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That was a boring race yesterday. I think it came because of the early safety car. They had to take the pitstop too early so the rest of the race they just had to save tyres.

Yes, that didn't help. But I think as soon as Hamilton got through the first few corners on the opening lap, it was pretty much guaranteed that he'd win. Bottas can't compete because he's not good enough, Verstappen can't compete because his car's not good enough. Drivers and constructors championships are as good as over already. Still, we can't take anything away from Hamilton, he's a top driver performing at the top of his ability.
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FIA cannot control if teammates are going to fight or not.
If you want to stop this - that teammates protect each other in races then teams should have only one driver in the circuit.
Mercedes is the team that invest money to their car and this is why they are able to win the races.

This is not always the case.Only this year Ferrari did not invest because they thought the Championship would be very short because of the pandemic.In previous years all teams have invested money into their cars but it looks like Mercedes has a better research and development team and also has better know how compared to other teams.
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That was a boring race yesterday. I think it came because of the early safety car. They had to take the pitstop too early so the rest of the race they just had to save tyres.

That accident looked horrible. It took a while before we saw in the replay what actually happened.
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FIA cannot control if teammates are going to fight or not.
If you want to stop this - that teammates protect each other in races then teams should have only one driver in the circuit.
Mercedes is the team that invest money to their car and this is why they are able to win the races.
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They have to change something here soon. They have lost fans,,, me included. Teammates should be able to fight each other, in fact, they should only be allowed to let each other win one time or two times a season,,, otherwise it disgusts people like me sorry to say. F1 has become a joke that we could never imagine happen before. What sad times:(

Yeah.
They also delayed the revolution for COVID, it was supposed to happen next year but now it will happen in 2022.

We got too much direction into Mercedes way during this year and now this is the results,

Are they better? Probably
Are they 1st only for their skill? Probably not, too many grey lines crossed without any consequence.
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It was such boring race today. There was zero action between TOP 3 drivers today. Mercedes didn't even allowed for Bottas to race with Lewis today. Don't know what to say about Ferrari, but I never expected that such times when they will fight with bottom teams like Haas or Alfa Romeo will come one day. It was great race for Renault - P4 and P5 + 1 point for Ricciardo for fastest lap. And now Renault almost reached Ferrari in construcors championship.

Yep yep yep.

The secret deal between Ferrari and Fia destroyed Formula 1. Till last year it was fun.
Now they are trying to "damaging" the Mercedes with the party mode but the damage it will irreversible.

Need to hope for the rain but again Mercedes even with the already banned but usablRoll Eyes DAS is in advantage since they can heat up tires faster than others.

They have to change something here soon. They have lost fans,,, me included. Teammates should be able to fight each other, in fact, they should only be allowed to let each other win one time or two times a season,,, otherwise it disgusts people like me sorry to say. F1 has become a joke that we could never imagine happen before. What sad times:(
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It was such boring race today. There was zero action between TOP 3 drivers today. Mercedes didn't even allowed for Bottas to race with Lewis today. Don't know what to say about Ferrari, but I never expected that such times when they will fight with bottom teams like Haas or Alfa Romeo will come one day. It was great race for Renault - P4 and P5 + 1 point for Ricciardo for fastest lap. And now Renault almost reached Ferrari in construcors championship.

Yep yep yep.

The secret deal between Ferrari and Fia destroyed Formula 1. Till last year it was fun.
Now they are trying to "damaging" the Mercedes with the party mode but the damage it will irreversible.

Need to hope for the rain but again Mercedes even with the already banned but usable  Roll Eyes DAS is in advantage since they can heat up tires faster than others.

@LTU_btc I was not surprised to see yesterday’s dull race, because Ferrari has lost it’s mojo to compete with Mercedes, and this season if they finish in the top 5 then it’ll be a big achievement for them. Also I feel here that it’s more about the winning mentality that Mercedes have instilled in Hamilton, and that’s something Ferrari has been unable to instil in it’s driver’s, and that’s why their drivers are performing poorly in comparison to Mercedes driver’s.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-5454689/Lewis-Hamilton-compares-winning-mentality-Roger-Federer.html
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It was such boring race today. There was zero action between TOP 3 drivers today. Mercedes didn't even allowed for Bottas to race with Lewis today. Don't know what to say about Ferrari, but I never expected that such times when they will fight with bottom teams like Haas or Alfa Romeo will come one day. It was great race for Renault - P4 and P5 + 1 point for Ricciardo for fastest lap. And now Renault almost reached Ferrari in construcors championship.

Yep yep yep.

The secret deal between Ferrari and Fia destroyed Formula 1. Till last year it was fun.
Now they are trying to "damaging" the Mercedes with the party mode but the damage it will irreversible.

Need to hope for the rain but again Mercedes even with the already banned but usablRoll Eyes DAS is in advantage since they can heat up tires faster than others.
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It was such boring race today. There was zero action between TOP 3 drivers today. Mercedes didn't even allowed for Bottas to race with Lewis today. Don't know what to say about Ferrari, but I never expected that such times when they will fight with bottom teams like Haas or Alfa Romeo will come one day. It was great race for Renault - P4 and P5 + 1 point for Ricciardo for fastest lap. And now Renault almost reached Ferrari in construcors championship.
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Another easy win for Mercedes, another fail for Ferrari but hey they are probably saving money for 2021 or even 2022 since they can't touch the engine right now...

