. Correct me if Im wrong on this but seem like they lose the edge or they are playing on card of fame from past years.