We need to hope for the weather now to be able to watch some fun races or it will be boring.
We are going in to fall after the summer and this can be a possibility since a lot of races are in Europe.
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The problem is the deal with the FIA.
Ferrari engine lost around 50hp because of it.

Ferrari did a new engine and because of the new rules they can't touch it till the end of the season.

Meanwhile, Mercedes is using what Ferrari was using last year and they increased their power around 40hp

-50-40=-90

Ferrari engine has now 90hp less than Mercedes and they can't touch the engine till next year.

Why Mercedes can use it and it has been banned of Ferrari? Well, Mercedes can do everything.


It is damn politics that are hurting this sport so much, but Ferrari should be louder and press them more. It was really painful to watch the training sessions and qualies with Ferrari limping around. It's incredible how much politics managed to cripple them. They are more then a second slower then they were is Spa last year, that says it all.

Hope that it will be rain and dry periods tomorrow during the race so we have a thriller race and hopefully Ferrari can get lucky a bit and Merc unlucky.
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Last qualifying with "Party mod" but it looks like a Q3 without any Ferrari powerd engine. Ferrari so worst this years, chassis and engine.

The problem is the deal with the FIA.
Ferrari engine lost around 50hp because of it.

Ferrari did a new engine and because of the new rules they can't touch it till the end of the season.

Meanwhile, Mercedes is using what Ferrari was using last year and they increased their power around 40hp

-50-40=-90

Ferrari engine has now 90hp less than Mercedes and they can't touch the engine till next year.

Why Mercedes can use it and it has been banned of Ferrari? Well, Mercedes can do everything.
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Today I expected a bigger gap between Mercedes and the others on such big track. I am excited to the race tomorrow.

The gap from Bottas in second to Verstappen in third (and even Ricciardo in fourth) was small, yes. The problem is, Hamilton was more than half a second ahead of Bottas again.
For the race, you'd imagine if Hamilton gets an okay start and gets into the first corner in the lead, then he's all but won. Barring safety cars or some other anomaly.

This race has a lot of unforeseen things happening,at least this was the case during last years.However seeing that Hamilton had 5 and with today pole six pole positions at this track it will be difficult for him not to win this.I know this is boring to watch on Tv but on the other hand looks like a sure win if we bet on Hamilton to win which at minimum should be with an odd of 1.40 or may be more.
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Today I expected a bigger gap between Mercedes and the others on such big track. I am excited to the race tomorrow.

The gap from Bottas in second to Verstappen in third (and even Ricciardo in fourth) was small, yes. The problem is, Hamilton was more than half a second ahead of Bottas again.
For the race, you'd imagine if Hamilton gets an okay start and gets into the first corner in the lead, then he's all but won. Barring safety cars or some other anomaly.
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Last qualifying with "Party mod" but it looks like a Q3 without any Ferrari powerd engine. Ferrari so worst this years, chassis and engine.

Wondering what happens without the party mode.  Guess it won't be Mercedes only anymore  at pole.

Today I expected a bigger gap between Mercedes and the others on such big track. I am excited to the race tomorrow.
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Last qualifying with "Party mod" but it looks like a Q3 without any Ferrari powerd engine. Ferrari so worst this years, chassis and engine.
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Well, Bahrain outer track doesn"t looks very interesting, though original layout isn't most exciting track on calendar. Just few corners, interesting how many DRS zones there will be. Considering how short this track is, wouldn't be surprised if Mercedes will win by 3-4 laps. There you can watch on board simulation video on this track configuration:
https://youtu.be/a22zH6LcXlU

Found interesting comparison between 2019 and 2020 Spa lap times, no need to say anything about Ferrari.
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looks good with a few more races this years, but it will not change the Mercedes dominante.

I agree. The only time Mercedes looked weak was when three factors combined: a) very hot weather, b) demanding circuit, c) only softer tyres available.

Given that we are now heading out of the European summer, that takes one of those factors out immediately. The only hope for other teams is that the upcoming restriction on engine modes hits Mercedes hard... but you'd still see them winning everything really.

This track of this weekend is very demanding in Belgium and another factor which can limit Mercedes dominance is the fact that the drivers may make errors during this race and here almost any race we have seen the Safety Car happening so there are few options here for other teams to take profit but still can’t fight Mercedes dominance for the rest of the year.
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looks good with a few more races this years, but it will not change the Mercedes dominante.

I agree. The only time Mercedes looked weak was when three factors combined: a) very hot weather, b) demanding circuit, c) only softer tyres available.

Given that we are now heading out of the European summer, that takes one of those factors out immediately. The only hope for other teams is that the upcoming restriction on engine modes hits Mercedes hard... but you'd still see them winning everything really.
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Source: https://www.oasport.it/2020/08/diretta-f1-gp-belgio-live-risultati-classifica-spa-ferrari-vettel-leclerc-verstappen/

FP2 of SPA.

Timers are still slow, the pole was 1.41 ish, this year they maybe go under 1.40 these cars are a beast and this should be the last GP with the party mode where records are destroyed one after one.

Sad to see Ferrari so behind but after the Fia agreement they have around 80-100 hp less than Mercedes and for the regulation, they can't improve the engine, so...
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